SG-1-Use of Myth and Culture Thread

[Basaleia]

Hey everyone, i'm new to the forums so this is my first post I'm actually a graduate student and most of my work has been focused on ancient cultures, myths, texts, I can only aspire to be a Daniel Jackson in the making haha, anyway, my comment is simple, does it drive anyone else slightly nuts that they mispronounce Ba'al's name all the time on the show...to use a quote from O'Neill's character, its not Ba'al "as in Bocci" but is really pronounced like Buh-all. Anyway, I love stargate, love the characters, love the mythos, love the show, that's just the one little that drives me nuts lol

[Iffy]

When you consider Ancient Egypt, they had thousands of years in which to let their deities evolve



Do we really have that many written records for Sumeria and Mesopotamia? I know scholars had a much better grasp of cuneiform than hieroglyphs, but how many written records did they really leave behind. I mean, when I studied the ziggurat of Ur, I don't remember anything about the equivalent of books carved into the walls like in the Egyptian pyramids. I certainly don't remember much mention of writing in Mesopotamia.

While the ancient world was not my specialty, I thought I knew more than I apparently do--which is certainly more than possible. I could use some help filling in the gaps.

As one master's student said the Anceint Eypgtians wrote everything done and she did mean everything. I'd say Egypt has more written record than Mesopotamia, but what we do have from there is the evolution of an alphabet which makes it so wickedly cool. We have tax records , Gilgamesh, and Hamarabi, plus some other stuff. It's been a while since I had my class on the cunnieform cultures. There is also the bits that make it into the Bible so we get some other confirmation of of life and such in Mesoptamia. There is enough

Not as much as we have for the Greeks (not by a long shot) and a lot of it seems to be quite bitty (like the Egyptians...so irritating ) but you get cool bits of sustained stuff. I can't give a precise date or place to Gilgamesh, which is one of our earliest epics (if not the earliest- I know little of what was happening in Asian literature at this time) so Iffy would like to oblige, and also to probably contradict my statements as they're certainly the result of my brain incorrectly recalling details from my first year that have been supplanted by stuff I'm more interested in In fact, Iffy will certainly tell you I'm babbling nonsense...

I think you do great I wouldn't call myself a specialist- straight out of BA, doing a taught Masters, not a research one...and a mere 21 years old. It's more of an consuming academic passion that I've dabbled my toes into That's more than a lot of people have, granted, but I'm mostly versed in a couple of major cultures and not much else besides. I get the feeling that you like reading and learning (which considering your profession isn't that much of a surprise) and retain information better than I can (memory of a sieve here) so I'm not surprised when you remember stuff. I'll try to fill in the gaps, but as I'm a bit rubbish...

but you are so sweet when you babble scholarly odds and ends

Res as I was perusing a book catalogue I noticed the Eypgtian Book of the Dead in the 'Occult' section and when you think about it you see it in that section much more than history. We are still seeing the mystification of Anceint Eypgt. I find it amusing the placement of books in bookstores in general.

Hey everyone, i'm new to the forums so this is my first post I'm actually a graduate student and most of my work has been focused on ancient cultures, myths, texts, I can only aspire to be a Daniel Jackson in the making haha, anyway, my comment is simple, does it drive anyone else slightly nuts that they mispronounce Ba'al's name all the time on the show...to use a quote from O'Neill's character, its not Ba'al "as in Bocci" but is really pronounced like Buh-all. Anyway, I love stargate, love the characters, love the mythos, love the show, that's just the one little that drives me nuts lol

Hi That one does not really get to me. Though other stuff does

[Iffy]

sometimes I feel as in the first couple of seasons they jsut tossed out names that don't really go w/ the setting. Thinking of S2's 'Need'.

*shrugs*

[resurgamlaura]

sometimes I feel as in the first couple of seasons they jsut tossed out names that don't really go w/ the setting. Thinking of S2's 'Need'.

*shrugs*

"It sounds old, right?"

I wasn't aware of the mispronounciation of Ba'al's name, but I'm not surprised. Putting aside the fact that the writer would have probably picked the name out of the book or off the net (and I must admit that I mispronounce words I find in the dictionary all the time ) and it got pronounced as people saw fit, within academic circles there is usually such a variety of different ways to pronounce a word that depends on your native country, your native language, your school of thought, your influences as a student and of course your speciality (linguist? archaeologist? historian?) that the only constant is probably 'Achilles'- and there are many who argue that he should be called 'Achilleus'

[Iffy]

Not even old just out of place sometimes.

