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    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/1...lly/?mobile=nc
    Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) is departing the House at the end of this year, but he’s trying to force some of his odious anti-gay rhetoric into law before he goes. Earlier this year, he proposed an amendment to the defense budget that would create a “license to bully” for military personnel, essentially guaranteeing that anybody who has a problem with LGBT people can’t be disciplined for it, even if they’re engaging in blatant discrimination or harassment.

    The House passed the amendment, but the Senate didn’t give the idea any consideration. Now that the bill is in conference, Republican leaders are trying to add it back in.

    The conference is being negotiated by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon (R-CA), both of whom opposed the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) and have substantial anti-gay records. When McKeon assumed leadership of the House Armed Services Committee, he pledged to pass clean defense bills that were “not weighed down” by social issues, but for the past two years, he has done just the opposite, supporting anti-gay measures like Akin’s and others. Though none of the measures advanced by the House last year survived conference with the Senate, a House Democratic aide says McCain and McKeon are “pushing pretty hard” to get Akin’s through this year.

    OutServe-SLDN’s Allyson Robinson points out that Akin’s measure would foster the kind of unit cohesion problems Republicans incorrectly claimed DADT repeal would cause:

    ROBINSON: As a former military commander, I can tell you that allowing any service member to openly discriminate against a comrade in this way will compromise good order and discipline — the very thing supporters of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ falsely claimed was going to happen back when we repealed the law. The fact is, there are already strong protections for all service members, including chaplains, in place, and all this provision would do is create a license to discriminate. The next Secretary of Defense should not be saddled with a law that makes it harder for small unit commanders in the field to lead their troops.

    Conference negotiations for the defense budget bill have been underway for several days already, and it’s unclear when they will conclude. Hopefully Congress will find a way to support the military without endorsing mistreatment of the gay, lesbian, and bisexual troops proudly serving their country.

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      http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/06...#storylink=cpy

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        Originally posted by Seastallion View Post
        Geez. All that stuff about NASA, and nada. I think that would be a much more interesting discussion, and it is certainly a less divisive issue. Ah, well.



        I might buy that if they were using neutrally based arguments. However, people that make statements like "religion is responsible for X, Y, and Z terrible things, etc..." aren't using neutral arguments. They are using anti-religious arguments, which is different from condemning the political aspects of those that use religion as a cover. Few religions specifically advocate atrocities. A few DO, but not most.



        Yeah, but the *or were* arguments are problematic. There isn't a single person of any religious persuasion that can be blamed for anything a religious group did in the past before they were even born. They can certainly be blamed if it what was done in the past is an ongoing current thing, but not if they aren't doing those things themselves.



        True, to varying extents. The Muslim Brotherhood is certainly doing that right now. People might argue that the 'religious right' are doing that, but it would be more accurate to say they are just trying to keep things they way they had been, rather than trying to reform things radically. Hence, the description of 'Conservative'.



        Not me. You can't tie me to 'them'. I wasn't even born.



        You didn't specify any time frame. And yes, it does matter, if we're talking about current events.



        Unless your referring to the Crusades, which wasn't exactly world wide, I have no idea what you're talking about. The Crusades were fairly insulated to a specific region generally. Modern Islamic Terrorism is truly a worldwide affair, occurring on nearly every continent. Or most of them.



        How is it my job to specify certain groups and their actions, when I'm not the one calling them on it?



        Seriously? In the era of 'Leave it to Beaver' when anything even remotely seen as 'indecent' wasn't allowed in the mass media. Like I said, you had small local groups spouting their hatred and intolerance amongst their own areas, but it wasn't on the mass scale of today. Unless you count stuff like 'Green Acres' or whatever. I don't doubt that commercialism has its own share of the blame, but it was only a part of the equation. Certainly not the primary factor.



        Ideally, yeah. However, we all know that 'facts' can be misrepresented and skewed for propaganda. Usually there are a LOT of 'facts' involved and it is sometimes difficult to determine if one is seeing all the angles or 'facts' involved in something.



        Again, only if it is already loaded and ready to fire. If not, then some knowledge IS required. It might only need the safety unlocked, and if you don't even know how to do that, it is useless, unless you just want to bludgeon someone.



        Or just luck.



        Again, it depends on how much knowledge they have to use it. A caveman could pick up a knife or sword and use it without needing to know anything about it. Not necessarily so with a gun. Even a young kid has to have some knowledge on how to use it properly if they were going to attempt to shoot something, except for by accident, assuming they didn't shoot themselves first during their experimentation. And that is assuming it is already loaded.



        IF. There are many millions of gun owners that are very responsible and safety minded. Yeah, there are some irresponsible ones, and you don't even hear about most of them. Just the ones whose irresponsibility finally catches up with them. Most recent shooting case, being a prime example. Those guns should've been locked up in a safe, out of reach to anyone but the mother that owned them.



