Originally posted by L-S
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I don't see Cally's death as a plot hole. I didn't back then, and I don't now with the new revelation that Cally knew that Nick was not Tyrol's.
I was merely pointing out that in real life people kill their own children for twisted reasons...and generally those people are not in a sane state of mind when they do it. Cally was planning on killing Nick for some reason really only know to her, but I can speculate on possible motivations and not need to rely on the writers to spell it out in black and white as to why she took Nick into the airlock with her because I can find it perfectly believable that she would do it even knowing the kid wasn't part Cylon.
Tory, the hot Hindu Cylon, would have happily disposed of both human mommy and child to protect her secret in the fleet (her secret golem-cylon identity), no? What would've stopped her?
Tory knew what we knew at the time...the kid was Tyrol's. Tyrol being a Cylon and all...well you'd want to not airlock the half Cylon child just because he's one of you. I'd think that would be reason enough for her to talk Cally into backing down so you could send a right hook her way, take the child, and airlock the threat.
So what if the kid turned out not to be the Chief's. Didn't make the impact of her death any less meaningful. I mean Cally was going to off herself and the kid without Tory's help anyway. Doesn't matter to me that we now know that Nick was Hot Dog's kid, and she still intended to kill Nick anyway in her deranged mental state. Tory intervened, saved Nick, and then murdered Cally. Who the kid's biological father is has no impact on any of that for me.
I never really thought she was intending to kill Nick because he was half Cylon anyway, but that's just me. Her walking into that airlock was more about herself than Nick. Apparently other people saw that as part of her motivation though.
We've lost that thread, it's been subsumed in the writing of the 'galactica bible' - the notion that the promises of the Uber-Six we first knew in Baltar's head, regarding 'their child' (she and Baltar's), being born through Sharon and Helo...
Look, it's a crap-up in the writing - no reason to not have a dozen mixed-lineage kids. No reason to say that Baltar's dreams were absolutely accurate or universal - they drove him to whatever purposes - the grounding of the fleet on New Caprica, the nuclear annihilation of the pretty forest ship (Cloud 9), and his conversion to One-God-ism.
They just got stuck in writer's cramp, a leg-lock, an overly literal position that they, or Moore, or whomever, thought they had to uphold.
Or, what's the more interesting question that comes out of the multiple pairings of Cylon and human, or Cylon and 'replicant'-Cylon?
The deeper questions go to - 'what is humanity? what is it to feel, to dream, to be alive, to be conscious? To have a conscience? To be a spiritual entity?'
I dislike the slavish attention to internal 'prophecy' over honest character development.
Look, it's a crap-up in the writing - no reason to not have a dozen mixed-lineage kids. No reason to say that Baltar's dreams were absolutely accurate or universal - they drove him to whatever purposes - the grounding of the fleet on New Caprica, the nuclear annihilation of the pretty forest ship (Cloud 9), and his conversion to One-God-ism.
They just got stuck in writer's cramp, a leg-lock, an overly literal position that they, or Moore, or whomever, thought they had to uphold.
Or, what's the more interesting question that comes out of the multiple pairings of Cylon and human, or Cylon and 'replicant'-Cylon?
The deeper questions go to - 'what is humanity? what is it to feel, to dream, to be alive, to be conscious? To have a conscience? To be a spiritual entity?'
I dislike the slavish attention to internal 'prophecy' over honest character development.
I'm not exactly sure what kind of character development of having another hybrid kid brings to the story that you don't already get.
The show already explores all those deeper questions you posed without the aid of Nick's existence.
Tory, the replicant, threw poor, wane, passive-aggressive Cally into space, and not her child - because the Child was a Cylon, and Tory the Cylon felt this to be so, or the child would've joined the mother.
The character had no relationship with any other male, was intensely, suicidally loyal to the 'replicant'-Chief, to the point of being beaten brutally by him - and wanting more. Not a 'cheating wife' by any previous measure - it was just written in as a plot convenience.
The reason the writers have altered this internal logical reality, is to adhere to an oppositional preconceived and determined notion of the number of 'mixed' children, and the ultimate progression or position of the chief's character...
Poor Cally. To die for bad writing. And among so much good writing!
The character had no relationship with any other male, was intensely, suicidally loyal to the 'replicant'-Chief, to the point of being beaten brutally by him - and wanting more. Not a 'cheating wife' by any previous measure - it was just written in as a plot convenience.
The reason the writers have altered this internal logical reality, is to adhere to an oppositional preconceived and determined notion of the number of 'mixed' children, and the ultimate progression or position of the chief's character...
Poor Cally. To die for bad writing. And among so much good writing!
Cally was pregnant before they got married so she wasn't exactly obligated to the Chief. Just because she had strong feelings for him prior to them getting together, doesn't preclude her from sleeping around with some other guy. Though I figure the thing with Hot Dog was probably a one night thing. Not out of the realm of possibility, imo.
Was it a cheap and easy fix to not having to deal with Nick as a hybrid? Sure. But I think it focuses the story more. Now we don't have that loose end out there that needs an answer and needs to fit in with the larger picture. They just have Helo and Athena's kid to have to deal with...since Six isn't having hers anytime soon. Keeps the story focused and fits with their original idea/plan from season one. Besides if they all turn out to be Cylons, then it really won't matter.
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