The Political Discussion Thread

[Womble]

God damn, check out Alex Jones' latest vid on facebook "Emergency! Hillary Plans to Steal Election From Trump": https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEm...4375665798459/

I know Alex hypes things up but I still think he is hitting it out the park recently. Some serious stuff going down!

Seek help. Seriously.

[Falcon Horus]

Feeling embarrassed for someone else. I'm sure you will turn that into an insult against me somehow

Okay, whatever.
Forget I asked if you can't be bothered with a normal answer.

I am a nationalist...

Translation: I vote UKIP.

It amazes me that most of the people on my ignore list are republicants. I blocked them long before I saw them vehemently spewing vile, vitriolic venom! Makes my GW experience much better!

Most?

No, the difference is that Trump was able to win, and Sanders wasn't, because of promises made 8 years ago.

Or because America is simply not ready for "socialist" Bernie.

Seek help. Seriously.

We fight a lot, but occasionally we agree on matters - this one, I agree with.

[garhkal]

Ummm...............
Are you asking for big government to step on states rights?

Laws on who can work/illegal immigration though are NOT a states right, they are expressly in the federal's ball park.

Maybe that has something to do with their having a difficult time climbing out of poverty?

Exactly. More kids they can't afford, so less likely to pull themselves out..

Interested in the history and archaeology of Mesopotamia.
And what's not to love about learning Cuneiform and Arameic.

Hey, I started out with archaeology too.

SO, shall we start calling you Daniel Jackson JR??

The machete attack was a crime of passion, and the other was a depressed refugee who's asylum had been declined and was asked to leave the country. He blew himself up outside of a winebar, killing himself and injuring a dozen people.

Strange, since ISIS is claiming his attack was inspired by them, and that he has been a loyal soldier..

Don't expect suicide bombers (the new normal in Europe) to be covered unless they actually kill someone other than themselves

And just now an attack on a church in France where a priest was beheaded by islamists. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ch-church.html

That makes what, 8+ attacks this year alone??

RNC ? United? Same sentence? Not this year.

With the Email revelations, i can see that also applying to the DNC!

Forbidding entire groups of people from entering the US is also illegal here.

Guess again Aretood.. Chapter 2 Section 212 of the 1952 Immigration law, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States.

Yeah, that's weird. You should know that I don't consider immigrants and refugees to be in the same camp (pun, deal with it).

Many others do though..

Like I have said in the past. There are plenty of farmers in my area who pay decent wages for the work. Yet I have seen zero natural born citizens apply much less work for them, with the exception of some first generation Americans. I myself have made healthy amounts of money working the fields during the summers as I went to school. I made loads more than anyone working in retail. It doesn't compete with jobs that require college education or skilled labor, but as far as unskilled labor goes it pays well.

I agree, and that to ME is a big shame..

Reagan would never agree on deporting so many people and breaking families. When he said that he believed in family values, he meant it. You don't seem to understand. It wasn't about immigration, it was a humanitarian stance. He was gun ho for tough border security measures and so on. He was in favor of deporting types of illegals and was in favor of strict immigration rules (such as deporting those who commit certain felonies, or felonies in general). He was, however, first and foremost a good man. And good men make choices based on morality, not just necessity. Though I am still confounded on his stance regarding South Africa.

So what's the point of having those immigration laws, if they are going to get 'ignored cause of wanting to be humanitarian??

Funny you should say -- cause both the machete attack and bombing in Germany made the news.

Maybe about 2-3 minutes at most.. Or got onto the ticker. BUT those stores are drowned out by the 24/7 coverage of teh DNC (just like they were with the RNC).. Its almost as if an asteroid could swoop down and eliminate say an entire country of the planet, and the news would still be 24/7 on politics..

It amazes me that most of the people on my ignore list are republicants. I blocked them long before I saw them vehemently spewing vile, vitriolic venom! Makes my GW experience much better!

I wonder. IF all those republicans here did the same with YOu and all the other liberals here, would you be saying "HOW INTOLERANT of the right??"

