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    Is the earth that Kara jumped them to using the all along the watchtower coordinates the same as the earth that they found which was a nuclear wasteground?
    I dunno what to put in here now..

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    No.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Puddle-Jumper View Post
      Is the earth that Kara jumped them to using the all along the watchtower coordinates the same as the earth that they found which was a nuclear wasteground?
      Spoiler:

      no

      the earth in revelations was the settlemeant of the 13th tribe

      the planet that was found in daybreak, is 1 million light years from the area in space that the series took place.

      so two different planets
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        Definitely two different planets.
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          It is pure coincidence that the constellations that they found in the tomb of Athena, and that were visible on the original Earth as they arrived, look exactly the same as the constellations that we see on our sky, on a different Earth, far away, 150 thousand years later. Makes perfect sense!

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            So why did the viper lead the fleet there?
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              #7
              Originally posted by Admiral Mappalazarou View Post
              So why did the viper lead the fleet there?
              Because that was the "real" Earth -- that is, the Earth of legend; the home of the Thirteenth Tribe. And quite possibly because it was part of Kara's prophesied role as the "harbinger of death".

              Originally posted by ipp0 View Post
              It is pure coincidence that the constellations that they found in the tomb of Athena, and that were visible on the original Earth as they arrived, look exactly the same as the constellations that we see on our sky, on a different Earth, far away, 150 thousand years later. Makes perfect sense!
              I don't know about "pure coincidence"... but yeah.
              Pretty much up there on the same level as humans evolving twice.

              I actually spent quite a bit of time writing up my thoughts on this last week, so...
              for what it's worth... here it is for anyone who might be interested:

              On a difficulty regarding the second Earth:
              In the tomb of Athena, the Colonials discovered that Earth was "the place where you can look up in the sky and see the constellations of the Twelve Colonies". Later, when Kara was resurrected and returned to the fleet, she arrived with pictures that she had taken of Earth, and claimed that "the star patterns matched what we saw in the tomb of Athena". Her claim was proved true when the fleet arrived at "nuked Earth", and verified that the star patterns around the planet did indeed match -- the Earth of legend, home of the Thirteenth Tribe, was a nuclear wasteland. And yet the fleet ultimately finds their home on a new, young planet -- which it turns out, however, is the very same planet that we live on today, and from which we know that we definitely can "look up in the sky and see the constellations of the Twelve Colonies"... that is, the constellations of the Zodiac. But here we have a not-so-insignificant difficulty: How is it possible for two planets to share the exact same set of 12 constellations? Are the two planets really that close to one another? But then why don't the Colonials immediately take notice of these matching constellations around their new home, which they just so happen to have already seen twice before?

              The solution to these difficulties, however, is not as difficult as it might seem, once we recall the fact that the Colonials are actually arriving on our planet 150,000 years ago -- of course they don't see the constellations of the Twelve Colonies when they look up at the night sky. Why? Because those constellations don't actually exist yet, and for the most part (Orion being the only notable exception, though it's not a Zodiac constellation in the first place) won't even come close to being recognizable as our modern Zodiac constellations for at least another 120,000-140,000 years. Conversely, there was no problem at all when the constellations around "nuked Earth" were found to match the star patterns laid out in the tomb of Athena, since we were only dealing with a time span of roughly 2,000 years between the construction of the tomb and Galactica's arrival at the home of the Thirteenth Tribe. In short, although the eventual reappearance of the signs of the twelve tribes over present-day Earth might have to be seen a sign of a "divine hand at work", we no longer have to deal with the much harder problems that would have followed upon the assumption that both "nuked Earth" and "present Earth" are simultaneously sharing the same set of 12 constellations, despite being two distinct planets existing in different locations.

              And for what it's worth, there are also a number of in-universe details that can be used to support our conclusion. For example, although the constellations at "nuked Earth" were identified as match for the star patterns given in the tomb of Athena, a more important question must be answered first: How accurately so the constellations represented in the tomb of Athena actually correspond with our constellations? The answer, as it turns out, is that there actually are notable differences -- and that's leaving aside the variations in the precise orientation and shape of the constellations. To take two particularly notable examples: The star which we know as Aldebaran ("the eye of the Bull") is missing from the tomb's depiction of Taurus, and the Lagoon Nebula (which Lee points out as being located in Scorpio) is located from our perspective in Sagittarius. In short, there really is nothing in the tomb of Athena to prevent us from understanding that the constellations of the Twelve Colonies as seen from the home of the Thirteenth Tribe 150,000 years ago were simply a different set of the same constellations, composed of almost entirely (if not completely) different stars than the ones that we find in our Zodiac today.

              Response to a possible objection: When the fleet arrives at Earth (our Earth) in the very last episode -- and even several episodes before the fleet arrives, really -- several of our modern-day constellations (notably Orion, Taurus, and the Big Dipper) can be briefly identified in the background of certain scenes. And yet we know that (with the possible exception of Orion, as stated above) this should definitely not have been possible on Earth, not to mention anywhere outside of our solar system, 150,000 years ago. So, what gives? Read on:
              "Ok, there have been A LOT of questions about the star patterns seen on BSG. Some folks have been taking screen grabs and analyzing the constellations seen in the show, looking for clues as to where the fleet was, is and was going. I hate to burst your bubble, but it was all random. Most of our starfields were generated by a Lightwave plugin called STARPRO. This is an excellent piece of software and it’s pretty much been used to generate all the stars on series like BSG, Star Trek and Firefly. You have the option of using real stars, or randomly placed points. If memory serves, the “real” stars loads by default, so we usually used that, never considering that some crazy fans might seach for clues in our backdrops! Eventually people began to notice the easy-to-spot belt of Orion cropping up, so upon learning this we made an effort to randomize the stars a little more. As the Fleet was getting closer to Earth we went back to using real stars, but at no point were we purposely placing constellations in -- or out -- of view. This job is time consuming enough without having to literally worry about every dot on the screen!"
              ...in other words, the star patterns seen onscreen were only accidentally recognizable as modern constellations. Accordingly, any appearance of these star patterns before the end of Season 4 should simply be ignored, while their deliberate reappearance in the final episodes should (in light of the revelation that these events are set 150,000 years in the past) properly be considered as a sort of "easter egg" bonus for attentive viewers -- both as a visual foreshadowing of the fleet's impending arrival at our Earth, and, in the very end, as a sort of on-screen confirmation of this fact for the benefit of the average viewer, rather than any intentional depiction of how the stars above Earth actually looked like at that time.
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