The Political Discussion Thread

[Gatefan1976]

Speak for yourself. I have a steady job. My sister has a steady office job working for a law firm. My brother is a well paid computer networking guy. My parents are immigrants that came here with nothing but the cloths on their backs during the late Reagan years and managed to build a family and a home during the Clinton years and send their three kids to college during the Bush years. Jobs are out there for those who truly want them and if they aren't in your area there is one solution my parents tried (and undoubtedly your ancestors did the same thing) and that solution is to simply move to where there are jobs to be had. I may not say that back in 2009, but today the job market is supper healthy to the point where we are getting close to triggering inflation.

So your immigrant family has stolen 4 or more jobs!!!
You bastard!!

Even if everything was made in the USA automation would mean that there'd still be a whole lot less jobs in manufacturing more than in the 40's and 50's. By the 70's the US was importing more stuff. That's why Womble calls them "Zombie jobs" because we will never ever ever get the same number of jobs from manufacturing unless we enact luddite laws and even then we still wouldn't because this would be our national anthem.

Math is hard...……….

One reason why we have less money is that prices have increased at a rate that outpace wage increases, and keep in mind that our wage increases are rather on the low end for a host of other countries. In fact the us ranks rather low like in the bottom 20.

Plus, they want to demolish minimum wage outright, which will only drive them lower.
Oh, and that's a "win"....

Then these tariffs would actually just make the low priced stuff more expensive, so congratulations not only are American made stuff going to be still expensive, now everything else is also going to be just as expensive because tariff don't lower domestic prices!

This sense is hurting my brain, stop it!!

Let's say a pair of shoes that are imported cost $20 And an American made pair of shoes of similar quality and style that cost $25. A Shoe tariff would have to raise the imported Shoes to $25.01 so that you'd be more inclined to buy the "cheaper" shoes. Only problem is that you still have to pay $25.00, you're not saving anything. Any wage increase you could get in the short run is canceled away by the increase in spending you have to do.

IT HURTS!!!

Notice you didn't mention anything about maintaining wages or price controls or jobs...yet that's what you and and your comrade Annoyed are advocating the glorious people's state to do.

Were you expecting actual facts?

Insurance companies also had a play at it by trying to get people to use the doctors less for preventative care. Then they use their money to get congress to pass laws that make it harder for patients to do some price comparisons. Pricing is so mysterious that the doctors themselve don't know how much something cost.

I like single payer, even MG admitted that a two system payer and payee system works better, but don't tell him that's socialist, he'll want more steps involved.

Parochial schools, not charter schools which are really subpar when compared to public schools.

So are a lot of private schools for K-12.

My dad constantly tells me how his boss wants more workers yet the only ones he gets are immigrants, and he pays well above minimum wage too and is pretty liberal with time off. But you are also forgetting that their relative buy American goods and services so it actually helps our export market...

This is beyond a talking point and requires actual knowledge.
Don't hold your breath on a coherent answer, or you may need 3rd party insurance...….

Those foreigners!!!!

They wrecked my life by stealing the job I would never consider.
We need to end it now!!!

[mad_gater]

in large part, you can thank the legal profession for the astounding cost of routine, maintenance health care. All the malpractice insurance and the documentation, unneeded tests and documentation required to defend a malpractice suit which in most cases is just some lawyer telling a patient they just hit the lottery. No, screw-up doctors should not be given a pass, but the legal profession has driven their costs through the roof.

But as long as the rich lawyers get richer, who cares, right?



Actually, I think the govt. should be responsible for basic education, K-12 for example. And that education should be sufficient to attain middle class levels of employment. And in many cases, it does, as far as learned skills and knowledge go.

But our extremely overpriced secondary education system has so successfully oversold business on the value of their very expensive product to the point where it's almost mandatory to have a sheepskin to flip burgers.

But, our well-to-do education industry gets richer, so who cares?



