Let's Kill Hitler (3208)

[Spimman]

Amazing episode, I can't believe how many things were tied up and set in motion during this episode. It's the kind of thing I always hope for but rarely see happen.

However - why would someone wanting to contact/meet the Doctor study archaeology?

Sounds like a pretty good way for a genius mind like River or the Doctor to find a fellow time traveler when events are solved, or slight references are made.

So, do we think the Silence (species from the beginning of Series 6) are the same Silence as mentioned in this episode? A religious cult?

I would guess The Species from Season 6 is are of The Silence who we now know to be a religious order\cult. Whether they are members as a whole just just in part has yet to be revealed.

4) Humans...never got Time Travel technology. Period. That was the whole point of the "Year that never was" arc. Incongruity annoys me when its like this.

1) Are we 100% sure about this or did they just never develop time travel that equaled the capabilities of the TARDIS?
2) Are we sure those people were "human"

[stargatefan234]

5) If the TARDIS could mind-meld and talk to people, as she did with River....what the hell (censoring myself) is the reason for it not doing so with the Doctor, if for no reason other than to teach him how to park.

Because only River was conceived in the TARDIS and no-one else was.

and theres a difference between "talking" and "imparting imformation". also, The Impossible Astronaut / The Day of the Moon imply the doctor may know more about his TARDIS than he lets on, ie the scanner working when cloaked

[Alan]

1) Are we 100% sure about this or did they just never develop time travel that equaled the capabilities of the TARDIS?
2) Are we sure those people were "human"

1) Humans have time travel technology in the 51st century. Its just not as comfortable as TARDIS travel as explained back in the 2007 story Utopia and demonstrated in the story The Sound of Drums.
2) True, they might not have been human. But even if they were, humans have time travel technology and, as I say above, the human race has developed an uncomfortable form of it by the 51st century so they could have been from that century or after it.

[stargatefan234]

1) Humans have time travel technology in the 51st century. Its just not as comfortable as TARDIS travel as explained back in the 2007 story Utopia and demonstrated in the story The Sound of Drums.
2) True, they might not have been human. But even if they were, humans have time travel technology and, as I say above, the human race has developed an uncomfortable form of it by the 51st century so they could have been from that century or after it.

also, humanity has interbred so much by the 51st century, all "humans" are infact "near-humans"

[Sealurk]

a few problems:

1) Wait, so we only get one episode of River being evil? I call BS on that one. Seriously. the ENTIRE river-kills-doctor threat (with alex kingston anyway) was resolved in one episode? That seriously pisses me off.

You know what, I agree with that - while I'm grateful for the resolution to some major plot threads that have been dangling for a while, psycho!River was great fun to watch and I wish we could see more. Then again, maybe Rory's unanswered question about whether all that stuff is gone out of her head now is a hint that River might have some kind of relapse. I can't imagine all that conditioning just deleted itself that "easily".

2) Childhood Amy is more important to the Doctor, and liked more, Than IDRIS/the TARDIS itself? Really Moffat? I know you've got a thing for red-headed strippers, but...c'mon.

Maybe it's as simple as Suranne Jones being unavailable for filming. Maybe it's because the Doctor needs the image of an innocent ("somebody I haven't screwed up yet"), not just a long time friend (he turned down Rose, Martha and Donna because of the guilt associated with them, what's to say he doesn't have similar or even worse issues regarding the TARDIS due to stealing her, possibly fancying a machine etc).

3) Why doesn't Rory have a Sonic Cane?

Because the world can't handle that much awesome.

3b) Rory knows how to use the Sonic, as demonstrated in the previous episode. Why is he inept at it now?

Wait - when was he inept? He told Amy how to use it - "psychic interface, just point-and-think" - in exactly the manner of somebody who knows how to use a sonic screwdriver.

4) Humans...never got Time Travel technology. Period. That was the whole point of the "Year that never was" arc. Incongruity annoys me when its like this.

Uh...what? 51st century, time agency, Jack Harkness, vortex manipulators, Dorium and his 'fresh off the wrist...I said off the wrist' lines in The Pandorica Opens (which is most definitely after the year that never was)...all of that still happens/happened as far as I can tell, and I don't remember any such comment about the year that never was being related to human time travel.

5) If the TARDIS could mind-meld and talk to people, as she did with River....what the hell (censoring myself) is the reason for it not doing so with the Doctor, if for no reason other than to teach him how to park.