[Falcon Horus]

SO, shall we start calling you Daniel Jackson JR??

You may. It certainly was one of the reasons I liked him.

Strange, since ISIS is claiming his attack was inspired by them, and that he has been a loyal soldier..

They're loosing ground left, right and center. They need their troops to keep believing in the cause so of course they're going to claim every single attack even if there's no link whatsoever. Even of the attacker would have been thrown off a roof for having gay intercourse, like the Nice attacker, if he was living in their Islamic world.

Maybe about 2-3 minutes at most.. Or got onto the ticker. BUT those stores are drowned out by the 24/7 coverage of teh DNC (just like they were with the RNC).. Its almost as if an asteroid could swoop down and eliminate say an entire country of the planet, and the news would still be 24/7 on politics..

Well Germany is our neighbor, and we don't have elections coming -- not until 2018 at least.

[jelgate]

Laws on who can work/illegal immigration though are NOT a states right, they are expressly in the federal's ball park.



Exactly. More kids they can't afford, so less likely to pull themselves out..



SO, shall we start calling you Daniel Jackson JR??



Strange, since ISIS is claiming his attack was inspired by them, and that he has been a loyal soldier..



That makes what, 8+ attacks this year alone??



With the Email revelations, i can see that also applying to the DNC!



Guess again Aretood.. Chapter 2 Section 212 of the 1952 Immigration law, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States.



Many others do though..



I agree, and that to ME is a big shame..



So what's the point of having those immigration laws, if they are going to get 'ignored cause of wanting to be humanitarian??



Maybe about 2-3 minutes at most.. Or got onto the ticker. BUT those stores are drowned out by the 24/7 coverage of teh DNC (just like they were with the RNC).. Its almost as if an asteroid could swoop down and eliminate say an entire country of the planet, and the news would still be 24/7 on politics..



I wonder. IF all those republicans here did the same with YOu and all the other liberals here, would you be saying "HOW INTOLERANT of the right??"

Muslium=/=ISIS. That would be like banning any American from entering Belgium (Hi FH) because some Americans belong to the KKK.

[Falcon Horus]

Muslium=/=ISIS. That would be like banning any American from entering Belgium (Hi FH) because some Americans belong to the KKK.

Hello! *waves*

[garhkal]

They're loosing ground left, right and center. They need their troops to keep believing in the cause so of course they're going to claim every single attack even if there's no link whatsoever. Even of the attacker would have been thrown off a roof for having gay intercourse, like the Nice attacker, if he was living in their Islamic world.

I keep hearing people say that, but certainly doesn't SEEM like they are loosing ground left right and center...

Well Germany is our neighbor, and we don't have elections coming -- not until 2018 at least.

Maybe Merklel will be ousted. Many news papers are certainly calling that she's getting a lot of flak, from the 4 straight attacks just this week..

[Annoyed]

Or because America is simply not ready for "socialist" Bernie.

You've seen how the Democrats tied themselves into knots seeking ways to ensure Hillary won, and not Sanders. And this is before the recent wikileaks info.
Gotta be a reason for that. It just isn't known to the public. I rather suspect promises were made 8 years ago that have to be kept. But whatever it is, this smells too much like a behind closed doors deal for it not to be one.

[Falcon Horus]

I keep hearing people say that, but certainly doesn't SEEM like they are loosing ground left right and center...

They are -- not yet ready to admit it, I think.

Maybe Merklel will be ousted. Many news papers are certainly calling that she's getting a lot of flak, from the 4 straight attacks just this week..

Of course, she's getting flack. She's in charge.
Germany has elections in 2017 (and so does France).

You've seen how the Democrats tied themselves into knots seeking ways to ensure Hillary won, and not Sanders. And this is before the recent wikileaks info.
Gotta be a reason for that. It just isn't known to the public. I rather suspect promises were made 8 years ago that have to be kept. But whatever it is, this smells too much like a behind closed doors deal for it not to be one.

I watched season 1 of House of Cards - what doesn't happen behind closed doors?

