chimpanzee planned attacks on zoo visitors

[SoulReaver]

I voted yes, but I don't think this question was vague and not well worded, in my opinion.

so you think the question was well worded and not vague ?

[shipper hannah]

so you think the question was well worded and not vague ?

Whoops. Ignore the "don't".

[Vis Uban]

Fascinating article and an interesting idea. Really makes you wonder what the limits of animal intelligence are.

Of course, this is coming from the guy who voted for the candy... It's not my fault! I was hungry... All I've eaten today is a cereal bar!

[shipper hannah]

Among humans, throwing stones at people isn't considered a sign of high inteligence.

How do you define intelligence? Or high intelligence?

[shipper hannah]

Fascinating article and an interesting idea. Really makes you wonder what the limits of animal intelligence are.

Should there be limits?

[Vis Uban]

Should there be limits?

Well, by limits I meant the biological limits inherent in them based on cranial capacity and brain structure. Being unable to replicate speech on the level of complexity that humans can, for example. Physiologically speaking, there are simply some mental capabilities that chimps don't possess, no matter how much training they are given, and so I thought it would be interesting to see the limits of their intelligence, compared to a human.

However, that said, I don't doubt that they're capable of a kind of rudimentary planning, though that may be the product of a kind of instinctual group behavior. I'm always interested when scientists do studies on animal intelligence, and how former ideas about the limits of animal intelligence are constantly being revised now that real research is being done on the subject.

[Coco Pops]

Well, by limits I meant the biological limits inherent in them based on cranial capacity and brain structure. Being unable to replicate speech on the level of complexity that humans can, for example. Physiologically speaking, there are simply some mental capabilities that chimps don't possess, no matter how much training they are given, and so I thought it would be interesting to see the limits of their intelligence, compared to a human.

However, that said, I don't doubt that they're capable of a kind of rudimentary planning, though that may be the product of a kind of instinctual group behavior. I'm always interested when scientists do studies on animal intelligence, and how former ideas about the limits of animal intelligence are constantly being revised now that real research is being done on the subject.

I'd say the second article I posted shows a level of forward planning in that the chimp selected carefully the stones he wanted to use and had a hiding place to store them. that didn't just come about by accident. It was thought out and planned.

[jenks]

The gap seems to be found to be narrower all the time, relative to the rest of the animal kingdom anyway. Some of the studies that are being done are amazing, like this one I remember seeing a documentary on a while ago.

[shipper hannah]

Well, by limits I meant the biological limits inherent in them based on cranial capacity and brain structure. Being unable to replicate speech on the level of complexity that humans can, for example.

That is related to the shape of the larynx, among other things. Language in humans developed after changes to the shape of the skull and the larynx allowed us to make the variety of sounds necessary. The development of language coincides with behavioural modernity, so it stands to reason the two are dependent on each other.

However, that said, I don't doubt that they're capable of a kind of rudimentary planning, though that may be the product of a kind of instinctual group behavior.

Doesn't hoarding stones for later use imply forward planning?

I'm always interested when scientists do studies on animal intelligence, and how former ideas about the limits of animal intelligence are constantly being revised now that real research is being done on the subject.

Technically humans are animals. Are there limits to human intelligence?