The Department of Boneheadedness.

[Falcon Horus]

...colleges/unis cause of all the dreamers...

A world without dreamers is a world without future.

[Annoyed]

Seriously, FOX is the closest thing you get to fair and balanced out of those three.

What does that tell you?

That if a news source doesn't exhibit a leftist / liberal bias, you disregard it?

[Annoyed]

A world without dreamers is a world without future.

If you are referring to the conventional definition of the word "dreamers", you are correct.
If, on the other hand, you are referring to the LSoS's plan to legitimize illegals and their offspring, no we can do without those quite well, thank you.

[jelgate]

I disregard using just one news source since they are all biased

[Gatefan1976]

That if a news source doesn't exhibit a leftist / liberal bias, you disregard it?

LOL!!!

No, I actually don't mind FOX, at least in the bit they call "fox extra" when they generally just tell you the news, what gets me is the slew of opinion shows that people think are "news" such as Hannity, Bill, Megan etc etc. (Not to say that then same slew of lefty pundits on MSNBC are just as dumb)

FAIR is a site I would rate on the same level as Racial intolerance and hatred as, oh, Stormfront, or whatever "WHITE POWER" site you want to name, so yeah.

The Heritage Foundation is an unabashedly right leaning organization, not on the same level of "I think the media is left so it is" level of supposition, but an outright supporter and in some ways, crafter of Reaganomics and the Reagan Doctrine.

It's not a question of me going "oh hey, I think they lean right so I am not listening", it's -them- saying "I AM RIGHT WING AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH!!"

So, no, your assertion basically means squat, because anyone with a lick of sense would disregard such obviously biased sites from the left as well. Fox -leans heavily- Right, MSNBC -leans heavily- Left, but they are still news outlets, they don't exist -purely- to push a partisan agenda.

[Gatefan1976]

If you are referring to the conventional definition of the word "dreamers", you are correct.
If, on the other hand, you are referring to the LSoS's plan to legitimize illegals and their offspring, no we can do without those quite well, thank you.

Statistically, the greatest drain on any culture or economy is the old.

[Falcon Horus]

If you are referring to the conventional definition of the word "dreamers", you are correct.

I seem to have misinterpreted the meaning of garkhal's dreamers because the above is what I meant.

If, on the other hand, you are referring to the LSoS's plan to legitimize illegals and their offspring, no we can do without those quite well, thank you.

But now I see he actually meant those dreaming of a better life. His post does make more sense that way.

[Annoyed]

Statistically, the greatest drain on any culture or economy is the old.

This is probably true. But in the US, at least, the idea is that people who collect benefits from the SS system have paid into it their entire working lives are entitled to get their money back, plus the interest/income it earned under proper stewardship of the govt. They are theoretically just getting what was taken from them during their working years back.

But for many years now, the govt. has not been managing this system properly. The govt. basically robbed the fund blind and used that money for general expenses.
Another big problem is that they've allowed millions of people who have never paid a dime into the system to draw from it.

It's no surprise that the system is bankrupt.

[Gatefan1976]

This is probably true.

It is true

But in the US, at least, the idea is that people who collect benefits from the SS system have paid into it their entire working lives are entitled to get their money back, plus the interest/income it earned under proper stewardship of the govt. They are theoretically just getting what was taken from them during their working years back.

Err, So who is paying for all those social programs created in the youth of the baby boomers?
Medicare, Medicaid, the very notion of retirement........
Who paid for that?

But for many years now, the govt. has not been managing this system properly. The govt. basically robbed the fund blind and used that money for general expenses.

Like, paying for such socialist programs as Medicare and Medicaid?
No.........
I know, Education, them damn teachers and their commie unions.....
Paying to put someone on the moon, that was a waste...........

Another big problem is that they've allowed millions of people who have never paid a dime into the system to draw from it.

Damn socialists!!

It's no surprise that the system is bankrupt.

Indeed, It's been used to keep the baby boomers alive.
Interesting definition of "pay it forward" I must say.

[Annoyed]

If you think about what you've written here, you are actually making my argument.

Err, So who is paying for all those social programs created in the youth of the baby boomers?
Medicare, Medicaid, the very notion of retirement........
Who paid for that?

