The Covid19 thread

[Annoyed]

Got herded shopping yesterday... with ARROWS on the floor of the store. OMG, that Store doesn't even have enough customers in it to do that! Do NOT pass go, do NOT pass customer next to you... This was in what used to be a comfortable 2-way movement aisle, with clerk working in the middle (thus, a 3 person directional way). And follow arrow to go up in order to go down the actual aisle you NEED to be in. Moron world. ...or socialism into communism just getting started.

That's what these are for.

Next rant...
Whether some or most of you people on here who previously wrote about keeping businesses closed or at reduced capacity, maybe *you* all have enough money stashed away to last for weeks into months and months, but other people doNOT. There are some people who were living from a week to week paycheck, got laid off or "let go" due to COVID19 shut-downs, were unable to apply for unemployment and are OUT of MONEY... not enough in savings to pay other bills.

I got a message to support local food banks yesterday. Sorry folks, it ain't happening. No JOB means NO MONEY support..! Same is going to apply to all future gifts going out (to people who needed some help). Sorry, the *buck* stopped coming in. Nothing is going out. Capitalism just DIED... or your capitalistic funding just STOPPED. Income paralyzed now ---- put into survival mode. Stingy Scrooge? Maybe, but when living on a shoestring budget, where the threads of the *shoestring* aren't strong enough to begin with, what else are people going to do. I'm not the only person thinking this way.

Just about anyone who is laid off is eligible for unemployment. And the $600 federal stimulus bonus tacked onto avg. state unemployment adds up to income in the mid 50K range. That's more than many people have ever made working, period. So for the time being, at least, the "buck" has not stopped flowing.

We don't dare start re-opening things on a mass scale until we have readily available ANONYMOUS testing available to see who can spread it and who can't.

NY's Gov.Cuomo is now telling people if they want to work, go find an ESSENTIAL job, instead... Work there.

Well, that's fine and easy for Cuomo to say that. His (financial) future is *secure*.

He's an idiot. that's no surprise to anyone. However, it could be worse. As you note, the majority of those "essential jobs" are low paid grunt work. But at least he suggests you get paid. The gov. of California is calling on citizens to do that work on a volunteer basis; IE unpaid.

However, realistically, there ARE people who had good paying jobs in "NON-essential" declared businesses, who realized they cannot *realistically* get a stock or cashier clerk job just to keep the bills paid. These are people with chronic (degenerative) pain issues, and WHY they need to stay in sit down jobs. First day or week in a retail place could send them to the hospital for throwing their back out. Then what? They're screwed again. Oh, it ****s to be you.

Or worse. When the economy does start to open again, companies are not just going to drop the same people back into the same jobs. Older folks, who have worked for decades and are making good money aren't going to be first choice. The companies are going to hire younger, cheaper workers in their place. So, your guy who had a decent desk job is going to have to apply for something else.. and if he refuses whatever is offered, regardless of whether it's for low wage, inability to do physical work, whatever, loses eligibility for unemployment, and then the money really will stop flowing in for many more people. They may have to make special exceptions to std. eligibility rules for those that can't risk re-entering the labor market for health risk reasons.

This is going to be an ongoing nightmare for years to come. And there are no quick easy answers.

[magi877]

Coronavirus virus particles live for just two minutes on sunny surfaces when temperatures are 70f (25c) and above, a leading US scientist said on Thursday. Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate boss Bill Bryan revealed the powerful combination of ultraviolet (UV) light and warmer temperatures on Covid-19 while flanked by Donald Trump at the White House Thursday.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/23/us-sa...2/?ito=cbshare

similar reports have been coming out for awhile now from all around the world

https://www.biospace.com/article/cor...d-be-seasonal/

[magi877]

wonder if it was from an excessive dose of a med that effected their livers or a Chinese experiment in U/V to the body as treatment?

[magi877]

NYS antibody study indicates that infection rate is far higher then the numbers of person with symptoms. seems most people just don't get sick. this also means there are far more ppl capable of donating convalescent plasma

some research shows that like with other virus', there may be a period of immunity from recurring infection if they tested positive for the antibody. also, in the WH briefing today, convalescent plasma is being used in researching a prophylactic med that may be used in future to prevent infection

Preliminary data shows about 13.9 percent of the population of New York state — about 2.7 million people — have at some point been infected with the coronavirus.

The data indicates the COVID-19 death rate in New York is about 0.5 percent. The tests were conducted over a two-day period in 19 counties and 40 localities.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ary-data-shows

[magi877]

interesting. this research indicates that up tp 50% of deaths attributed to covid19 only have also involved highly anti biotic resistant bacterial infections

1) Bacterial co-infections are the hidden threat lurking behind COVID-19
Already, some studies have found that 1 in 7 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 has acquired a dangerous secondary bacterial infection (Zhou et al., 2020). These co-infected patients have a higher risk of mortality according to reports that 50% of COVID-19 patient deaths were due to secondary infections (Morris, Cleary, Clarke 2020, Zhou et al., 2020).

https://www.curetisusa.com/resources/covid-19/

[Annoyed]

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/23/us-sa...2/?ito=cbshare

similar reports have been coming out for awhile now from all around the world

https://www.biospace.com/article/cor...d-be-seasonal/

NYS antibody study indicates that infection rate is far higher then the numbers of person with symptoms. seems most people just don't get sick. this also means there are far more ppl capable of donating convalescent plasma

some research shows that like with other virus', there may be a period of immunity from recurring infection if they tested positive for the antibody. also, in the WH briefing today, convalescent plasma is being used in researching a prophylactic med that may be used in future to prevent infection



https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ary-data-shows

interesting. this research indicates that up tp 50% of deaths attributed to covid19 only have also involved highly anti biotic resistant bacterial infections



https://www.curetisusa.com/resources/covid-19/

Considering the amount of deliberately misleading crap we've been fed by our government(s), I'm not exactly in the mood to believe our govt. right away, particularly if it points to opening things back up before we have adequate testing available.

