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Originally posted by jenks View PostIt's about heritage not law in my opinion, if it's different then why can't it have a different name?Last edited by jesserella; 09 July 2007, 11:45 AM.
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostWill they ever be ready?I'm a Slasher. I slash. It's what I do.
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Originally posted by jenks View PostThey should get the same rights, but it still shouldn't be called a marriage, because it's not.I'm a Slasher. I slash. It's what I do.
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Originally posted by Davesg-43 View Postwell me i use the dont ask dont tell policy in these type of mattersHeightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Jenks is correct. The traditional definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Of the same race.
Only in the past century or so has marriage actually been a relationship between two individuals who love each other. Traditionally, marriage was an economic arrangement. Guys wanted women with higher dowries. The woman's job was to further the population of the human race. The woman had no power, the man owned the woman. There was never an element of love to it. It was only about money and sex. Rarely love.
Traditionally, marriage was only between those of the same religion. People from the same country. From the same soci-economic status. And yes, it was between a man and a woman.
My point is this. We have completely torn down the tradition that is marriage. We get married, for the most part, for love. Generally, we don't care about a person's skin colour, religion, place of origin, or wealth. Generally, we don't get married to a person our parents decided we'd marry before we were born. We marry who we want to marry, because we feel that marriage is something more. Something special to share with another.
The definition of marriage has changed. The tradition of marriage has changed. Marriage now is nothing close to being similar to what it was 200 years ago. Traditional marriages do not exist anymore. The tradition has been torn down.
Only select few carry on the tradition, and, on the whole, society ridicules them. There are laws against forced marriages, against polygamy. The term "Gold Digger" is not a nice phrase, yet everybody who got married between about 500-1800 AD was a Gold Digger. Society itself ridicules traditional marriage.
And now the argument that Gay Marriage is traditional has come up. I say this: Marriage has no tradition. Marriage is now an equal party relationship. It's a union of love, not convenience. It can be between anybody, not just those of similar social status. And it is no longer about man and woman. It is more. We have made it more. Marriage is now based around acceptance and love. This is our tradition.
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Originally posted by cowpants View PostJenks is correct. The traditional definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Of the same race.
Only in the past century or so has marriage actually been a relationship between two individuals who love each other. Traditionally, marriage was an economic arrangement. Guys wanted women with higher dowries. The woman's job was to further the population of the human race. The woman had no power, the man owned the woman. There was never an element of love to it. It was only about money and sex. Rarely love.
Traditionally, marriage was only between those of the same religion. People from the same country. From the same soci-economic status. And yes, it was between a man and a woman.
My point is this. We have completely torn down the tradition that is marriage. We get married, for the most part, for love. Generally, we don't care about a person's skin colour, religion, place of origin, or wealth. Generally, we don't get married to a person our parents decided we'd marry before we were born. We marry who we want to marry, because we feel that marriage is something more. Something special to share with another.
The definition of marriage has changed. The tradition of marriage has changed. Marriage now is nothing close to being similar to what it was 200 years ago. Traditional marriages do not exist anymore. The tradition has been torn down.
Only select few carry on the tradition, and, on the whole, society ridicules them. There are laws against forced marriages, against polygamy. The term "Gold Digger" is not a nice phrase, yet everybody who got married between about 500-1800 AD was a Gold Digger. Society itself ridicules traditional marriage.
And now the argument that Gay Marriage is traditional has come up. I say this: Marriage has no tradition. Marriage is now an equal party relationship. It's a union of love, not convenience. It can be between anybody, not just those of similar social status. And it is no longer about man and woman. It is more. We have made it more. Marriage is now based around acceptance and love. This is our tradition.Cogito ergo dubito.
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there is no such thing as tradition... just repetative motions... that's what marriage was til recently... you had the white dress, the little extras that brought just that bit of luck, the same vows exanged all the time... it was all just one repetative motion....I'm a Slasher. I slash. It's what I do.
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Okay: HUGE catch-up post coming up and then after it if I have time enough will tell a bit of my lovely life story, might give some of the peepz in here a view on things ;-)
Originally posted by Lilith View Post
This is a friendly ground for anyone who agrees with the sentiment above. If you are a narrow-minded bigot, you may want to leave before someone gets offended. Because here, we:
Sorry English isn't my native language and abrevations is hard to get I mean I tried though, but I would say G= gay L= Lesbian and B=bisexual but what is the T and S and A stands for??
Originally posted by mappalazarou View Postwhat's so bad about same sex marriage?
I don't understand why people start conflict over it, I mean it's just two people who love each other. What's so bad about that?
Originally posted by Adria View Postit goes against the bible and other various religions
Originally posted by Lilith View Postwhich we will astutely ignore here unless you wanna poke fun at their misbegotten ideals anyways, someone suggested that someone should start a safe haven for GLBT people to meet and talk here on the forums, and for accepting straight people to join in too of course.... i just couldn't think of a better opening post
Originally posted by ACharmedAsgard View PostIt's all based on how you are taught - in the pastr everone was taught that it was wrong, However these days people are a lot more open minded, so I would think that in a couple of years there will be a lot more supporters then there are today
And of course people will come over the year more acceptence, that is how things always go...poeple don't deal good with change. they need time for change...
Originally posted by ladyjanus View Post
I have little to no patience with gay-bashers of all ilks, and I have thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to read what other literate and opinionatedpeople have had to say in the pages of these forums. this thread is a great idea. I can think of no place it could be more at home.
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Originally posted by jenks View PostA marriage is a union between a man and a woman, anything else isn't marriage.
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post
I'm glad I live in a country where gay-marriage is allowed and where there's not too much gay-hatred or bashing going on.
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostActually, to be quite honest I have always said to everyone who wanted to hear it that marriage wasn't my thing. Of course, the fact that all that was said a long time ago when same-sex marriage was still very much an issue here (my home country), I always knew I wasn't going to get married anyway.
But then the law was changed and suddenly gay couples were allowed to get married as well. If my girlfriend (whom I have yet to meet) would like to get married some day, then I think I would love to do so. At least, I would consider changing my mind about it. Also the issue of having children could change if the girlfriend would like to have kids. Adopt or of our own...
Originally posted by Lilith View Postdon't mind them... i mean i can understand where most of them are coming from... gay culture just isn't something you see much in american tv unless it's blatant... and then it becomes tacky quick.... if we had a few better writers, things may be a little different, but let's just face it... mainstream America just isn't ready for it....
Here in Belgium they are really including gay marriage and gay couples a lot in the tv shows, even that I think it is kind of a cool thing to include it. and I must it makes me go crazy, cause they just write in the cliché's a lot
Originally posted by jenks View PostThey should get the same rights, but it still shouldn't be called a marriage, because it's not.
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Originally posted by RepliCartertje View PostNice idea for a thread but you can call me stupid now but what does GLBT and GSA stands for??
Sorry English isn't my native language and abrevations is hard to get I mean I tried though, but I would say G= gay L= Lesbian and B=bisexual but what is the T and S and A stands for??
GSA = Gay/Straight Alliance
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