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[Annoyed]

And the baby is gonna hold his breath waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaa Where's my wall?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/29/p...eze/index.html


So much winning

That article isn't even about the wall. It's about a payroll freeze for federal employees.

Do you realize how well most federal employees are (over)compensated? Most of them make far more than the taxpayers whose taxes pay their salaries.

[Gatefan1976]

That article isn't even about the wall. It's about a payroll freeze for federal employees.

The ONLY reason you are in shutdown is BECAUSE of trump wanting the wall, it is the causative root of the issue.

Do you realize how well most federal employees are (over)compensated? Most of them make far more than the taxpayers whose taxes pay their salaries.

Hang on.
You are PO'ed because federal employees have mandated salary rises to match inflation, and the private sector does not?
ROFLMFAO!!!
They are NOT "overcompensated" for anything, they just have the unions and federal law which you piss on at every turn to protect your backwards notion of "free trade" and "free market"
You voted for inferior pay, don't blame the people who demanded better.
Oh and while YOU get your pay, poor as it may be, they don't, but they still have to work. Would you go to work for a week, or a month without pay?
Could you survive with no income for a month? 2 months?
Even with the promise of getting a huge lump sum assuming congress approves it, would your bank, or car dealership, or whatever defer the loan repayments for free?
The real issue here is not, "not getting paid", it's cashflow, and most people have very little spare cashflow or savings, and it's not their fault.

[Annoyed]

The ONLY reason you are in shutdown is BECAUSE of trump wanting the wall, it is the causative root of the issue.

Hang on.
You are PO'ed because federal employees have mandated salary rises to match inflation, and the private sector does not?
ROFLMFAO!!!
They are NOT "overcompensated" for anything, they just have the unions and federal law which you piss on at every turn to protect your backwards notion of "free trade" and "free market"
You voted for inferior pay, don't blame the people who demanded better.
Oh and while YOU get your pay, poor as it may be, they don't, but they still have to work. Would you go to work for a week, or a month without pay?
Could you survive with no income for a month? 2 months?
Even with the promise of getting a huge lump sum assuming congress approves it, would your bank, or car dealership, or whatever defer the loan repayments for free?
The real issue here is not, "not getting paid", it's cashflow, and most people have very little spare cashflow or savings, and it's not their fault.

Well, you see, from my perspective, we have a shutdown because the Democrats won't fund the wall.

This boils down to a very simple question. Do you want to fix the problem on the southern border or do you not want to fix it.
Myself, I'm in favor of fixing it. However, the votes aren't there to do so because many pols, on BOTH sides don't want to really fix it, all they want to do is pay lip service to the problem. A wall would effectively bar illegals from sneaking across the border, which is why they oppose it. They don't really want to stem the tide.

And haven't I said many times that I oppose unionization of the public sector? I have no problem with unions in the private sector, if they price themselves too high, I can buy another company's product. I can't do that with the govt.

[SoulReaver]

Well, you see, from my perspective, we have a shutdown because the Democrats won't fund the wall.

and from the robber's perspective you were shot because you didn't give him the $

And haven't I said many times that I oppose unionization of the public sector?

including police unions? (the only public sector unions with real power in your country)

[Gatefan1976]

Well, you see, from my perspective, we have a shutdown because the Democrats won't fund the wall.

They are not in power, have not been in power for the entirety of the trump presidency. You argue that you have the votes to push any judicial nominee through and the democrats don't matter, but with anything else, it's their fault?

This boils down to a very simple question. Do you want to fix the problem on the southern border or do you not want to fix it.
Myself, I'm in favor of fixing it. However, the votes aren't there to do so because many pols, on BOTH sides don't want to really fix it, all they want to do is pay lip service to the problem. A wall would effectively bar illegals from sneaking across the border, which is why they oppose it. They don't really want to stem the tide.

What problem?
It isn't immigration, legal or otherwise. Most illegals FLY in and overstay.
Drugs? Shipping and planes do the majority of that as well.
So, what problem?
Democrats were willing to give trump almost 5 times what he is currently asking for, just not for something useless like a wall.

And haven't I said many times that I oppose unionization of the public sector? I have no problem with unions in the private sector, if they price themselves too high, I can buy another company's product. I can't do that with the govt.

You oppose all unionism, and it's blatantly clear. The public sector ones just stick in your craw more because they haven't been effectively dismantled.

Oh, and you did not answer a single question.

[Coco Pops]

How can you blame the Democrats for not funding this vanity project when they are not in power?

It is a pure vanity project

[SGalisa]

How can you blame the Democrats for not funding this vanity project when they are not in power?