        There is little worry about any massive scale 'rebellions' against the gov't, but gangs DO claim territories, and challenge law enforcement to be able to operate in said areas. Chicago is a prime example. The military training those gangs get a hold of, merely make them more dangerous to move against.



        In this case, peaceful law abiding people who don't go around violating other people's civil rights.



        Pft. Please. Robin Hood is virtually a myth, or a legend at best. I couldn't name a single member of the Black Panthers, and other than being aware of their existence they are a footnote in history at best. Immortality?



        If we're talking about a 'bad guy' with clear intent to use it, then he should be killed first; methods may vary. It's kind of an ambiguous scenario as laid out.



        Requiring a license is one thing, banning is quite another.



        Sure, Australia is vast in its own right, but it still isn't as big as the U.S. The U.S. is the third largest nation on Earth, right behind Russia and Canada, I believe. It also has the 3rd largest population on Earth, right after China and India.



        There are really to many potential scenarios, but the point is, that sort of thing does happen sometimes. Thankfully, not too often generally speaking.



        Mostly true (with a few exceptions, like the French Foreign Legion), however not every countries citizens are truly vested with a belief in a free society. It is common place for those of us that live in free countries, but it isn't so clear for those countries that aren't so similarly blessed.



        No, but the implication was that our military had decent odds of supporting a tyrannical administration. Our military obeys the current White House, but most military people DON'T like Obama. If he, or anyone else attempted to setup a clearly dictatorial regime, they'd probably rebel against it, along with the rest of the nation itself. The point being, they may obey the 'Commander-in-Chief' but they consciously serve the nation, not the man.



        Those rights are meant to preserve the power of the people. That is why the Bill of Rights exists. The 2nd Amendment doesn't exist to allow people to hunt. It exists so that the people can take up weapons and retake their nation from the government if necessary. It was a real fear then, and it remains so today. Americans are proud of our Nation, but we are also culturally distrustful of our government too. Or at least most of us are to one degree or another. A healthy skepticism, I suppose. More than once over the last several decades we have come close to a Constitutional Convention. Personally, I think it might be necessary before too long. Always though, Congress managed to get off their butts and resolve the issues themselves, so as to not have their power taken from them by the Convention. Still, it has come close to happening a few times.


        I'd rather talk about fixing NASA though. It is a much more inspiring topic, I think.
        I give up, enjoy your "freedoms", enjoy thier "costs", I will save my pity for the innocent that suffer to protect you.
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          Originally posted by Goose View Post
          Cars: designed to get people from one place to another.
          Guns: designed to kill or injure people or other living animals.
          You wouldnt be trying to make some actual sense now would you? This is not the place.
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            Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
            I give up, enjoy your "freedoms", enjoy thier "costs", I will save my pity for the innocent that suffer to protect you.
            I'll try not to be offended by the implication. After all, I'm obviously heartless, so I might as well be emotionless as well.
            The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
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              Originally posted by mad_gater View Post
              so now it boils down to what kind of society you prefer, one where victims must cower in the corner hoping and praying that the police arrive before the criminal in question deprives him of his life, or one in which would-be victims are empowered with the natural freedom to arm themselves in defense against such aggressors? I know which one I prefer, one in which I am free to potentially turn the tables on the aggressor and see to it that he pays dearly for his rather unwise choice in targets
              I prefer living in one which doesn't have as many school shootings as yours.
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                Originally posted by Naonak View Post
                I prefer living in one which doesn't have as many school shootings as yours.
                yeah....maybe try listening to news networks that don't actively and purposefully mine the news for such tragedies and pay hardly any attention to all the much more numerous time that RESPONSIBLE use of weapons of any kind by law-abiding citizenry has helped to actually SAVE lives

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                  A FB friend of mine posted this. I loved it..!

                  To All My Liberal Friends:
                  Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2013, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.

                  To My Conservative Friends:
                  Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
                  The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
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                    Just read about another shooting, this time New York State.

                    US firefighters shot dead at blaze in Webster, New York

                    So, should the firemen be armed, too?
                    Last edited by SeaBee; 24 December 2012, 09:52 AM.
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                      Originally posted by Seastallion View Post
                      A FB friend of mine posted this. I loved it..!

                      To All My Liberal Friends:
                      Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2013, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.

                      To My Conservative Friends:
                      Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
                      I'm a liberal, atheists, environmentalist, leftist, and you know what I say to all my other friends, be they communists, Jewish, Muslim, liberals or conservatives, men or women? Happy Christmas. I know you like to think that only conservatives like to say Merry Christmas, but sorry to burst your bubble.

