A Good Man Goes To War (3207)

[rosey_angel]

Something really confuses me, actually, about the Doctor in this Episode.

9 said that the thought of the Doctor doing something without a plan was terrifying, even for Daleks.
10 scared off the Vashta Nerada with his name and even had his weapon-status explained and expositioned to death when fighting Davros again.
11 even used his fearsome reputation and abilities not only to scare off the Atraxi, but also to, he thought, hold off thousands of battleships of every enemy he ever fought ever, including Daleks.


So why the hell is he NOW so shocked and scared and repulsed by the thought of him being known as a weapon, whereas multiple times over the past few regenerations, even his current one, he flaunted his weapon-status in the faces of people he didn't like. He even regularly, since episode 1, held himself as better than others at times and as a truly terrifying person, even to his companions ("Don't try to play games with me, don't you ever think you're capable of doing that" was the direct quote, I believe).



So, again,why the hell is he so amazed by this outcome?

My thought is that he knew that he had this 'power' but never to this level. Plus, he's never really had someone lay it all out for him before. Truelly, until I just read your post I never realised all the freaking scary things that he's done; when it's all said at the same time the meaning all becomes clear. With the thing at the end of s6 (getting all of the villains to behave for a sec) it seemed like he was just having a bit of a lark and that he was having fun with his reputation. Maybe he just thought it was all fun and never actually stood by the understand the full consequences coz he was too busy looking at the positives, ie the day has been saved

[Coco Pops]

One thing though. Does anyone have any ideas in their heads of why Cybermen were at the Pandorica before everyone had arrived?

[Galileo_Galilee]

Somebody had to have built it.

It's possible they were the builders, and one of them had some sort of accident, and was just left there.

[Sealurk]

They were guarding it. The Doctor specifically mentions that the Cyber-man that got 'duffed up by the locals (never underestimate a Celt)' was probably a guard, and there's a sentry box next to the Pandorica with cyber weapons in it.

[Skydiver]

I think the biggest thing about the doctor being evil or people being afraid of him...absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's getting to the point that his whims or wishes become reality...whether they're for the better good or not.

he's >< to becoming a villain. this >< to going too far, to abusing others for his own wishes and desires. His power is corrupting his morals.

[Sealurk]

So, the Doctor's getting more and more powerful, we're seeing more and more hints of his dark side, he's getting closer to his final regeneration...is this Steven "Long Game" Moffat setting up a return for the Valeyard? And is the Valeyard the subject of the Doctor Who equivalent to Godwin's (or Jarnin's) Law?!

[Skydiver]

do you think this could be built upon Waters of Mars where he changed history? He's gotten attached to people and isn't letting things play out as they should. He's changing, sometimes for the good, sometimes not.

arent' time lords supposed to be observers and not doers?

[Alan]

do you think this could be built upon Waters of Mars where he changed history? He's gotten attached to people and isn't letting things play out as they should. He's changing, sometimes for the good, sometimes not.

arent' time lords supposed to be observers and not doers?

The reason the Doctor left Gallifrey was because all Time Lords did was observe. The Doctor may interfere in the affairs of the other planets and peoples but he never dared interfere with established events or do any thing that could damage the Web of Time...at least until the events of The Waters of Mars opened his eyes. The End of Time never really addressed a Time Lord Victorious...but maybe...indirectly...Mr. Moffat is doing that and showing just what the Doctor's normal interference is doing to him and to those around him.

[Skydiver]

he took that first step down the slippery slope. and has people too afraid of him to stand up to him. so he doesn't have much of a checks and balances. He has shown a lack of impulse control, and has a lack of people to control him and can be seen as a future danger.

[Alan]

he took that first step down the slippery slope. and has people too afraid of him to stand up to him. so he doesn't have much of a checks and balances. He has shown a lack of impulse control, and has a lack of people to control him and can be seen as a future danger.