Of course, anyone with the sense God promised a doorknob can see what has happened to our labor markets over the past few decades. But the very well paid "experts", many of whom are ensconced in the aforementioned overpriced halls of academia always tell us different, while they're living very comfortable lives, often on the taxpayer's dime in one fashion or another, squirreling money away for retirements that very few private sector workers will ever be able to see the likes of.
And of course, the executives and owners of international companies support these deals do very well under them.

Notice the common thread here?

to borrow and modify a meme I've seen in my feed: "I saw a movie where the government assumed responsibility for education. It was called 'Schindler's List'"

Allowing the government to control what education children receive generally does not lead to anything good.

[AleksisMi]

techniquely corporations steal resources from countries and the people of those countries :/

[AleksisMi]

then they sell those resources back to the people requireing the people to work jobs for corporations to afford to get back their natural resources

[Coco Pops]

Did anyone catch the names of the people Sarah Sanders read on on TV?

They're all gonna get the chop because they said mean things.

[Annoyed]

to borrow and modify a meme I've seen in my feed: "I saw a movie where the government assumed responsibility for education. It was called 'Schindler's List'"

Allowing the government to control what education children receive generally does not lead to anything good.

Well, the idea was LOCAL control; that's why school boards and such are all local. Then the federal govt. stuck its nose in (or was invited in in order to get federal cash). The feds ought to butt out of education altogether, but that will never happen.

[Annoyed]

techniquely corporations steal resources from countries and the people of those countries :/

then they sell those resources back to the people requireing the people to work jobs for corporations to afford to get back their natural resources

How do you figure they steal them? A company has to BUY the raw materials used to make its product, or grow them, in the case of food / farm businesses. They either buy the food from farmers, or buy the land to grow it on themselves.

[Chaka-Z0]

Well, the idea was LOCAL control; that's why school boards and such are all local. Then the federal govt. stuck its nose in (or was invited in in order to get federal cash). The feds ought to butt out of education altogether, but that will never happen.

Troll much? Locally controlled education? What year is this, 1805? Let's give the village priests a call and ask 'em to come back to teach the poor peasants the ways of God.

1 word: Equivalency

[Annoyed]

Troll much? Locally controlled education? What year is this, 1805? Let's give the village priests a call and ask 'em to come back to teach the poor peasants the ways of God.

1 word: Equivalency

Dunno about the land of Molson beer, but in the US, school districts/management were originally set up under local control. Local school boards, responsible to local voters and such. Starting in the 50's and 60's, the feds started usurping their authority.

[Chaka-Z0]

Dunno about the land of Molson beer,

...but in the US, school districts/management were originally set up under local control. Local school boards, responsible to local voters and such. Starting in the 50's and 60's, the feds started usurping their authority.

It was pretty much the same here, even worse in some cases since the Church had control over most schools and local villages until the late 60s here in Québec.

Now, as for your ''good ol' days'', let's sit down together and read an overview of the 50s education system in the US. These were the days prior to these ''usurpers'' (Game of thrones?).

The content of the curriculum in public schools changed dramatically during the decade. At first, progressive-minded educators focused more on a student's emotional, physical, and mental development, at the expense of developing such basic skills as reading, writing, and mathematics. The 1957 launching by the Soviet Union of the Sputnik orbiting satellite was a sobering jolt to educators. The Sputnik launch was seen as proof that the United States was lagging behind the Soviets in the space race, and educators began refocusing on basic learning skills, especially in math and science. SOURCE

Do I need say more? You know there's something wrong with your education system when the commies are ahead of your society in sciences.
EDIT
If I was a US citizen, under the local administration of an ultra-conservative village for instance, my child could learn about Jesus and God's merry band all day long and end-up being a total idiot when it comes to real life application of practical and useful knowledge. The opposite is just as bad. My Brother, Billy-Bob McBobby-Billy-Bill, that lives in a more progressive state, could see his offspring learn about how to be a ''good person'' and talk about feelings all day, which is just as bad.

Still think it's a good idea to have custom education all around or are you simply nostalgic?

