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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostNo "gun regulation" proponent I have EVER dealt with has a problem with FARMERS having GUNS on thier FARMS. they get "itchy" when the FARMER wants to bring his SEMI-AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON to TOWN.
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostNo "gun regulation" proponent I have EVER dealt with has a problem with FARMERS having GUNS on thier FARMS. they get "itchy" when the FARMER wants to bring his SEMI-AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON to TOWN.Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostWhy would they? I think the farmer would find it very hard to be armed when they have all guns taken from them and all guns banned to where they will not buy one. No one would say 'lets go after the farmers and get their guns' instead they say 'lets get rid of all guns'.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Originally posted by lordofseas View PostNo one says get rid of all guns. People say, "Get rid of the weapons designed for a Marine, not a farmer."
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostWhy would they? I think the farmer would find it very hard to be armed when they have all guns taken from them and all guns banned to where they will not buy one. No one would say 'lets go after the farmers and get their guns' instead they say 'lets get rid of all guns'.
As LoS said, get rid of the military grade weapons.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by lordofseas View PostNo one says get rid of all guns. People say, "Get rid of the weapons designed for a Marine, not a farmer."
My dad doesn't generally take his guns into town with him, but you'd have a real fight on your hands if you tried to take his guns or those of his neighbors either. They all live out in the country, and they can't depend on the cops. Even people that live in the city can't necessarily depend on the cops. One could make the argument that if there had been an armed guard at the school, the shooting might have been prevented, but it is hard to say. It would depend on the chain of events, that can't be entirely predicted. Maybe if there had been a couple of armed guards, the outcome would be more likely different. One to back up the other, just in case.The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostYes they do, and its just as stupid as people saying allow all guns.
As LoS said, get rid of the military grade weapons.
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostActually people do say get rid of all guns.
Originally posted by Seastallion View PostMy dad lives on a farm (He's a retired Navy Chief), and he has 2 AR-15's, along with several other guns. He always at least takes his revolver with him anytime he goes out on his tractor. He keeps the AR-15's for protection against both, the wild dogs, and intruders. He lives way out in the country, on the edge of a National Forest. The cops aren't going to be there to help him if someone (or something) messes with him. The shooter in CT today, apparently had two handguns and one AR-15 rifle.
My dad doesn't generally take his guns into town with him, but you'd have a real fight on your hands if you tried to take his guns or those of his neighbors either. They all live out in the country, and they can't depend on the cops. Even people that live in the city can't necessarily depend on the cops. One could make the argument that if there had been an armed guard at the school, the shooting might have been prevented, but it is hard to say. It would depend on the chain of events, that can't be entirely predicted. Maybe if there had been a couple of armed guards, the outcome would be more likely different. One to back up the other, just in case.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostI think by and large market forces should do that and not Government regulations. Most people i know just can't afford to go out and buy an Abrams tank.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Originally posted by lordofseas View PostAnd if someone was able to afford one, they should be allowed to buy it? This is the problem. I like capitalism. It's great. But when you place Capitalism at a higher value than the lives of others, that's morally repugnant.
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostI think by and large market forces should do that and not Government regulations
more reasonable measures would be things like metal detectors, and as already mentioned, training & psychiatric evals to weed out the rotten candidates
heavier weapons (automatics etc.) should also necessitate a licence. just like driving a car
Originally posted by Seastallion View PostYou have to admit, you're being a little wishy-washy here. So you would be fine with on scene death by cop if the crime is bad enough? But not the death penalty after a trial to determine guilt? Sounds like your saying you'd be fine with Judge Dredd crime scene executions.
if someone really has to be executed (ie. if people want blood) then the judiciary alone should decide this, not the executive. capital punishment is bad enough, let alone summary execution. if anything, 'Judge Dredd' - suppression of the separation of powers, generally speaking - is much more in line with neoconservative doctrine
Death Penalty (like abortions) should be rare, but they ARE a valid punishment, so long as the proper steps have been taken. Granted, DNA testing has helped to make such trials more accurate, but there are cases where DNA testing would be irrelevant, since guilt is a completely forgone conclusion. The guy that shot up the theater in Colorado would be a good example. Yes, he still needs a trial, but I think he'd be a candidate for the death penalty. His odds of ever getting out of prison are VERY minimal.
cases like the Colorado shooter are an Exceptional Exception. add dictators & war criminals to the list and it's still negligible
as I said if he were sentenced to be executed I wouldn't go out of my way to annul this. as a judge I wouldn't sign his death warrant, but I doubt I'd grant a pardon (eg. as a governor) if a court slapped the death sentence on him
I dunno... scientist seem to think they know what 'life' is. That is pretty secular.
yup, it depends on the definition
they're basically talking about biological life (this at least can be defined even if opinions may differ so there's nothing preposterous about that), not Life
there are also several problems with the definition they seek to impose (some of it almost cries 'Texas Marksman') but ultimately it's their point of view
I'm not too particular about the public or private thing. Although Metal Detectors would be pretty expensive. I think they'd be fine for inner city schools, but I don't think it is very practical for schools in small towns and such.Last edited by SoulReaver; 15 December 2012, 08:25 AM.
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostFascinating premise. And sure they should be allowed to buy it. But then to actually need to harm someone else one then needs a combination of ammo, which is very very expensive, and jet fuel...which is very very expensive...to...well do anything. A tank, by itself, does nothing. They are costly beasts that need a huge willpower and a lot of logistics to actually utilize. They would make the perfect lawn ornament I think.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Originally posted by SoulReaver View Postcool, business tycoons could buy nukes :|
more reasonable measures would be things like metal detectors, and as already mentioned, training & psychiatric evals to weed out the rotten candidates
heavier weapons (automatics etc.) should also necessitate a licence. just like driving a car
And again nukes are very expensive things. But no, I do not think anyone should be able to buy nukes, that is where I draw the line. Well any WMD actually.
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Originally posted by lordofseas View PostWhat is this, a horror movie? He has training, great. So he should be allowed to carry, if he wants, a firearm to protect himself. I have absolutely no qualms with that. But ask yourself, does he really need a semi-automatic weapon? Much less the civilian equivalent to the M16? Seriously? Is America that lawless that people need weapons that are used in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect themselves?The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
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