Like, paying for such socialist programs as Medicare and Medicaid?
No.........
I know, Education, them damn teachers and their commie unions.....
Paying to put someone on the moon, that was a waste...........

Isn't that what I was saying?

But for many years now, the govt. has not been managing this system properly. The govt. basically robbed the fund blind and used that money for general expenses.

For years, rather than levy taxes to support welfare & such, the govt. diverted SS funds to the general fund to pay for general expenses.

If that fund had been untouchable, as was intended, and properly invested, SS would now be able to support those who paid into it in their dotage.

But the baby boomers had all these grand ideas for giving everything to everybody, but they did not have the stomach to levy taxes to support it, which would have drastically reduced public support for these giveaway programs. So they robbed Peter to pay Paul.

Well, Peter is at the door now, and he is pissed.

And as far as "Paying to put someone on the moon, that was a waste.........." goes, the money spent on the space program is pocket change in comparison to social services spending, something on the order of 98 dollars to 1 dollar as of 2007, and pushing back the frontiers of mankind's knowledge was NOT a waste. The waste was paying for a bunch of leeches and parasites who only sit on the couch and breed more parasites and leeches. But the idealistic boomers never thought that through.

[garhkal]

Seriously, FOX is the closest thing you get to fair and balanced out of those three.

What does that tell you?

Well, compared to the WILLFUL liberal bias damn near all the rest of the media has, i would rather trust Fox than them!

A world without dreamers is a world without future.

Falcon there is a BIG difference between someone who doesn't dream and "Dreamers" (meaning those kids of illegal immigrants being allowed to stay in the US and get college education rather that getting deported like their kin!)..

But now I see he actually meant those dreaming of a better life. His post does make more sense that way.

And what of the many AMERICAN citizens who 'dream of a better life' who are getting hosed in having to pay out of state tuition costs compared to the MANY states that allow illegal immigrants to pay the lower 'instate cost'? Or states like CA who FUND those illegal immigrants education?? Do those citizens dreaming of a better life not count??

[Gatefan1976]

If you think about what you've written here, you are actually making my argument.

Sure, in a way I -am- making your argument.
Why do you think that is?

Isn't that what I was saying?


For years, rather than levy taxes to support welfare & such, the govt. diverted SS funds to the general fund to pay for general expenses.

If that fund had been untouchable, as was intended, and properly invested, SS would now be able to support those who paid into it in their dotage.

No, it wouldn't have because as you note, they did not do it right.

But the baby boomers had all these grand ideas for giving everything to everybody, but they did not have the stomach to levy taxes to support it, which would have drastically reduced public support for these giveaway programs. So they robbed Peter to pay Paul.

Well, Peter is at the door now, and he is pissed.

And once again, it is left for other people to pay for their mistakes.
You see, the Baby boomer generation -got it all-, but now in their "dotage" they fight and argue and complain that there will not be enough money left for them because of -their mistakes-, and they fight against the implementation of systems that would give what they got to the younger generations.

And as far as "Paying to put someone on the moon, that was a waste.........." goes, the money spent on the space program is pocket change in comparison to social services spending, something on the order of 98 dollars to 1 dollar as of 2007, and pushing back the frontiers of mankind's knowledge was NOT a waste.

Tell me, when did they put people on the moon again?
Once you answer that, tell me what the purpose of quoting numbers from 2007 is, M'kay.

The waste was paying for a bunch of leeches and parasites who only sit on the couch and breed more parasites and leeches. But the idealistic boomers never thought that through.

You wanted a socialized system, you implemented a socialized system, but you did not PAY for that socialized system, and you know it.
Idealism my butt.

[Gatefan1976]

Well, compared to the WILLFUL liberal bias damn near all the rest of the media has, i would rather trust Fox than them!

FOX is wilfully republican biased.
Also, when you are comparing such a groups as those three, being the "winner" doesn't really say much. "Who is better Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot"

[Falcon Horus]

Also, when you are comparing such a groups as those three, being the "winner" doesn't really say much. "Who is better Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot"

The lesser of three evils --- Mao?

[jelgate]

You guys had me at pot. Who wants brownies?