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[Annoyed]

I am surprised we have jumped to conclusions so fast in regards to this poor baby. We have absolutely no knowledge of the situation of the Mother, yet we are debating pro-life/pro choice issues in terms of availability of services?

I'm sorry, but the sorry excuse for a mother gets no sympathy from me. Granted, it's possible but very unlikely she was a rape victim, which might warrant other consideration, but most likely she took her pants off willingly. Guess what, ladies? If you take your pants off, you might get pregnant. Guess what, gentlemen? If you take your pants off, you might become a father. Good things to keep in mind as you're taking your pants off, folks.

I don't care what the circumstances are, murdering (or in this case, waiting for it to be born and then burying it alive) is NOT acceptable.

What is the difference to the infant if he's killed before or after birth?

[Gatefan1976]

How long until Trump says we should have a registry for all white non-Muslim males? Oh wait, that's stupid. We all know white non-Muslim males don't go around killing scores of people with guns in the United States, only Muslims do that.

giggle

Extremists tend to think alike...no matter what end of the spectrum they are from.

Yep.

FH started it...There's no real debate really. Considering that those services are readily available where the baby was found. The truth is, this has absolutely nothing to do with abortion. Even if people were paid to have abortions and such an action was lauded by 100% of the population, this still would have happened.

Hang on.
Prostitution is legal in many places, but that does not mean that rapes do not occur, does it. As to if it still would have happened, I do think we need to know more about the mother to make that determination.

[Gatefan1976]

I'm sorry, but the sorry excuse for a mother gets no sympathy from me. Granted, it's possible but very unlikely she was a rape victim, which might warrant other consideration, but most likely she took her pants off willingly. Guess what, ladies? If you take your pants off, you might get pregnant. Guess what, gentlemen? If you take your pants off, you might become a father. Good things to keep in mind as you're taking your pants off, folks.

I am not saying she deserves any sympathy, nor have I hinted that I do have any for her.
ALL I am saying is we need more information.

I don't care what the circumstances are, murdering (or in this case, waiting for it to be born and then burying it alive) is NOT acceptable.

Have I said it was?

What is the difference to the infant if he's killed before or after birth?

None, who said there was?

[SoulReaver]

What is the difference to the infant if he's killed before or after birth?

one of the two is murder

[Annoyed]

I am not saying she deserves any sympathy, nor have I hinted that I do have any for her.
ALL I am saying is we need more information.

Have I said it was?


None, who said there was?

My apologies. Meant to quote someone else in the thread.

[mad_gater]

I like to keep this quote from C.S. Lewis in mind as a reminder of just how socialism manages to get a foothold in society:

"Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupididty may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

[SoulReaver]

Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupididty may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience

excellent quote

ProLife fundies, take note :|

[aretood2]

giggle

Yep.

Hang on.
Prostitution is legal in many places, but that does not mean that rapes do not occur, does it. As to if it still would have happened, I do think we need to know more about the mother to make that determination.

I'm not sure what your point is...were you agreeing with me?

[jelgate]

I'm not sure what your point is...were you agreeing with me?

I think he was calling you a prostitute. I would challenge him to a duel for insulting your honor. I'm now opening bets. You have 10 to 1 odds

[Gatefan1976]

I'm not sure what your point is...were you agreeing with me?

First point made me laugh.
Second point I agreed with.
Third point was just because something is legally available, does not mean it is financially available, and people -will- take what they want if they truly have a mind to do it.
The Mother could have been raped.
The Mother could have been kicked out by their parents if they did not have the child.
The Mother could have been out of their mind.

Point being, we don't know enough about the situation to know what is going on, and any form of Judgement is premature.

[Gatefan1976]

I think he was calling you a prostitute. I would challenge him to a duel for insulting your honor. I'm now opening bets. You have 10 to 1 odds

I would never insult a professional like that Jel

[aretood2]

I think he was calling you a prostitute. I would challenge him to a duel for insulting your honor. I'm now opening bets. You have 10 to 1 odds

I like those odds.

First point made me laugh.
Second point I agreed with.
Third point was just because something is legally available, does not mean it is financially available, and people -will- take what they want if they truly have a mind to do it.
The Mother could have been raped.
The Mother could have been kicked out by their parents if they did not have the child.
The Mother could have been out of their mind.

But it is financially available in Los Angeles county. If the mother was raped, she could have gone to planned parenthood and gotten a free abortion, or any number of other clinics. If they were forced to keep the kid, infanticide is hardly a viable option...how exactly would the parents not kick them out for doing that? If she was out of her mind, then abortion or no abortion, it would still have happened. In all three cases a free abortion (unless forced upon her) would not have prevented it from happening.

Point being, we don't know enough about the situation to know what is going on, and any form of Judgement is premature.

I fart in your general direction and your mother smelt of elderberries.

[Gatefan1976]

I like to keep this quote from C.S. Lewis in mind as a reminder of just how socialism manages to get a foothold in society:

"Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupididty may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

LOL!!!
Can you quote the whole thing at least?

My contention is that good men (not bad men) consistently acting upon that position [imposing “the good”] would act as cruelly and unjustly as the greatest tyrants. They might in some respects act even worse. Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under of robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some points be satiated; but those who torment us for their own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to heaven yet at the same time likely to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on the level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

Hmmm.
I wonder whom Lewis was talking about.

[Gatefan1976]

I like those odds.

Gambling is a sin

But it is financially available in Los Angeles county. If the mother was raped, she could have gone to planned parenthood and gotten a free abortion, or any number of other clinics. If they were forced to keep the kid, infanticide is hardly a viable option...how exactly would the parents not kick them out for doing that? If she was out of her mind, then abortion or no abortion, it would still have happened. In all three cases a free abortion (unless forced upon her) would not have prevented it from happening.

Wow, bit to unpack there.
1: Most places -including planned parenthood- have a means test to determine if the abortion should be free.
2: The law does not allow for late term pregnancies to be aborted, it is illegal.
3: I am not saying she? made the decision (the father could be the one to do the deed, a new mother may have physical difficulties in hiding/burying a newborn)
4: The mother could have lied to their parents about putting the kid up for adoption.
5: "Free abortion"? Please define this.
6: If the pregnancy was aborted within the legal timeframe, this would not have happened.

I fart in your general direction and your mother smelt of elderberries.

You are a very naughty boy!!

[aretood2]

Gambling is a sin

It's only gambling if the outcome is uncertain.

Wow, bit to unpack there.
1: Most places -including planned parenthood- have a means test to determine if the abortion should be free.
2: The law does not allow for late term pregnancies to be aborted, it is illegal.
3: I am not saying she? made the decision (the father could be the one to do the deed, a new mother may have physical difficulties in hiding/burying a newborn)
4: The mother could have lied to their parents about putting the kid up for adoption.
5: "Free abortion"? Please define this.
6: If the pregnancy was aborted within the legal timeframe, this would not have happened.

1: Still wouldn't have prevented this, still assuming that she wanted an abortion.
2:No self respecting doctor would preform one anyway
3:Then abortion wouldn't, once again, be the issue
4:Once gain, abortion wouldn't then factor into this at all
5:No financial upfront cost to the person receiving the abortion.
6:That's assuming the abortion was sought out or desired to begin with.

You are a very naughty boy!!

You're weird. I'll leave you in PH's capable hands...