I constantly misprounce words from dead langauges what I constatnly misprounce, mispell, typo living langauges to

I remember my mid-east anthro Professor she's from Poland and two words confused her ewe and via (they pronouce it w/the "w" as it would be in Latin in the U.S. we use the "v") She also pronounced ewe just like it was spelled for a while we had a 5 minute lecture on the word ewe followed by the 10 minutes via one.

[resurgamlaura]

Not even old just out of place sometimes.

I constantly misprounce words from dead langauges what I constatnly misprounce, mispell, typo living langauges to

I remember my mid-east anthro Professor she's from Poland and two words confused her ewe and via (they pronouce it w/the "w" as it would be in Latin in the U.S. we use the "v") She also pronounced ewe just like it was spelled for a while we had a 5 minute lecture on the word ewe followed by the 10 minutes via one.

Good old pronouciation mix ups...

"Vidi, vedi, vinci'" sounds nowhere near as grand once you're been told that the Romans probably pronounced their 'v' as 'w'. "Widi, wedi, winci" anyone?

Good grief, my Latin spellings gone to pot...

[Iffy]

Good old pronouciation mix ups...

"Vidi, vedi, vinci'" sounds nowhere near as grand once you're been told that the Romans probably pronounced their 'v' as 'w'. "Widi, wedi, winci" anyone?

Good grief, my Latin spellings gone to pot...

I like it better w/ the 'w' I think it flows better then w/ the 'v'. my other fav is Iupiter - no hard 'j' that's what 'g' is for

[scifithinker]

"It sounds old, right?"

I wasn't aware of the mispronounciation of Ba'al's name, but I'm not surprised. Putting aside the fact that the writer would have probably picked the name out of the book or off the net (and I must admit that I mispronounce words I find in the dictionary all the time ) and it got pronounced as people saw fit, within academic circles there is usually such a variety of different ways to pronounce a word that depends on your native country, your native language, your school of thought, your influences as a student and of course your speciality (linguist? archaeologist? historian?) that the only constant is probably 'Achilles'- and there are many who argue that he should be called 'Achilleus'

I mispronounce things all the time; it's the byproduct of reading rather than hearing new words. As far as Achilles is concerned, half the time I say it Ah-sheel, courtesy of Orson Scott Card whose Achilles was a French character in the Ender series. It just worked out that way in my head. I'm not even sure that's how the French would say it.

[resurgamlaura]

I mispronounce things all the time; it's the byproduct of reading rather than hearing new words. As far as Achilles is concerned, half the time I say it Ah-sheel, courtesy of Orson Scott Card whose Achilles was a French character in the Ender series. It just worked out that way in my head. I'm not even sure that's how the French would say it.

That would depend on whether there is a radically different French spelling. Considering that 'Odysseus' became 'Ulixes' in Latin and then became 'Ulysses' in English (no-one in Classics calls him by the latter anymore, and quite rightly so) it's a possibility. Although they tend to be a bit better about these things. On the subject of name-morphing, can anyone work out how 'Paris' became so when he's 'Alexandros' in the Greek? Because they're not exactly similar...

[Iffy]

That would depend on whether there is a radically different French spelling. Considering that 'Odysseus' became 'Ulixes' in Latin and then became 'Ulysses' in English (no-one in Classics calls him by the latter anymore, and quite rightly so) it's a possibility. Although they tend to be a bit better about these things. On the subject of name-morphing, can anyone work out how 'Paris' became so when he's 'Alexandros' in the Greek? Because they're not exactly similar...

I'm still angry w/ Webster stifling my creativity by codifing spelling the nerve

The grat thing is there may have been some 'Paris'/'Alexandros' connection that was once culturally understood but uh yea. Who knows but it provides for some good chuckles sometimes

[Iffy]

I had a really deep thought at work and it's gone now
*sighs*

Res- what does your avatar say? As I am old and blind and cannot read it.

[resurgamlaura]

I had a really deep thought at work and it's gone now
*sighs*

Res- what does your avatar say? As I am old and blind and cannot read it.

You keep doing that

If you mean the avatar with the glasses of jello (or jelly, if you're a Brit) then it says 'SGC power source'

[Iffy]

You keep doing that

If you mean the avatar with the glasses of jello (or jelly, if you're a Brit) then it says 'SGC power source'

that's cute

I can do food in American, English English, and Autstralian as long as I have cultural context

[Iffy]

Did anyone else notice Thor's ringlet curls in his beard in 'Thor's Chariot'? I just kept thinking that's not Zues.

[resurgamlaura]

Did anyone else notice Thor's ringlet curls in his beard in 'Thor's Chariot'? I just kept thinking that's not Zues.

Has he been lurking in that sacophagus?