Stargate and Nudity

[Angelgrinder]

Here in Sweden they don't have any special times when nudity's allowed. I've seen nudity pretty much at any hour of the day. Not talking about sex here, but a pair of boobs can be seen in the middle of the day. And no one cares, there's no big deal with it.

[~Dave]

Can't believe you guys are still talking about this. I don't think we're in Kansas any more.....

~Dave

[ykickamoocow]

i think our rules are brief flashes of nudity are acceptible after 9pm at night. but by brief they mean a few seconds, not the lingering pan that we had of shau'ri.

and i don't think they even permit frontal shots. bum shots are okay, if they are brief, but not the front.

That seems really odd to me. I'll tell you what each Stargate SG1 box has on it.

Season 1 (M15+) - Medium Level Violence, Low Level Coarse Lauguage, Supernatural Themes, Nudity
Season 2 (PG) - Medium Level Violence, Adult Themes, Supernatural Themes
Season 3 (M15+) - Medium Level Violence, Supernatural Themes, Adult Themes
Season 4 (M15+) - Low Level Violence, Adult Themes, Supernatural Themes, Low Level Coarse Launguage
Season 5 (M15+) - Low Level Violence, Adult Themes, Low Level Course Launguage
Season 6 (M15+) - Medium Level Violence, Mature Themes, Adult Themes
Season 7 (M15+) - Medium Level Violence, Adult Themes, Low Level Coarse Language
Season 8 (M) - Moderate Violence, Mild Coarse Language
Season 9 (M) - Moderate Violence
Season 10 (M) - Moderate Violence, Moderate Science Fiction Violence, Moderate Themes, Infrequent Moderate Coarse Langugae


Taking into account the diffenence in the language used from year to year by the whoever does the Australian Ratings System it is clear that dispite the fact that Season 1 have Full Frontal nudity it did not have a worse rating that Seasons 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 which as we all know dont have Full Frontal nudity.

[~Dave]

You guys overlook the full nudity in a great many episodes of SG1. I have never seen the Asgard with a stitch of clothing on. Is this not sufficient?

~Dave

[Ouroboros]

Many here talk about how the full frontal nudity wasn't needed in COTG.
Oh my, I mean. It's not like Apophis pretends to be one of those ruthless gods from the mythology, you know, those who enjoyed raping and ****ing sisters and borhters, cutting people to bits and whatelse. It's not like he would be influenced by his male host, and concerned about the beauty of the female he'd choose for his snake-mate.

I think clearly showing out what Apophis did to Sha're pretty much settled the evilness of the guy for the years to come, the sort of shock from a part of the audience actually helping drawing Pops' personality and how Goa'uld see human hosts - a point made rather clear years later, in Pretense, where Goa'uld don't think we're better than livestock.

It worked perfectly. There was nothing sexual or titilating about it. He was inspecting her the same way you'd inspect a farm animal you were thinking of buying. The humiliation forced on Sha're, Daniel's wife and a well liked character from the film, and the earlier scenes of the Goa'uld just going amongst the humans and taking what they wanted made the audience want to hate them far more for their arrogant superiority and the way they mercilessly exploited others.

It captured the nature of their evil perfectly.

I thereby demand a Special Edition of episode Origin, because seeing Vala getting burned crisp and alive is untolerable for the family.

I want to highlight this again to because it's a really good example. That scene was something I would legitimately consider to not be something I would want very young children to watch. Unlike a breast or a few pubes this is actually something that I would worry would legitimately scare them and stick in their memory in a bad way long after the episode was actually over.

I even found that scene fairly shocking myself and I'm a jaded veteran of many of those horrible inhuman grand theft auto games where I kill noble policemen for fun and sell drugs to preeschoolers for 10x the gangsta points.

Are we really saying that with Vala, a lovely fun character kids would probably really be fond of, that it's better for the kids/family that we show her getting burned alive and screaming than with no shirt on?

Yes I know that's the social norm now a days for a lot of people but it seems pretty ****ed up to me.

I wonder which one Vala, were she a real person, would prefer.

[Major Clanger]

One thing though, oranghan's post shows just why people are content to not have the nudity. many treat it with all the adultness and sensibility of a 13 year old giggling over his daddy's playboy. crudity makes it very easy to just say 'oh, cut it all out' because you get tired of what many call the 'beauty' of the human body being denigrated to trash talk and nastiness.

