Tracking Earth's Future via Current Events, etc.

[Chaka-Z0]

well we use paper bags almost exclusively at Whole Foods.....gotta be careful how heavy you pack them though as the handles don't seem very strong...another drawback is that they are more expensive to produce than plastic ones....I'm thinking that perhaps a good intermediate step might be introducing plastic grocery bags made from that "bio-bag" material that biodegrades in the landfill...might be slightly more expensive than the regular plastic ones but not as expensive as paper bags to produce

of course regular plastic bags probably wouldn't be much of an issue if there weren't so many people who are too lazy to sort their trash (At Whole Foods our trash can be sorted into regular trash, of which the goal is to incinerate 85% of it and leave only 15% going to the landfill, mixed recyclables, and compostables)

Agree with all of what you said except one thing, the paper bag vs plastic bag. It is a common misconception, paper bags actually pollute more than plastic.

http://www.allaboutbags.ca/papervplastic.html

Paper vs. Plastic Bags
Fiction: Many believe that paper bags are more environmentally friendly than plastic bags because they are made from a renewable resource, can biodegrade, and are recyclable.

Fact: Plastic shopping bags outperform paper bags environmentally – on manufacturing, on reuse, and on solid waste volume and generation.

[mad_gater]

Agree with all of what you said except one thing, the paper bag vs plastic bag. It is a common misconception, paper bags actually pollute more than plastic.

http://www.allaboutbags.ca/papervplastic.html

Couldn't paper bag waste be incinerated though with less ill effects than burning plastic? I know plastic can be recycled I'm talking about the ones that wind up in a landfill.

[mad_gater]

Agree with all of what you said except one thing, the paper bag vs plastic bag. It is a common misconception, paper bags actually pollute more than plastic.

http://www.allaboutbags.ca/papervplastic.html

I also don't think I was trying to promote one over the other...just listing the various pros and cons of both paper and plastic...with perhaps "bio-bag" plastic grocery bags being a good "best of both" solution...the performance of plastic with the biodegradability of paper...use it to bag groceries and maybe another use out of it to line your garbage can with

[Chaka-Z0]

I also don't think I was trying to promote one over the other...just listing the various pros and cons of both paper and plastic...with perhaps "bio-bag" plastic grocery bags being a good "best of both" solution...the performance of plastic with the biodegradability of paper...use it to bag groceries and maybe another use out of it to line your garbage can with

It's a legit question MG, I actually didn't know that until a couple years ago. Was wondering why paper bags had disappeared along with the plastic ones.

[mad_gater]

It's a legit question MG, I actually didn't know that until a couple years ago. Was wondering why paper bags had disappeared along with the plastic ones.

yeah....do something productive with all that hemp (make biodegradable plastic bags out of it) instead of just smoking it all

[Annoyed]

The US pollutes just as bad, even more so considering what I've pointed out last time about Trump getting rid of the liability for American companies that free them from complying with environmental rules, pattern of migratory birds and oil spills. You've been enjoying an ultra-capitalist lifestyle for so long, it's time you pay the bill (you being the US).

The US also produces a large portion of the products used throughout the world.

Still living in Alice's world I see.

Still haven't proven that it's mankind's doing, I see.

You got that the other way around. The majority of scientists agree that climate changes are real and provide compilations of practical and empiric data on the matter. Those that say there is no climate changes are paid by the industry who wants to see their interests preserved. Wake up.

So each side goes the way that supports itself. Fair 'nuff.

But common sense says that since it's been going on since long before we were here, it isn't being caused by us.

We'll see at the next elections. One thing is for sure if Trump gets re-elected we're headed for a major environmental catastrophe.

If the Democrats don't find a way to stifle the Kindergartner and her socialist allies, they're gonna help get him re-elected more than anything he can do himself.

A large percent of the population, particularly the young skulls full of mush that claim to want socialism don't even know what it is. As they learn more about it, they're gonna see beyond "free stuff for me".

https://reason.com/2014/07/16/millen...socialism-me2/

There are a number of other articles out there that say the same thing, some more recent, but that's what I found quickly.