It is a pure vanity project

The Democrats WANT "OPEN Borders... they believe (bringing in NEW people) it will get them more votes, and perhaps (eventually) help add extra pay to their gov't job salaries (via IRS payments from civilians into their elected pockets). Everyone who supports the "Open Borders" perspective is supporting the whole Democratic agenda in this sense, whether they realize it or not... so it's been stated over and over on the radio, Tv, in the news, etc. This "Open Borders" agenda is also part of the NWO or global initiative/gov't; which is being pushed into operations around the globe.

Nothing wrong with bringing the world together and uniting us as a WHOLE planet. However, it's the *politics* behind everything that stinks. UN is focusing on a 2030 agenda now. They (the UN) WANT the whole world united in less than 12 years... but it's what happens to societies as a whole (where the money comes from and goes to), that is causing potential problems, since many supporting the Democratic agenda also claim *freebies* for all... but fail to see or work out positive results for what happens when the finances run out (thus, they will be prone into repeating history with socialism and communism failures... or most forms of societies that have failed for *whatever* the reason).

...side-thoughts...
*Ideal* worlds will never work out under mankind's current bent on life--who lives, who dies, who gets privileges, etc. Out of 6000 to 10,000 years of recorded history, which system has ever worked the best with the least amount of problems? Add in technology and current issues with the planet's material supplies and clean land/water and clean air, etc., and that is another factor to consider into the equation of peaceful and healthy living *everywhere*.
And then, there is also that age-old threat of *Who* wants to be #1 on the planet. As an Aggressor, or Neutral and passively pleasant Overseer? Too many unhappy souls on this planet who get their jollies and "kicks" from going to war with one another.

As for *WHO* is currently in office screwing up Trump's POTUS work efforts...
The "Republican" RINO's are (and have been) Democrats (at heart) using the name "Republican" (or *conservative* goals) for disguise. Traits often reveal these people to campaign promising the opposite of what they actually end up doing once they get into office, and that includes those who were not being manipulated into doing so.
They've been doing this for years, and will continue to do so until there is no more "Republican" party. It's sort of the USA's political trojan horse, and been in use for decades. Don't know too many dedicated Republicans who have changed over to the Democrat side.

John McCain was a RINO... voted to side with the Democrats when an "agenda" or issue supported the Democrat side/vote.
Lots of other RINOs being blamed for upsetting the voting process and amendments of various regulations/laws.

NYC's Mayor Michael Bloomberg posed as a Republican during his reign as Mayor to get elected into the office as Mayor of NYC, but often supported Democrat agendas/issues. He has now switched back to Democrat to possibly campaign for the 2020 USA President seat.

Former Mayor Michael Bloomberg's history is as noted--(per wikipedia)
born: February 14, 1942 in Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.
Political party Democratic (before 2001, 2018–present)
Other political affiliations: Republican (2001–2007)
Independent: (2007–2018)

Being a *Democrat* is his true colors/self. There are many others that others on this forum topic could list who also follow that same RINO/Demo pattern.

[Annoyed]

The Democrats WANT "OPEN Borders... they believe (bringing in NEW people) it will get them more votes, and perhaps (eventually) help add extra pay to their gov't job salaries (via IRS payments from civilians into their elected pockets). Everyone who supports the "Open Borders" perspective is supporting the whole Democratic agenda in this sense, whether they realize it or not... so it's been stated over and over on the radio, Tv, in the news, etc. This "Open Borders" agenda is also part of the NWO or global initiative/gov't; which is being pushed into operations around the globe.

Nothing wrong with bringing the world together and uniting us as a WHOLE planet. However, it's the *politics* behind everything that stinks. UN is focusing on a 2030 agenda now. They (the UN) WANT the whole world united in less than 12 years... but it's what happens to societies as a whole (where the money comes from and goes to), that is causing potential problems, since many supporting the Democratic agenda also claim *freebies* for all... but fail to see or work out positive results for what happens when the finances run out (thus, they will be prone into repeating history with socialism and communism failures... or most forms of societies that have failed for *whatever* the reason).

...side-thoughts...
*Ideal* worlds will never work out under mankind's current bent on life--who lives, who dies, who gets privileges, etc. Out of 6000 to 10,000 years of recorded history, which system has ever worked the best with the least amount of problems? Add in technology and current issues with the planet's material supplies and clean land/water and clean air, etc., and that is another factor to consider into the equation of peaceful and healthy living *everywhere*.
And then, there is also that age-old threat of *Who* wants to be #1 on the planet. As an Aggressor, or Neutral and passively pleasant Overseer? Too many unhappy souls on this planet who get their jollies and "kicks" from going to war with one another.

As for *WHO* is currently in office screwing up Trump's POTUS work efforts...
The "Republican" RINO's are (and have been) Democrats (at heart) using the name "Republican" (or *conservative* goals) for disguise. Traits often reveal these people to campaign promising the opposite of what they actually end up doing once they get into office, and that includes those who were not being manipulated into doing so.
They've been doing this for years, and will continue to do so until there is no more "Republican" party. It's sort of the USA's political trojan horse, and been in use for decades. Don't know too many dedicated Republicans who have changed over to the Democrat side.

