Stargate and Nudity

[Daedalus-304]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Do you think it's immoral? If so, what's your reasoning?

Sure I think it is immoral, although I don't like it mostly because of weird reasons that I won't go into.

I believe it is considered immoral because it leads to lust, which itself is immoral.

first human = circa 60000 years ago news.nationalgeographic.com/news/

renaissance = circa 600 years ago

does 1% of the total time of human existence constitute a 'long time' now?

Actually the Renaissance is the starting point for many western history classes. But that is just one example, I can find more much older. One example would be the book of Genesis, which is about 3000 years old, and has a couple portion that seems to condemn nudity / said it was something to be ashamed of.

[rlr149]

Sure I think it is immoral, although I don't like it mostly because of weird reasons that I won't go into.

I believe it is considered immoral because it leads to lust, which itself is immoral.



Actually the Renaissance is the starting point for many western history classes. But that is just one example, I can find more much older. One example would be the book of Genesis, which is about 3000 years old, and has a couple portion that seems to condemn nudity / said it was something to be ashamed of.

so 5% of the total time of human existence then.still not that long a time though

[ykickamoocow]

Remember back in ancient time all athletes competing in the Olympics used to compete completely naked.

[Daedalus-304]

Remember back in ancient time all athletes competing in the Olympics used to compete completely naked.

Didn't they also ban married woman from going, for fear they would leave thier husbands for better-looking men? I thought I saw that once on the History Channel or something.

[LostCityGuardian]

I believe it is considered immoral because it leads to lust, which itself is immoral.

Even when the nudity is obviously not there to arouse the viewer or as near soft porn? Like, for example, the nudity which is the point of this entire thread, which arguably demonstrates how little appreciation the Goa'uld have for humans as anything other than meat, and showing the levels they would go to to degrade and humiliate humans? Does a scene like that lead to lust? Certainly for me, I was cringing rather than grinning.

[Womble]

Remember back in ancient time all athletes competing in the Olympics used to compete completely naked.

That's in Greece. If you're going to use their social practices as a benchmark of natural attitudes, you better be prepared to defend pederasty.

[Daedalus-304]

Even when the nudity is obviously not there to arouse the viewer or as near soft porn? Like, for example, the nudity which is the point of this entire thread, which arguably demonstrates how little appreciation the Goa'uld have for humans as anything other than meat, and showing the levels they would go to to degrade and humiliate humans? Does a scene like that lead to lust? Certainly for me, I was cringing rather than grinning.

Isn't that the entire reason they put nudity in Children of the gods? The channel thought it would attrack people to the show just because you get to see her naked?

[LostCityGuardian]

Isn't that the entire reason they put nudity in Children of the gods? The channel thought it would attrack people to the show just because you get to see her naked?

Considering Brad Wright's opposition to it, I would like to believe that TPTB took this line as a way to integrate nudity that they didn't want to put in without it being gratutious. I can very easily see the voyeurs heading Showtime as wanting it that way, but I think that the nudity was integrated in a way that made it as lust-less as possible (if that's even a word).

[shipper hannah]

I don't think that there is any justifiable reason to show nudity

I think occasionally it is necessary or applicable to the story. There are plenty of movies or tv shows I can think of that needed the nudity in there for some reason. I don't think there has been a real reason for it in Stargate.

[Seastallion]

If its a pretty hottie, I have no problems at all with nudity. Yes, I'm a guy and as such a dog. All of us men are pretty much dogs. We can't help it. Anyways... In regards to Stargate I don't generally see much need for it. It won't bother me unless it is someone rather unsightly in appearance. Like myself... Aaagghh! Having said that, there have been women on Stargate I wouldn't mind seeing nude, but would it really help the story along? Probably not. Too bad.

Seriously though, nudity is not a big deal unless you make it so. As to the Renaisance thing... well, they had a lot of nude painting scenes. Hmmm. Hypocrites. Of course its no different now. The porn industry is bigger than hollywood in America, but NOBODY watches the stuff. Never. Mmm-hmm.

Also, lust isn't evil. It's only what you lust for. Even the bible says so. It says to 'covet' (i.e.- lust after or desire) good things. Also God commanded man to go forth and multiply. You can't do that without sex. It's simple biology. And you have to get a little naked to do that.

