the only good shows they did were BSG and the continuation of stargate saga... eureka, sanctuary, warehouse 13 are below avg. shows for me... i want SPACE OPERAS with big SPACE BATTLES... i guess we have wait for netflix to come with with something in space or that upcoming halo series...
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Originally posted by destiny khan View Postthe only good shows they did were BSG and the continuation of stargate saga... eureka, sanctuary, warehouse 13 are below avg. shows for me... i want SPACE OPERAS with big SPACE BATTLES... i guess we have wait for netflix to come with with something in space or that upcoming halo series...sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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For me, scifi does NOT have to be about space. It is, after all science fiction, not space fiction. Some of my favorite authors' stories and various television programs/movies have had nothing to do with space. This doesn't make them any less scifi. (Jules Verne 20,000 leagues anyone? Bradbury, Azimov...I could go on) Equating scifi to space is far too limiting.sigpic
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Originally posted by Nolamom View PostFor me, scifi does NOT have to be about space. It is, after all science fiction, not space fiction. Some of my favorite authors' stories and various television programs/movies have had nothing to do with space. This doesn't make them any less scifi. (Jules Verne 20,000 leagues anyone? Bradbury, Azimov...I could go on) Equating scifi to space is far too limiting.
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Well as I believe there is a second season on the way. I don't think it was a 'flop' for Syfy.
I still have the last few episodes of season one to watch."What do you mean by 'Oopps'?"
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Originally posted by Lythisrose View PostHi Briangate, nice to see you in the neighborhood!
Defiance got renewed for a 2nd season starting in June 2014. So quite the wait.
Ok I thought it was renewed, and yeah wow have to wait till June? Typical Syfy, lol.sigpic
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I can't seem to get into Defiance, seems like every episode someone is turning on the town and being revealed as a traitor. This is never surprising, they always reveal who it is at the beginning of the episode.
The whole 'main character is town sheriff' thing is getting old, with Eureka and Terra Nova already perfecting this formula. This show just seems like too much of a copy cat to hold any real value, or being any credibility back to Syfy. It's not terrible, it's just too cliche.
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in retrospective I really liked "Defiance" of course it has its flaws especially being in its first season but I really really like how they develop a world around the town itself, that they created a own language, that BearMcCreary is doing his own thing in it, the aliens, the earth it self are really good. The stories are sometimes predictable like this romeo-and-juliet-style of show but the setting around it is quite awesome which made me stuck with this show!
June? Really? What about.. April?sigpic
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Originally posted by techs View PostFor those not following the ratings this weeks episode, the 9th, pulled in only 1.6 million viewers. During its first season Sanctuary pulled an average of 2.36 million viewers.
With critics giving it mediocre reviews and viewers apparently agreeing, the idea that Defiance would be a major move in reestablishing Syfy as a credible scifi network is over. Despite the money Syfy put into the show its seen as just another so-so effort by the network.
Despite the money, the video game and the hype Defiance hasn't even been a blip on the tv landscape. Shows like Eureka, Battlestar Galactica and Warehouse 13 were noticed and written about by mainstream media. Defiance has dropped completely off that radar.
I guess we can always hope the RDM show Helix will be decent.
Syfy ratings in everything that isn't an reality TV show has been plummeting, but that because they have treated their audience that like scifi like **** and most of that audience has long as abandon Syfy channel. Plus most of it programming, minus defiance and Haven is ****. You can't rebuild a brand base on one decent only decent show, if they want to rebuild their reputation for good quality Science fiction and rebuild their audience they will need more high budget shows like Defiance, hopefully shows that have more interesting stories and characters.
Helix sounds terrible. Personally I suspect we will see that type of story done a lot more better in Last Boat than we will see with Helix, plus I don't trust RDM to produce anything descent after the mess that was BSG s3 and 4 and Virtuality was a pile heap of ****.
What defiance is missing is a true rivalry, sure they set up that alien drug lord and miner but we never saw any of these schemes play out of screen. There need to Frenemy relationship.
An it was way too soon to have the town invaded, especially as we haven't even been introduce to Votanis Collective yet, that really felt like a story for season 3 or 4 .Last edited by knowles2; 13 September 2013, 07:19 AM.
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Originally posted by techs View PostI think people who don't recognize that Defiance has been a major failure for Syfy are probably the same people who so strongly supported Stargate:Universe.
Defiance was put forth as a "game changer".
A (relatively) big budget return of Syfy to real science fiction. Yet, the shows ratings are dramatically lower than previous flagship shows on Syfy.
The show is on Mondays which is, iirc, the second largest primetime audience of the week. And yet the numbers are far less than Stargate: Universe or BSG or Stargate:Atlantis, etc. Those shows were often on Friday nights which is the well known "Friday night death slot" for its very low numbers of people who watch on Friday.
The critics and viewers all agree the show is a big "meh". Of course there are the people who argued that Stargate: Universe was a well made and a great show. They are clearly over represented in a scifi forum. And they are actually hurting quality scifi programming. When you can throw any thing up on the air that is scifi and can depend on the usual suspects praising the show and the hard core scifi viewers to watch, there is no incentive to make a good show.
As I predicted a few weeks ago I thought that Defiance would bottom at 1.5 to 1.6 million viewers. And the second season is going to have even less viewers.
Originally posted by techs View PostThe argument that Defiance is a success because Syfy is making money off the video game means nothing to me. I don't judge a tv show by how much it makes off a game.
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