Some is not all. There is no such thing as a complete exodus of all capitals due to a tax increase. Most businesses remain, mayors and politicians don't, they'll bide their time.

It's kind of a chain reaction thing. Some affluent folks leave. But the state won't reduce spending/cut taxes, so they raise taxes on those that remain. This drives more of them out. Which raises taxes even further. Round and round it goes.

That is completely false, plastic bags haven't been banned here (but soon will) but they now charge the customers 5cents per bag, and that's enough to make most people bring their re-usable bags, which works fine. When you go to groceries I see people bagging fruits individually, I see people triple bagging their meat, it's just stupid and a huge waste of plastic. I haven't had to use a single plastic bag in over 5 years now, I keep those that I don't have a choice to get (say 1 bag for meat) and that's more than enough. I've got a bird and he probably craps 5 times more than your cat does, never had to use a plastic bag, I use my actual trash which you need to empty anyways.

And they charge about a buck for the reusable cloth bags. Guess which is gonna be more popular?

And I rather doubt your bird has more output than even one of my cats. It's not just the crap, it's the urine, too, and the litter which contains them. I get about 10 Lbs worth every 4 days or so from my 3 cats.

[jelgate]

We have proven it is created by mankind. You just stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it like a kidergartener ironically

[Chaka-Z0]

And they charge about a buck for the reusable cloth bags. Guess which is gonna be more popular?

The reusable one. Honestly, there might be one person out of 10 customers in line that don't have their own bags and most of the time it's because they forgot them at home. Literally everybody has them, it's so much easier, no need to pack a thousand bags, you keep them in the car trunk and you can use them over and over again and they have many uses.

That's not a ''going to be'' this is a ''it is more popular''.

We have proven it is created by mankind. You just stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it like a kidergartener ironically

Of course. Annoyed would be against breathing oxygen if it was part of the Dem's program.

[jelgate]

We should take that away from him. Its what Annoyed wanted

[Chaka-Z0]

We have yet to find a warehouse to stash his plastic bags collection. Postponed for now.

[jelgate]

Dump it into his yard.

[Annoyed]

The reusable one. Honestly, there might be one person out of 10 customers in line that don't have their own bags and most of the time it's because they forgot them at home. Literally everybody has them, it's so much easier, no need to pack a thousand bags, you keep them in the car trunk and you can use them over and over again and they have many uses.

That's not a ''going to be'' this is a ''it is more popular''.



Of course. Annoyed would be against breathing oxygen if it was part of the Dem's program.

You think I'm gonna use $1/bag reusables to get rid of cat litter? Not a chance in hell of that happening.
If the Democrats had their way, they'd charge us a breathing tax.

[Chaka-Z0]

You think I'm gonna use $1/bag reusables to get rid of cat litter? Not a chance in hell of that happening.
If the Democrats had their way, they'd charge us a breathing tax.

Just drop it in a dedicated trash bin outside without plastic bags? It ends up in the same exact spot dude, the landfills and biodegradable litter actually feeds the soils.

I here say we are done talking about your cats. I will also take act of GF's post and neutralize myself from this thread. When Bible leads to cat you know SatanSoros is coming.

[Gatefan1976]

Just drop it in a dedicated trash bin outside without plastic bags? It ends up in the same exact spot dude, the landfills and biodegradable litter actually feeds the soils.

I here say we are done talking about your cats. I will also take act of GF's post and neutralize myself from this thread. When Bible leads to cat you know SatanSoros is coming.

Not my desire, my intent was simply to show SG's lens. Argue the biblical that the bible itself says no one will know the time or the place of the events of revelations. This thread, by definition of that, fails. SG is assuming knowledge she is biblicaly denied by GOD.
She's playing at god, I think there are examples in the bible of people playing as god.

[Annoyed]

Just drop it in a dedicated trash bin outside without plastic bags? It ends up in the same exact spot dude, the landfills and biodegradable litter actually feeds the soils.

I here say we are done talking about your cats. I will also take act of GF's post and neutralize myself from this thread. When Bible leads to cat you know SatanSoros is coming.

Bible leads to cat? You mentioned your birds! I can't help it if your dinner is on your mind while you're typing.