I think it has to do with River saying she's the 'child of the TARDIS'. I think that means she has a link to the TARDIS above and beyond even the Doctor's, possibly that she may even be part TARDIS, who knows? I think it's going to be another future development, and story wise, I'd say it's an absolute one off brought about purely by the circumstances of River's conception, not a regular but unused feature.

6) The question is obviously "what is your name?", just as clearly as river=amy's daughter was.

Yeah, I think it's likely to be some variation on that, but I wouldn't want to lay money on it.

[Carter1994]

Because the world can't handle that much awesome.

Indeed.

Also, I find it interesting that the poison Melody/River used was from the "Judas" plant.

[jameshawking]

General responses:

1) Yeah, I screwed up and forgot about jack. You can kill me now. (btw, why is Jack now almost explicitly gay D: !? )

2) Screwed up on Rory, too. -facepalm- I need to watch these things more than 2 times, it seems.

3) "child of the TARDIS" doesn't really fly with me, for one reason.

The Doctor regenerated how many times in the TARDIS? It's even been shown to have a direct boost in his recovery time. So, being conceived on the TARDIS (which isn't even why she's epic, it's just the foundation) would, in my view, be less important than being reconstituted numerous times and the TARDIS having an explicit impact on it.

4) Why do I have horrible nightmares about Sonic Screwdrivers being as copious in DW as Keyblades now are in kingdom hearts? First it was the Dr, then Master (laser, though), and now every current companion knows how to use it and there are several of them (at least two)

4a) Fan-wanking wish: Rory getting into a fight and fighting with the sonic-cane.

5) A.K. shouldn't be going back to psychopath. We see her becoming an archaeologist so she can find him (granted, could be evil as well, but considering this was immediately after saving his life and burning her entire life up in doing so...). She fully can be, I realize, but I do doubt it. I imagine a bunch of "substitute river" characters, like Mel.

[Ian-S]

hmm, what can I say that hasn't already been covered.... hmmm not much.

Well, I found myself wondering off halfway through to make a cup of tea, which is very unlike me, imho the story is now getting far too complicated to follow, especially for the younger side of the audience that it's mainly aimed at, it needs to be wrapped up asap as A.K. isn't getting any younger

Although I was enjoying the storyline, I'm not anymore.

[SGalisa]

Not here. When I checked the BBCA "full" schedule (not the actual TV channel), it was showing reruns of previous eps. That was all day yesterday into midnight.

So, since we were having a hurricane, and I was sick from migraines and nausea (bad ginger ale did the final deed), I never turned the Tv on, and just went straight to my pillow. Never bothered recording (DVR) because I didn't know what time to record.

Anywho.. just found out from the BBCA, the following info----
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(that's Monday pm night at midnight into Tuesday am)

nah, I don't think I'll stay up that late, but will see if we can DVR it to watch later in the week (next Sunday, instead, maybe).

well, i know on BBCA that I watched sat night, i saw the best of the companions special, and this eps, and there was another dr who special last saturday

again, we've been screwed. no DW here. Time has changed again to Tuesday into Wednesday now.
No repeats on same Sat night before the next ep, either. Just BSG until next ep of DW starts. I give up.
Our DVR won't record if the codes are wrong either. No DW listed for tonight.
Top Gear did look interesting, tho.

[Lahela]

hmm, what can I say that hasn't already been covered.... hmmm not much.

Well, I found myself wondering off halfway through to make a cup of tea, which is very unlike me, imho the story is now getting far too complicated to follow, especially for the younger side of the audience that it's mainly aimed at, it needs to be wrapped up asap as A.K. isn't getting any younger

Although I was enjoying the storyline, I'm not anymore.

I find myself asking my 13yo to remind me about things... he's become a better Whovian than me!

As to the wibbly wobbly timey wimey... theories busted again... my head hurts.

[mi_guard]

how comes that River doesn't get poisoned with the poison she has on her lips?

[Lahela]

how comes that River doesn't get poisoned with the poison she has on her lips?

I always think of Get Smart... rubber lips.

[Coco Pops]

how comes that River doesn't get poisoned with the poison she has on her lips?

She's used them before too.... So that's not out of the question

[Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble]

The only bit I don't get with the timeine is how River was a little kid in both 1969 and 1980s. She must have time traveled as a kid.

[Lahela]

The only bit I don't get with the timeine is how River was a little kid in both 1969 and 1980s. She must have time traveled as a kid.

I got the impression (from her comment about making herself a bit younger) that she could control her aging.