[Annoyed]

With the Email revelations, i can see that also applying to the DNC!

This particular election is far more interesting than any POTUS race I've been around for.
The leaderships of BOTH parties faced strong opposition and revolts by their constituencies.
I don't think this has happened before, certainly not in my lifetime.

[Nirude]

Okay, whatever.
Forget I asked if you can't be bothered with a normal answer.

Come on, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or normal half the time. I just remember a football game I went to in the UK one time, where the ultras were lighting off flares and flying Palestine flags - it's just dumb and embarrassing, they have no relation to Palestine.

Translation: I vote UKIP.

It's possible UKIP (if not renamed) will have a black or asian leader. How will you feel then? And he will probably be voted in before a leftist lool

Seek help. Seriously.

#WrongSideofHistory

[Gatefan1976]

Laws on who can work/illegal immigration though are NOT a states right, they are expressly in the federal's ball park.

E-verify is not a federal initiative dude.

Exactly. More kids they can't afford, so less likely to pull themselves out..

I really wish you and Annoyed would learn -something- about sociology, or listen to Sociologist-tood a bit more.

Strange, since ISIS is claiming his attack was inspired by them, and that he has been a loyal soldier..

Of course they have. ISIS will claim -anything-, up to and including alcohol abusers and Gay people (both forbidden, of course), if they feel it will advance their cause.

Guess again Aretood.. Chapter 2 Section 212 of the 1952 Immigration law, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States.

Umm...... no.
Isis is the organization, like Nazism was, or the Communist party, Not Muslims, Germans, or Russians.

Many others do though..

Peoples "feelings" are not facts. See Newt Gingrich getting smacked upside the head about what the difference between feelings and facts are.
"America FEELS more dangerous" -Feeling
"Crime rates in America have been dropping for the last 25 years" -FACT.
You are free to feel what you wish, you are not allowed to use your feelings to create reality, unless you are a magician.

I agree, and that to ME is a big shame..

So, despite what people -feel- about illegals "taking your jobs", the actual fact is, people won't take the job in the first place. You cannot complain about loosing something you would not do, can you?

So what's the point of having those immigration laws, if they are going to get 'ignored cause of wanting to be humanitarian??

You need -NEED- immigration reform, no one has argued against reform, what they have argued about is -how- that can be achieved.

Maybe about 2-3 minutes at most.. Or got onto the ticker. BUT those stores are drowned out by the 24/7 coverage of teh DNC (just like they were with the RNC).. Its almost as if an asteroid could swoop down and eliminate say an entire country of the planet, and the news would still be 24/7 on politics..

Just watch your local news then

I wonder. IF all those republicans here did the same with YOu and all the other liberals here, would you be saying "HOW INTOLERANT of the right??"

I have no one on ignore, I never will and I never have in over 25 years of using the internet and pre-internet BBS's. I disagree with LTcolCarter on this one, ignoring people will solve nothing.
(Sorry LT, that's just the way I feel)

[Gatefan1976]

I keep hearing people say that, but certainly doesn't SEEM like they are loosing ground left right and center...

But they are.
They are loosing manpower, material, land and money at a fair rate. The problem is, "lone wolf" attacks don't need a country or organization behind them. You simply can't "blow up" an ideology, you have to change the way people feel about that ideology. You need to examine -what it is- that draws people to such ideologies and change that.

[Nirude]

But they are.
They are loosing manpower, material, land and money at a fair rate. The problem is, "lone wolf" attacks don't need a country or organization behind them. You simply can't "blow up" an ideology, you have to change the way people feel about that ideology. You need to examine -what it is- that draws people to such ideologies and change that.

Trump hasn't really said it yet, but he will wage total cultural war INSIDE the US. It will root out all traitors. It's the first step in tackling ISIS (the ones already here).

[Gatefan1976]

Trump hasn't really said it yet, but he will wage total cultural war INSIDE the US. It will root out all traitors. It's the first step in tackling in ISIS (the ones already here).

I suppose you think that is a good thing, don't you?