You are so right there! "Racks"? are we back in highschool?

maybe it's not the nudity they hide but the base and crude reactions to it taht people are trying to avoid

As the Man says: Indeed.

[~Dave]

Actually, the whole idea that we can have ratings for what we see is a positive development. If Americans were truly the prudes some would have us believe, then there would only be one rating. P for Prudish.

Face it Americans are overwhelmingly religious. And of those, they are overwhelmingly Christian. And Christians believe in modesty. At least they claim to. But even that is not solid. Because the nudity crowd is making inroads all the time. And they are gaining ground. There was a time when a system of ratings did not exist because of this. But now Americans are being tolerant of the people who want this stuff. It's also evident in schools where Christianity is nearly banned completely. So we are making "progress" in your direction.

Now if you really want a challenge, go over to Iran and push your notions of nudity being acceptable, and see what happens to you. Isn't it great that we can even have the discussion here?

On the other side of the coin, I have gone to places like the mall where I've seen some people wearing spandex who should not ever be allowed to leave the house in that garb. LOL! I would recoil in horror if those folks ever were allowed to parade around nude. So maybe it's a matter of esthetics as well.

Children have been trying to upset their prudish adults for as long as I have been alive. When I was a young teenager, we had tight jeans, and DA hairstyles, and white t-shirts with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in one sleeve. And we flaunted our "freedom" to do this with pride. And so we are here today promoting nudity on the streets. If you want to embrace this cause that badly, then you can help by removing your clothing and going out everywhere you would normally go. When enough people get arrested and the jails and courts get full enough, new laws will be written to permit your kind of freedom. This will also cause movie and TV ratings to go away. And you can have the enjoyment of going to the grocery store, or a restaurant and seeing nude bodies of every type all around you. Because, you see, once you start removing boundaries, you find you cannot have a boundary at all. Then absolutely anything anyone wants to do will be entitled to equal protection under the law. IMHO. Can you say Anarchy? Be careful what you wish for.

~Dave

[ykickamoocow]

Actually, the whole idea that we can have ratings for what we see is a positive development. If Americans were truly the prudes some would have us believe, then there would only be one rating. P for Prudish.

Face it Americans are overwhelmingly religious. And of those, they are overwhelmingly Christian. And Christians believe in modesty. At least they claim to. But even that is not solid. Because the nudity crowd is making inroads all the time. And they are gaining ground. There was a time when a system of ratings did not exist because of this. But now Americans are being tolerant of the people who want this stuff. It's also evident in schools where Christianity is nearly banned completely. So we are making "progress" in your direction.

Now if you really want a challenge, go over to Iran and push your notions of nudity being acceptable, and see what happens to you. Isn't it great that we can even have the discussion here?

On the other side of the coin, I have gone to places like the mall where I've seen some people wearing spandex who should not ever be allowed to leave the house in that garb. LOL! I would recoil in horror if those folks ever were allowed to parade around nude. So maybe it's a matter of esthetics as well.

Children have been trying to upset their prudish adults for as long as I have been alive. When I was a young teenager, we had tight jeans, and DA hairstyles, and white t-shirts with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in one sleeve. And we flaunted our "freedom" to do this with pride. And so we are here today promoting nudity on the streets. If you want to embrace this cause that badly, then you can help by removing your clothing and going out everywhere you would normally go. When enough people get arrested and the jails and courts get full enough, new laws will be written to permit your kind of freedom. This will also cause movie and TV ratings to go away. And you can have the enjoyment of going to the grocery store, or a restaurant and seeing nude bodies of every type all around you. Because, you see, once you start removing boundaries, you find you cannot have a boundary at all. Then absolutely anything anyone wants to do will be entitled to equal protection under the law. IMHO. Be careful what you wish for.

~Dave

I personally would not have a problem with new laws saying anyone could walk around naked if they wanted too. What most pro nudity people on this thread are asking for i think is when the script calls for nudity (which occasionally happens on stargate) they show the nudity instead of hiding it. If they treated violence on Stargate like they treated nudity what we would see is the good guys, then the bad gys, then we would get a shot of the good guys firing there guns but we wouldnt see them actually shoot the bad guys. They dont use film techniques to stop the audience seeing people getting shot so why use film techniques to stop the audience seeing abit of flesh.