[epg20]

wonder if it was from an excessive dose of a med that effected their livers or a Chinese experiment in U/V to the body as treatment?

i have heard of this especially about the guy who had to have his leg amputated because of blood clots caused by covid 19.

High number of COVID-19 patients have blood clots

this sounds VERY familiar, my mother had to take blood thinners the rest of her life after she had a heart valve replacement, to keep her immune from attacking the artificial valve. this just seems to add some more to my theory about it being like an allergen, and makes me think that it may have ben constructed as a bioweapon, a soft weapon, I think that is the term for it, you want to make the enemy so sick that he won't to fight, but not kill him.

there have ben reports about skin discoloration with covid 19 they call it covid toe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaBXQ1irNA0

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=covid+toe

[Annoyed]

And China is under no legal obligation to comply since we have no extradation treaty. It's why the suing is largely symbolic

Politicians have done purely symbolic things in the past. Sometimes, the goal is not as it seems. It could be a hidden motive, such as pushing the viewpoint of the country to accept the idea of punishing China for this.

[VampyreWraith]

NYS antibody study indicates that infection rate is far higher then the numbers of person with symptoms. seems most people just don't get sick. this also means there are far more ppl capable of donating convalescent plasma

some research shows that like with other virus', there may be a period of immunity from recurring infection if they tested positive for the antibody. also, in the WH briefing today, convalescent plasma is being used in researching a prophylactic med that may be used in future to prevent infection



https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ary-data-shows

I just means they weren't sick enough to go to a hospital or doctor to get tested. Thy were basically telling everyone that unless they had severe symptoms like shortness of breath or chest pains to just stay home and self-quarantine. During the peak of the virus in late march/ early April, they didn't want to test anyone with even mild symptoms because of lack of tests. Over 80% of people who get covid only experience mild symptoms. I want to get an antibody test when they're more widely available.

[Annoyed]

I just means they weren't sick enough to go to a hospital or doctor to get tested. Thy were basically telling everyone that unless they had severe symptoms like shortness of breath or chest pains to just stay home and self-quarantine. During the peak of the virus in late march/ early April, they didn't want to test anyone with even mild symptoms because of lack of tests. Over 80% of people who get covid only experience mild symptoms. I want to get an antibody test when they're more widely available.

Same here. We shouldn't be opening crap up until there is a readily available and ANONYMOUS test for both the presence of the virus, meaning the person has it, and the antibodies, which mean they've beaten it and are now "safe". Assuming, of course that our theories about immunity hold true for this.

You notice I stress the word ANONYMOUS. That is VERY important. I don't want my status to be recorded in any govt. database.

[VampyreWraith]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/n...#link-6185a2fd

A new study of thousands of people who were hospitalized in New York City after contracting the coronavirus found that more than nine in 10 had at least one chronic health condition and that most had at least two.

Like several other reports on smaller patient groups at area hospitals, the Northwell research indicated that obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes were common risk factors for severe Covid-19 disease requiring hospitalization. One of the most striking findings: only 6 percent of hospitalized patients had no underlying health conditions at all.

[VampyreWraith]

Same here. We shouldn't be opening crap up until there is a readily available and ANONYMOUS test for both the presence of the virus, meaning the person has it, and the antibodies, which mean they've beaten it and are now "safe". Assuming, of course that our theories about immunity hold true for this.

You notice I stress the word ANONYMOUS. That is VERY important. I don't want my status to be recorded in any govt. database.

I wish they'd make it anonymous, but they probably wont.

I read that the red cross might open up antibody testing to people who think they may have gotten it and want to donate plasma. Right now they're only giving antibody tests to people who have recovered from a confirmed case and donate plasma. I'd donate plasma, I've donated blood before and my son donates blood and plasma pretty regularly.

[SoulReaver]

interesting. this research indicates that up tp 50% of deaths attributed to covid19 only have also involved highly anti biotic resistant bacterial infections



https://www.curetisusa.com/resources/covid-19/

once covid affects the lungs secondary infections are not just possible but also inevitable right?

I don't want my status to be recorded in any govt. database.

too late

wait you were talking about Covid nvm

but then how will people prove they're immune? (job interviews etc.)

[magi877]

I just means they weren't sick enough to go to a hospital or doctor to get tested. Thy were basically telling everyone that unless they had severe symptoms like shortness of breath or chest pains to just stay home and self-quarantine. During the peak of the virus in late march/ early April, they didn't want to test anyone with even mild symptoms because of lack of tests. Over 80% of people who get covid only experience mild symptoms. I want to get an antibody test when they're more widely available.

these tests were done randomly with a total sample size of 3000 from across the state of NY--cities to rural areas

people were asked to voluntarily test as they entered grocery stores and other "essential" businesses

it was not a target group of people who were sick and thought they had the flu or cold, just being asked as they walked through the store's door

related-on the common flu. watch the numbers of flu cases jump for this year above 'normal years'. most yrs the US has about 60 million infected with common strains of flu. this flu season, most medical facilities tested everyone presenting with symptoms for the standard flu as well as covid19

in a normal flu season, many ppl with flu like symptoms just dont bother going to the Dr unless it gets very bad. this year, with the panic, a lot of people went in

[magi877]

once Covid affects the lungs secondary bacterial infections are not just possible but also inevitable right?

apparently,as stated, only in 50% of the deaths did bacteria play a role