The Political Discussion Thread

[Annoyed]

How pathetic.
In addition to the expected gum-flapping about the Dallas police shooting, the LSoS had this to say about the Minn. shooting:

The president, speaking on Saturday at the NATO summit here, suggested that the licensed gun in the car of Philando Castile, who was shot by police in Minnesota during a routine traffic stop, had contributed to the tragedy there. Castile died as his girlfriend live-streamed video of him bleeding to death while an armed police officer stood a few feet away.

“We don’t know what happened, but we do know that there was a gun in the car that apparently was licensed, but it caused in some fashion those tragic events,” Obama said of Castile’s shooting.

How the hell did a legally owned firearm that wasn't even drawn or in play all cause that cop to shoot the motorist?

Oh, and isn't "blaming the victim" frowned upon these days?

Guess it's considered to be ok if you're trying to use a tragedy to pursue an aggressive attempt to decimate the 2nd amendment.

[garhkal]

Interesting on how such a "technicality" matters depending on whether or not one's political views aligns with the "protestors." Didn't you support those people who invaded a government owned building and threatened to kill police should they try to enforce the law?

I supported what they were trying to do, NOT the method.. Just as i support BLM's desire to get the message out of racism etc, but NOT how they are doing it.

How pathetic.
In addition to the expected gum-flapping about the Dallas police shooting, the LSoS had this to say about the Minn. shooting:

I also note he has yet to speak out about all the OTHER cops being shot at over the past 2 days, such as the one cop LURED to a site of a fake 911 call, then shot by a thug. Or the cop hit along with several civilians (one iirc killed) by a thug just shooting into a road...

[Gatefan1976]

How pathetic.
In addition to the expected gum-flapping about the Dallas police shooting, the LSoS had this to say about the Minn. shooting:


How the hell did a legally owned firearm that wasn't even drawn or in play all cause that cop to shoot the motorist?

Oh, and isn't "blaming the victim" frowned upon these days?

Guess it's considered to be ok if you're trying to use a tragedy to pursue an aggressive attempt to decimate the 2nd amendment.

You truly are clueless.

[Gatefan1976]

I supported what they were trying to do, NOT the method.. Just as i support BLM's desire to get the message out of racism etc, but NOT how they are doing it.

Why do you believe people should have guns?
Is it just the NRA interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, or do you think that it is protection from an "out of control government"?
From the BLM point of view, the government -is- out of control and rather than grab a gun and start shooting, they protest.
That inconveniences some people, so they are "bad" Some even do -actually- bad stuff, so that justifies the "they are all bad.

IF they grab a gun, they are thugs, so you feel it's ok to shoot them.
-exactly- how do you want them to rebel against injustice?
Sit quietly in a corner so they can continue to be ignored?

I also note he has yet to speak out about all the OTHER cops being shot at over the past 2 days, such as the one cop LURED to a site of a fake 911 call, then shot by a thug. Or the cop hit along with several civilians (one iirc killed) by a thug just shooting into a road...

You are smarter than this, don't sink to that level.

[Coco Pops]

If they can pull the trigger as good, sure. BUT there's more to being a good troop than that.. Can they carry all the gear they need to, can they make the humps for 20+ miles etc, with all that gear on? Can they carry one of their fallen comrades?? And so on.

Ah, now that makes sense. I don't think many women could do that fit or otherwise....

[SoulReaver]

based on the premise that the billionaire didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart just because he also got a benefit

well yeah that's the idea

Easy to say that out of context. People give each other the benefit of the doubt. Mainly because cops do constantly get falsely accused of everything under the sun. And to many officers who don't totally understand why criminals get so many "protections" under the law

good one
good thing you added the quotes
don't know your own laws? in the US when an officer's killed his killers (if they're not from a privileged circle themselves) automatically get aggravating circumstances
check out Cecil Clayton (honest hard working taxpayer - in a way capitalism killed him)
now try find 1 counter-example where someone of his class got away with a light sentence
know who gets the real protections? try what Diaz Zeferino's killers did & count the minutes it takes till you end up behind bars

And I'm not saying there isn't a problem that needs addressing. Just that it's not part of some Marxist conspiracy by the "man" to keep us poor folk in line. To you it's all evil capitalism, if only that were true.

still beats "the big'uns are always rite" by a long shot :/

It's easy to maintain such a narrative when you don't even live here.

don't need to it's the same all over by varying degrees
the US being the 1st world power & fancying itself as a Free nation of Equal opportunities etc. obviously it gets the most coverage

Tell that by the rich tennis player that got tackled by the NYPD. Or the city council member that kept getting racially profiled by local police. I could dig up a lot more examples.