LOL!!! I'm being bad..!

[rlr149]

That's in Greece. If you're going to use their social practices as a benchmark of natural attitudes, you better be prepared to defend pederasty.

i have no problem thinking particular social practices of the ancient greeks, will be at/near the bottom of any list of supposed 'natural attitudes', they must count in the results though, despite doing particularly unconscionable things

they're one culture among many

[jenks]

I don't think that there is any justifiable reason to show nudity

Why does it need to be justified? What's wrong with it?

Sure I think it is immoral, although I don't like it mostly because of weird reasons that I won't go into.

I believe it is considered immoral because it leads to lust, which itself is immoral.

What's immoral about lust?

[Shipperahoy]

I can think of one movie right off the top of my head that had full male and female frontal nudity in that was not gratuitous at all and was completely necessary to the story. Schindler's List. There's a scene where the prisoners were made to run around outside completely naked and when ABC aired it on t.v. they chose to air it uncut with the nudity completely intact. I don't recall any cries of immorality or fines from the FCC over that.

So I do think that there are cases where nudity is essential to the storyline. Was it necessary in COTG? Not really. They didn't choose to use nudity with the blonde airforce women who went before Sha're and it was still just as creepy and degrading without the nudity. Not that I really cared one way or the other that they had a nude scene. I have nothing against nudity in entertainment, but it wasn't necessary to the story.

[aretood2]

If its a pretty hottie, I have no problems at all with nudity. Yes, I'm a guy and as such a dog.

Love your honesty by the way.
I to desire this, but I deny and suppress it. We all have to suppress and deny ourselves of desires that make us feel bad at the end. It is not being a Dog, it is being Human. Don't get confused, It is one thing to feel the need to do "wrong" It is another to agree with that need and pursue it. that is my point.

I say this cause of a comment by rlr[Input random numbers] about saying that I believe it is wrong to be the same as "Because I said so". If I had it my way, I would not have been arguing against him.

All of us men are pretty much dogs. We can't help it.

I believe that we can, that being my goal in life.

Also, lust isn't evil. It's only what you lust for.

Like nudity/Sex(Out side of marriage and/or for recreation rather than expressing love and procreation). that is bad, not really "Evil" just wrong.

Even the bible says so. It says to 'covet' (i.e.- lust after or desire) good things. Also God commanded man to go forth and multiply. You can't do that without sex.

Sex within a couple that truly loves each other, and not "Lust", is not wrong according to that very same book, especially if it is for making a baby.

It's simple biology. And you have to get a little naked to do that.

LOL!!! I'm being bad..!

Actually I am most fond of your comment compared to anyone else's. You seem, reasonable.

Considering Brad Wright's opposition to it, I would like to believe that TPTB took this line as a way to integrate nudity that they didn't want to put in without it being gratutious. I can very easily see the voyeurs heading Showtime as wanting it that way, but I think that the nudity was integrated in a way that made it as lust-less as possible (if that's even a word).

More work towards my point. I had a conversation about tv once with a co worker of mine. She said something along these lines if memory serves me right:
"I swear that today movie makers write up a movie and then after that they tell each other that they need to put nude people in just to be hip"

What's immoral about lust?

What's not wrong with lust?
Why shouldn't nudity be justified?
Why can't it be wrong?
Why must everything new be acceptable?
Why can't we just stop asking questions like this?
Why should we?
Why must we challenge everything and then not challenge the results of the things we challenged?
Why not question the questioning of everything?
Why must everything undergo a million questions?
What is harmless about saying that nudity is wrong?
Why add Nudity to Stargate?
Why bluh bluh bluh... Seriously, do you really not know what the answer to your question is? Have you not already heard a response for that throughout the course of your life? If not then just say so and I am sure that someone if not myself will tell you through public posting or a PM.

[jenks]

Like nudity/Sex(Out side of marriage and/or for recreation rather than expressing love and procreation). that is bad, not really "Evil" just wrong.

No it's not.

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Why bluh bluh bluh... Seriously, do you really not know what the answer to your question is? Have you not already heard a response for that throughout the course of your life? If not then just say so and I am sure that someone if not myself will tell you through public posting or a PM.

There is no answer, because it's not immoral. My question was intended to expose the reasoning (or lack of) behind the idea that it is.