                      Also, Merry Christmas everyone!
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                        well, happy holi-days.. amazing how it's the same word (holidays), yet the meaning slightly changes.
                        The secularists will have to come up with a new name..

                        Seasons greetings! =)
                        love the natural snow blanketed pine trees (it's Christmas all winter!)

                        PS-- We've got the White Christmas already. It can stop snowing any time now.. don't need the 24 inch deep stuff.. a little white covering is enough for this year. hint, hint!
                        btw, Vacation days are to be enjoyed, not to WORK in (back-breaking) hard labor..! (except for ~maybe~ the cooking)

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                          Originally posted by Goose View Post
                          I'm a liberal, atheists, environmentalist, leftist, and you know what I say to all my other friends, be they communists, Jewish, Muslim, liberals or conservatives, men or women? Happy Christmas. I know you like to think that only conservatives like to say Merry Christmas, but sorry to burst your bubble.

                          Also, Merry Christmas everyone!
                          Yes, I agree. Not everyone is having a crisis of cultural and political identity. The ones that do, are to me, just being absurd. In this country in particular, over 80% of the population claims to be Christian, so as far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't harm the other 20% to chill out a bit even if it isn't their thing. They of course, completely have the freedom to celebrate the season as they wish (or not), but no one needs to be a 'stick in the mud', and ruin everyone else's fun.

                          So, again, Merry Christmas..!
                          The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
                          Spoiler:

                          To all the 'Sci & Tech' forum users: If you are searching for a thread about your topic of interest, please come visit our Concordance Thread. If you have any questions, we will attempt to help you.
                          http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=26498

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                            Originally posted by SeaBee View Post
                            Just read about another shooting, this time New York State.

                            US firefighters shot dead at blaze in Webster, New York

                            So, should the firemen be armed, too?
                            they are....those fire hoses spray water at pretty high pressures....

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                              Originally posted by SGalisa View Post
                              well, happy holi-days.. amazing how it's the same word (holidays), yet the meaning slightly changes.
                              The secularists will have to come up with a new name..
                              Sorry, that would be the other way around since Christianity stole the pagan feast of yule in order to progress their own agenda and convert the masses.
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                                Originally posted by SGalisa View Post
                                well, happy holi-days.. amazing how it's the same word (holidays), yet the meaning slightly changes.
                                The secularists will have to come up with a new name..

                                Seasons greetings! =)
                                love the natural snow blanketed pine trees (it's Christmas all winter!)

                                Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post
                                Sorry, that would be the other way around since Christianity stole the pagan feast of yule in order to progress their own agenda and convert the masses.
                                well, I did *not* specify who's "holi-day" it was referring to, because everyone somewhere on this planet has their own "holi-day" or holiday.
                                I left plenty of room for that, but disagree on the origin of true Christ*mas spirit.

                                Roman Emperor Constantine corrupted any original celebrations remembering the "birth of Jesus" when he (Constantine) morphed his pagan stuff into his new fangled Christianity. He did it for political reasons, not because he actually believed in the *Christian* faith.
                                Also, 2 different hardcopy paper books that I found in the Library, long before the internet existed, showed what Constantine saw in his vision (which he claimed was a sign to him to win one of his major battles) --was not a Christian "cross" but an Egyptian ankh (T with circle at top). Anyway, it was Constantine who *birthed* the Catholic Church, not Peter--the guy who actually walked with Jesus, almost 300 years before then.


                                Anywho... sidenote.. To me personally, because I was raised on faithfully watching "Rudolph, the red-nosed Reindeer" every year, snow will always be associated with Christmas.. So will any WINTER fog..! (where's that elusive Rudolph when {generic} you need him the most?! =) thus the entire winter with snow covering somewhere will always be Christmas to me. It's just changed its meaning over the years to include "ChrisT-mas" and that is regardless if it was 70 or 80 degrees F. when and where Jesus of Nazareth was born or not; and whether or not he was actually placed into a food trough/manger in a farm stall. Details don't matter, because I wasn't there. I just know what it's like to work in a barn stall.. not the most pleasant place to be, even for the animals, but they haven't yet *evolved* to complain and build their own luxury stalls.

                                Pine trees with snow gently covering them will always be "Christmas" trees to me, because that's what we had for decorations on our own tree (at my parents' house), plus the miniature snow villages, knicknamed as Christmas villages of old --because the winter figurines were all dressed in 1800's style clothes.


                                In the political world ---
                                "Father Christmas" (i.e., Grandfather Frost) got booted off the air in Uzbekistan--
                                (link below is broken. Please remove B L A N K spaces in beginning of web address to access article/link for complete details)

                                "Father Christmas off air in Uzbekistan"
                                By Rustam Qobil
                                BBC Uzbek
                                24 December 2012 Last updated at 19:09 ET

                                http : // www .bbc. co. uk/news/20701831

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