[Annoyed]

Still think it's a good idea to have custom education all around or are you simply nostalgic?

Government that is closest to the people is best.

[Chaka-Z0]

Government that is closest to the people is best.

Coming from you, I must say I've almost fell off my chair reading this comment.

[Annoyed]

Ok, at the behest of the Boston Globe, it seems that the media is declaring war on Trump, at least for today.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/16/opini...mon/index.html

The CNN article, however tells the biggest problem with journalism today in the very first paragraph.

(CNN)The average American journalist doesn't cover the White House. She is probably overworked, underpaid and frustrated that her stories don't have more of an impact. The average journalist is not powerful. But the media? Well, that's another matter.

It's not the media's place to have an impact on the news. It's the media's place to report it, that is all.

[aretood2]

to borrow and modify a meme I've seen in my feed: "I saw a movie where the government assumed responsibility for education. It was called 'Schindler's List'"

Allowing the government to control what education children receive generally does not lead to anything good.

Except the rise of Nazis had nothing to do with education, as in who controlled it...kinda ruins that point huh?

Dunno about the land of Molson beer, but in the US, school districts/management were originally set up under local control. Local school boards, responsible to local voters and such. Starting in the 50's and 60's, the feds started usurping their authority.

Education in the US before that time wasn't all that good at all. Sure some areas had superb schools, but a lot of places didn't provide valuable education beyond reading, writing, "feelings", and math no higher than pre-algebra. Teaching strategies also were no good and outdated, and a wide portion of the American population didn't have access to proper schooling facilities. They went to school in what amounted to school houses with too little of everything.

Government that is closest to the people is best.

That didn't work out well for African Americans under Jim Crow south. It was the government that was closest that oppressed them, it was DC that sent troops to protect them in Little Rock. It was the federal government that enforced voting rights. It was the federal government that sent US Marshals to protect the freedom riders. The problem with that little axiom is that in practice it doesn't always hold to be true.

And another point...what was that thing you like to say about liberals? Oh yeah, you have to work with the world you have not the one you want. Is that how it goes? It's your words so you'll have to correct me.

[aretood2]

Oh look this is just hilarious

Haha ha ha ha

Who would have thought that some of these brave alt righters live at home with mummy and daddy

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...kessler-father

and more here

https://twitter.com/FlyingOverTr0ut/...83063036473344

I recently saw an awesome youtube vlog (Linked here) on Charlottesville regarding the last time the neo-Nazis did their thing (Let's agree to call a spade a spade, shall we?). So his video shows how and why the violence took place, uses neo-nazi videos and clips and reports about the police response to put it all together. And here are some of the things he saw:

1. The Police messed up and didn't communicate well enough for protestors and counter protesters to organize correctly.
2. Guest speakers purposefully abandoned their secure routes and police escorts to create conflicts with the counter protesters
3. Neo-Nazis purposefully sought out to provoke and block the path of counter protestors trying to find their correct location (once again police mess ups).
4. Some organizers have records of assault (I don't remember if it is during this or before but at least one of them assaulted people with pepper spray and got charged for it).
5. Many of the chants would have made hitler blush and the conversations they had amongst each other were clearly Nazi conversations involving mocking and impersonating stereotypical Jews and no one objected...other than counter protesters of course.
6. Several of them expressed admiration for David Duke and Dylan Roof, the terrorist (remember, calling a spade a spade) who shot up a church.

And how after that rally many Neo-Nazi apologists claimed that they were peaceful, and victims and totally not Nazis.


Also chants that were done included saying things like "White lives matter" and then right after that "Black lives splatter". As well as "The Jews will not replace us" all while also saying "Proud to be white".

Trump's response last year was in defense of that trying to show that they too were victims...

Edit: Read some of the youtube video comments. A bunch of people posting how they changed from that. I figure it's important to remember that many who get swept up in that insanity can come back and do come back. They can be reasoned with and outgrow that crap.