John McCain was a RINO... voted to side with the Democrats when an "agenda" or issue supported the Democrat side/vote.
Lots of other RINOs being blamed for upsetting the voting process and amendments of various regulations/laws.

NYC's Mayor Michael Bloomberg posed as a Republican during his reign as Mayor to get elected into the office as Mayor of NYC, but often supported Democrat agendas/issues. He has now switched back to Democrat to possibly campaign for the 2020 USA President seat.

Former Mayor Michael Bloomberg's history is as noted--(per wikipedia)
born: February 14, 1942 in Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.
Political party Democratic (before 2001, 2018–present)
Other political affiliations: Republican (2001–2007)
Independent: (2007–2018)

Being a *Democrat* is his true colors/self. There are many others that others on this forum topic could list who also follow that same RINO/Demo pattern.

Some Republicans have another reason for not wanting to secure the border. Republicans tend to kowtow to business, and many business interests want a ready supply of illegals that they can pay substandard wages to.

[jelgate]

Their is another reason. A wall will do little to nothing on protecting the border. But the facts would prove Trump's ranting wrong. Can't have facts saying that.

RINOs is just an attempt to insult moderates by people who only see politics as an us vs them

[Chaka-Z0]

The Democrats WANT "OPEN Borders... they believe (bringing in NEW people)

Incorrect. The Dems actually offered 5 times what Trump wanted for border security, only not a penny for the Wall (should we capitalize it now?)

Nothing wrong with bringing the world together and uniting us as a WHOLE planet. However, it's the *politics* behind everything that stinks. UN is focusing on a 2030 agenda now. They (the UN) WANT the whole world united in less than 12 years...

Maybe you're mistaking this with global coordination - having an unified approach to issues that affect the globe, such as the environment or refugees? That's not going full Koombaya as you seem to describe.

As for *WHO* is currently in office screwing up Trump's POTUS work efforts...
[COLOR="#0000FF"]The "Republican" RINO's are (and have been) Democrats (at heart) using the name "Republican" (or *conservative* goals) for disguise.

Leaving partisanship aside to support laws that benefits society as a whole is a bad thing to you?

John McCain was a RINO... voted to side with the Democrats when an "agenda" or issue supported the Democrat side/vote.
Lots of other RINOs being blamed for upsetting the voting process and amendments of various regulations/laws.

McCain did more for his country than the band of clowns occupying the WH right now. This is how every politician should be. Ideals should not remain fixed in time, they should evolve with the world. I'd rather follow a guy that slams the door due to a conflict of conscience than a tool that only cares about donation money.

Being a *Democrat* is his true colors/self. There are many others that others on this forum topic could list who also follow that same RINO/Demo pattern.

What do you expect from a 2 party system? There is not only two way to see the world you know.

[Gatefan1976]

Incorrect. The Dems actually offered 5 times what Trump wanted for border security, only not a penny for the Wall (should we capitalize it now?)

Yep.
The WALL will do 2 things, and jack just left town.

Maybe you're mistaking this with global coordination - having an unified approach to issues that affect the globe, such as the environment or refugees? That's not going full Koombaya as you seem to describe.

But to her mind, it is, and always will be. SG conflates politics with religion all the time.

Leaving partisanship aside to support laws that benefits society as a whole is a bad thing to you?

Yep.

McCain did more for his country than the band of clowns occupying the WH right now. This is how every politician should be. Ideals should not remain fixed in time, they should evolve with the world. I'd rather follow a guy that slams the door due to a conflict of conscience than a tool that only cares about donation money.

McCain was a douche who had the guts to fight, I'll not take away his service, but he put the country back politically until he realised he was a douche.

What do you expect from a 2 party system? There is not only two way to see the world you know.

She has a 1 party view, forget two.

[Annoyed]

Maybe you're mistaking this with global coordination - having an unified approach to issues that affect the globe, such as the environment or refugees? That's not going full Koombaya as you seem to describe.

"global coordination" always seems to involve the US picking up the burden; paying for environmental changes or accepting unlimited refugees.

How about this? We send all refugees to Canada, and the US can bill Canada for all their environmental crap, too.

[jelgate]

My hypobole alarm is going off

[Chaka-Z0]

"global coordination" always seems to involve the US picking up the burden; paying for environmental changes or accepting unlimited refugees.

How about this? We send all refugees to Canada, and the US can bill Canada for all their environmental crap, too.

Germany took millions in during the peak of the crisis.

[Annoyed]

Germany took millions in during the peak of the crisis.

What about Canada? What about your country? Do you guys want to pay the welfare/social services costs for all these folks?