In the 1986 story The Trial of a Time Lord, the Doctor faced a physical entity that was from somewhere between his 12th and 13th incarnations and was totally devoid of anything recognisable as the Doctor. It was his evil side totally unleashed and filtered of goodness. The Master himself feared what this entity was and that he wouldn't be able to beat it.

If what he did in the 2009 story The Waters of Mars was his first small step down this dark path and if he continued like this throughout time and space then eventually he'd certainly build a legendary reputation for himself and the Doctor may indeed become like that entity the Master feared. He'd be consumed by the darkness within him. A twisted parody of the man we know...totally devoid of compassion or mercy or anything that makes the Doctor who he is. A man like that totally free of his rules, unleashed on time and space would be feared. A man like that would cause Pandorica's to be built to imprison him...would bring bitter rivals like the Daleks and the Cybermen and the Sontarans together to fight him...and encourage armies to be raised against him.

[Coco Pops]

In the 1986 story The Trial of a Time Lord, the Doctor faced a physical entity that was from somewhere between his 12th and 13th incarnations and was totally devoid of anything recognisable as the Doctor. It was his evil side totally unleashed and filtered of goodness. The Master himself feared what this entity was and that he wouldn't be able to beat it.

If what he did in the 2009 story The Waters of Mars was his first small step down this dark path and if he continued like this throughout time and space then eventually he'd certainly build a legendary reputation for himself and the Doctor may indeed become like that entity the Master feared. He'd be consumed by the darkness within him. A twisted parody of the man we know...totally devoid of compassion or mercy or anything that makes the Doctor who he is. A man like that totally free of his rules, unleashed on time and space would be feared. A man like that would cause Pandorica's to be built to imprison him...would bring bitter rivals like the Daleks and the Cybermen and the Sontarans together to fight him...and encourage armies to be raised against him.

Funny because River Song said all this in the Library episodes..... No one had an issue with it then. Why now?

[Skydiver]

his companions have always been the focus point for getting involved. either she'd get kidnapped, requiring him to get involved to rescue her, or she'd say he needed to fix something and he'd find a way to please her and stay within the rules.

however, now we're seeing the doctor rallying the troops to save his friend...and we're seeing major plots against him. everything seems to be escalating to the point of him not just tweaking history to the greater good (like theoretically sam beckett did in quantum leap) he seems willing to tweak history to suit himself. A very, very dangerous place to be. and a very dangerous person to be near. Because, it seems his loyalty to his friends matters more than the galaxy as a whole.

[Coco Pops]

his companions have always been the focus point for getting involved. either she'd get kidnapped, requiring him to get involved to rescue her, or she'd say he needed to fix something and he'd find a way to please her and stay within the rules.

however, now we're seeing the doctor rallying the troops to save his friend...and we're seeing major plots against him. everything seems to be escalating to the point of him not just tweaking history to the greater good (like theoretically sam beckett did in quantum leap) he seems willing to tweak history to suit himself. A very, very dangerous place to be. and a very dangerous person to be near. Because, it seems his loyalty to his friends matters more than the galaxy as a whole.

Well you gotta have friends

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

Just watched this one again.. and then The Impossible Astronaut.. The younger Doctor was 909 when Amy said he was 908.. And in the White House when he was looking at the maps he said he was "following another lead", the first time I saw it I thought he was referring to the street names to find the girl.. but now it seems that he may have the information from the computers on Demon's Run. We know that the Doctor left at the end of "A Good Man Goes to War" to find Melody/River/Girl in the Space Suit... so did The Doctor in The Impossible Astronaut (the one with the special straw in the diner) arrive from slightly in the future after A Good Man Goes to War?

Of course there has to be a point where the 908 year old Doctor reappears to stop it all becoming a confusing time looping paradox..

[Galileo_Galilee]

You know, that's the sad thing about the paranoid.

They often create the very same situation that they are afraid of because they can't leave things alone.

If they would leave the Doctor alone, he wouldn't be going down this path, if he is indeed going down this dark path.

But that's the thing about heroes, in order to grow they must go down the dark path at least once in their career.