[~Dave]

I personally would not have a problem with new laws saying anyone could walk around naked if they wanted too. What most pro nudity people on this thread are asking for i think is when the script calls for nudity (which occasionally happens on stargate) they show the nudity instead of hiding it. If they treated violence on Stargate like they treated nudity what we would see is the good guys, then the bad gys, then we would get a shot of the good guys firing there guns but we wouldnt see them actually shoot the bad guys. They dont use film techniques to stop the audience seeing epople getting shot so why use film techniques to stop the audience seeing abit of flesh.

Exactly. And I think you can be grateful for boundries only being removed or repositioned very slowly. Everytime a boundry is moved, it gets much harder to place it somewhere. Because someone else who may want another boundry moved will be right there to scream about equal treatment for their ideas of proper conduct. You may get more than you bargained for. This is all leading to a bigger picture of Anarchy. And I believe that if you ever you get this, you will want to install some walls yourself.

~Dave

[ykickamoocow]

Exactly. And I think you can be grateful for boundries only being removed or repositioned very slowly. Everytime a boundry is moved, it gets much harder to place it somewhere. Because someone else who may want another boundry moved will be right there to scream about equal treatment for their ideas of proper conduct. You may get more than you bargained for. This is all leading to a bigger picture of Anarchy. And I believe that if you ever you get this, you will want to install some walls yourself.

~Dave

So are you trying to suggest that seeing naked people on Atlantis is the first step to complete anarchy for a society?

All i want is for nudity to be treated the same way as violence. If violence is written into the script then they show the violence (people getting shot) but if nudity is written into the script then alot of film techniques are used to prevent the audience seeing that nudity.

[~Dave]

So are you trying to suggest that seeing naked people on Atlantis is the first step to complete anarchy for a society?

All i want is for nudity to be treated the same way as violence. If violence is written into the script then they show the violence (people getting shot) but if nudity is written into the script then alot of film techniques are used to prevent the audience seeing that nudity.

So that ALL you want, huh? Well other people may want even more. They may want homosexuality to be treated the same as nudity. They may want beastiality to be treated the same as nudity. They may want.........Anarchy?

Well you get the idea.

~Dave

[MerryK]

Are we really saying that with Vala, a lovely fun character kids would probably really be fond of, that it's better for the kids/family that we show her getting burned alive and screaming than with no shirt on?

Ah, but Vala's violence was for a reason, and it was designed to be horrifying. I think that is one of the most powerful scenes of the series, and you don't even see anything but a little scorched flesh. Sha're's nudity was also very powerful, but I got the same feeling from the earlier "artfully nude" scene...so I don't see a reason for the full nudity.

[~Dave]

Equality is the key, isn't it? You want to equate violence with nudity. I'm the prude at the door trying to keep you from opening it. So, ok, let's say you get this someday. Violence is equal to nudity. Neat equation, huh? Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say there are some things you do not accept. So now you become the prude at the door trying to keep something out you really do not want to allow. Do you see where this is going?

~Dave

[ykickamoocow]

Ah, but Vala's violence was for a reason, and it was designed to be horrifying. I think that is one of the most powerful scenes of the series, and you don't even see anything but a little scorched flesh. Sha're's nudity was also very powerful, but I got the same feeling from the earlier "artfully nude" scene...so I don't see a reason for the full nudity.

The thing is though why is the scene with Vala considered acceptable for children while the scene with Sha're considered unaccpetable?

Also i always felt that the Sha're scene was far more powerful than the earlier scene with the fake nudity and the funny camera angles. Sha're always seemed more vulnerable which made the Gou'ld seem more evil.

[Major Clanger]

I don't think anyone was advocating All Nudity, All the Time. And I don't think anyone was equating violence with nudity.

The point that most people who were "for nudity" (in fact, we were discussing one shoe-horned-in-scene) was that nudity does not equal porn.

One quick flash of a ladie's front-bottom does not equal moral degeneration on a grand scale. However the cries of "oh my god! I'd never let my kids see that" made me think (up until I'd seen the scene) that you'd all been watching something like Caligula.