(I remember reading about that & the pig who did this wasn't punished either) I didn't say race wasn't a problem I said it was no race problem
it's still a class problem (primarily)
besides sometimes the aggressors simply feel like busting someone & they figure they'll get away with it even more easily if they pick a minority. that didn't help the white chap who got shot at a traffic stop for showing his walking stick nor the other one who was shot 21 times as he woke up in bed for reaching out for his flashlight
are white american commoners worth more than non-white american commoners? barely. still same class so don't delude yourself white or not unless you're filthy rich or you're one of them, you're nothing to them cept a milkcow taxpayer & they don't give a **** about your safety (I already pointed out legally speaking it's not even their duty to protect you)

[SoulReaver]

How the hell did a legally owned firearm that wasn't even drawn or in play all cause that cop to shoot the motorist?

you really think they care about your 2nd amendment rights?
if they somehow know you've a gun or any weapons for that matter (not necessarily carrying one) then they'll just use that as an excuse even if they only find out about it after shooting you

[Falcon Horus]

It was more than 2. Some reports put it at 4 shooters.. Apparently 1 of which flat out told cops he was there just to kill as many whites as he could, preferably white cops..

Trained by the US Military.
Local paper used his military photo as frontpage image.

Interesting detail - apparently the police used a remote controlled bomb disposal robot with an explosive device to blow up the shooter.

First drone attack on US soil?

If they can pull the trigger as good, sure. BUT there's more to being a good troop than that.. Can they carry all the gear they need to, can they make the humps for 20+ miles etc, with all that gear on? Can they carry one of their fallen comrades?? And so on.

When they can, will you still be complaining about women in the unit?

How the hell did a legally owned firearm that wasn't even drawn or in play all cause that cop to shoot the motorist?

Because the cop probably thought he was going to go for the gun instead of the ID.

Oh, and isn't "blaming the victim" frowned upon these days?

Where do you see victim-blaming?

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@SGAlisa

Just wanted to point something out to you, since you always seem so happy to bring up Shariah Law when someone's talking about Islam.

Allow me to point you to a Christian version of this:

Group vies to reverse LGBT protections in Maine
New group aims to make homosexuality a crime in Maine

Paul Madore and this small group of people say they want to restore America to its former greatness by repealing same sex marriage laws and making homosexuality a crime.

“There is conduct that ought to be punished,” Heath said. “And Christianity teaches, has always taught and still does teach, that sodomy is such a behavior.”

In fact, they’re against any public displays of affection by members of the LGBT community.

“These are two military men, at least one, and there’s an open expression of homosexuality and sexual expression that is totally out of line for a country as great as the United States of America,” Madore said.

Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

For further reference, if you so wish the website of the group Equal Rights, not Special Rights

[SoulReaver]

Group vies to reverse LGBT protections in Maine
New group aims to make homosexuality a crime in Maine

don't know what punishment christianity has for or if it's even punishable, but would you rather live in the Vatican or in Iran?

[Annoyed]

Where do you see victim-blaming?

Our sorry excuse for a President:

The president, speaking on Saturday at the NATO summit here, suggested that the licensed gun in the car of Philando Castile, who was shot by police in Minnesota during a routine traffic stop, had contributed to the tragedy there. Castile died as his girlfriend live-streamed video of him bleeding to death while an armed police officer stood a few feet away.

“We don’t know what happened, but we do know that there was a gun in the car that apparently was licensed, but it caused in some fashion those tragic events,” Obama said of Castile’s shooting.

Clearly, the LSoS, who is against private gun ownership, is trying to pin the blame for this on the the victim having a legally registered firearm, rather than the (apparently) trigger happy cop.

[SoulReaver]

the LSoS, who is against private gun ownership

so are your trusted LEOs then

[pookey]

So sodomy should be punished, ummm, they do know that straight couples do that as well, should everyone on Earth, probably including themselves be punished ?

[Annoyed]

so are your trusted LEOs then

Police chiefs, sheriffs divided over gun control measures

That cannot be said. There is a clear divide among law enforcement personnel regarding the 2nd amendment. Typically, larger city police chiefs are against private ownership, while county sheriffs are generally in favor of 2nd amendment rights.

A key difference is that city police chiefs are usually appointed by the city administration, which is often Democratic as most elected large city officials are, while the county sheriffs have to face the voters directly every so often.

From personal experience, NY state's governor has enacted some of the most stringent gun regulations in the country, and many local sheriffs have outright said they will not enforce these unconstitutional laws. As I recall, the same goes for the State Police as well. It is only in the large urban areas where the idea of gun control gets much traction with law enforcement personnel.

[SoulReaver]

the city administration, which is often Democratic as most elected large city officials are

that even true?

[Annoyed]

Yes, it is. Do some research if you don't believe me. Most large cities lean Democratic, often very heavily so. On the other hand, most suburban and rural areas lean to the Republican side.

Look at the various "secession" movements in various states that have sprung up because the large, urban areas of a state dominate the state's politics to the point where the rural areas have no effective voice in state government. My own state, NY has such a movement due to the overwhelming influence of NYC and Albany, which are both overwhelmingly Democratic. Aside from the major cities, NY is mostly a red state, but its electoral votes haven't gone to a Republican since 1984, Reagan's second run. Colorado has such a movement, due to the Democratic influence of Denver.