The Jaffa versus the Wraith

[Peoples_General]

due to numbers from the wraith, the jaffa would soon lose ships were they could not even build any and by then the wraith would of aleast taken a hatak for analysis and figured out the hyperdrive on it and then they would be a bit faster.

and plus wraith know what they are doing with technology such as fixing or modifiying tech and making them. e.g. the difiant one, with the puddle jumper


wraith would win

Wraith Numbers? Excuse me, but there is an entire galaxy full of Humans and Jaffa. The Jaffa are about as numerous as we humans (not just Earth humans) are. There are billions of them and there are HUNDREDS of Ha'Taks.

These Jaffa slaves were the ones building the Ha'Taks for their old Goa'uld masters. So don't think that they've suddenly forgotten how their ships work or even how to build them. Just because their masters aren't around anymore, doesn't mean they know nothing.

Otherwise why would they have repair bays on different planets, and go about selling and buying parts of spaceships.

And if you've been paying attention to Atlantis, you might've seen the episode where the Wraith said that they rely completely on the Keepers to maintain the ship. Not to mention that over the years some of the tech has been unrepairable.

[PG15]

Theoretically speaking, if the Wraith manages to establish a base in the MW and was able to feed off of the humans here, then they would have the fuel to create many more Wraiths and Wraith ships.

[Peoples_General]

What episode has the 11% drop in Ha'taks shields from fighting a 304 though?

Off The Grid

The new, just off the assembly line, Oddessey fires it's railguns on 1 of the 3 Lucian Alliance Ha'Taks, who together blew the crap out of the Baal Clone's Ha'Tak. One of the ensons says that the railguns made 1 of the Ha'Tak's shields go down by 11%.

In that ep. the Baal Clone was harvesting StarGates from different planets.

[Peoples_General]

Theoretically speaking, if the Wraith manages to establish a base in the MW and was able to feed off of the humans here, then they would have the fuel to create many more Wraiths and Wraith ships.

They would need to feed on humans who are not under the control of the Ori. Otherwise Ori ships will take care of those Hives and Cruisers.

[Buba uognarf]

Shielded Ha'Taks can fair better against the Wraith ships. Both have fast firing pulse weapons, and the Ha'Taks themselves pack quite a punch.

Remember in The Reckoning, there were about 120 Ha'Taks ships under Baal's control and then about 200 or so Replicator-controlled Ha'Taks showed up. The Jaffa have PLENTY of ships.

How many Hives have we lowly Tauri blown the crap out of? About 10 or 12 now? lol

We've seen 304s seriously damage as well as destroy Hives and Cruisers, but so far the 304s haven't gone 1-vs-1 against a Ha'Tak and completely winning agaisnt it.

Thats why I think Ha'Taks can give Hives a problem.

Shields mean nothing, Despite having no shields Hives are probably more durable than Ha'taks,

1)hives are 11km long this comes from the people who designed them, so they're atleast 11 times larger than a ha'tak! easily enough to soak up their puny fire.
2)hives are like flying bricks, their armor can withstand direct naquadah ehanced nuclear hits and the structure is strong enough to fly through the acceleration disk of a black hole!

we've destroy 10, 3 by getting other hives to attack each other, 2 with ancient tech and 5 with beaming - we've been beaten every time in a straight fight including No Mans Lands, tactic scraped us a draw.

there were only about 120-170 ha'taks in reckoning max and that was supposedly the bulk of their fleets - though they probably have a lot more.

Hives have vastly more weapons on their ships and they fire bought 4x faster even if their weapons are half as strong (show evidence points to the contary) their still gonna have twice the firepower..

we have 2 cases, siege and misbegotten of the wraith firing weapons estimated in the gigaton range...

1) Misbegotten - large visable explosions from space
2) Siege III - Draining a Z.P.M in days, each shot would have to drain 100's of gigatons to do that!

in lost city an inferior prometheus goes against anubis, shields were failing but it still took at least a minute and hundreds of shots from Anubis's flagship..

hives beat the more advanced Deadalus shields in a few minutes...

even with the fleet they have at the moment the Wraith would crush the jaffa, but once they start building ships only the Ori would stand a chance...

these are the guys who beat the ancients!

[Ouroboros]

Off The Grid

The new, just off the assembly line, Oddessey fires it's railguns on 1 of the 3 Lucian Alliance Ha'Taks, who together blew the crap out of the Baal Clone's Ha'Tak. One of the ensons says that the railguns made 1 of the Ha'Tak's shields go down by 11%.

In that ep. the Baal Clone was harvesting StarGates from different planets.

I think they were talking about the 304 shields in that battle not the Ha'taks.

EMERSON: Bring us about… Captain, fire forward rail guns at the lead ship…looks likes we're going to be testing our shields.

The odyssey fires on Netan's ship taking damage.

EMERSON: evasive. Report.

MARKS: shields are holding but down 11% Sir. The Lucien Alliance ship shows minimal damage.

Their shields go down 11% after the Ha'tak shoots at them. Note that this particular 304 wasn't really ready for combat yet which might also explain why they didn't fire any missiles at the Ha'taks and only used railguns. Emerson also says earlier that their "shields have only been tested in simulations".

we have 2 cases, siege and misbegotten of the wraith firing weapons estimated in the gigaton range...

1) Misbegotten - large visable explosions from space
2) Siege III - Draining a Z.P.M in days, each shot would have to drain 100's of gigatons to do that!

The hive from misbegotten was also the same one from No mans land that had already been nuked. It was even stated at the begining that it's power generation was only operating at 50% capacity. It's all but certain that a fully operational, undamaged and properly crewed hive would do better than this even.

Also seige III points to 5-10 petatons per second per ship as what's needed to drain the ZPM with a bombardment that lasts for 1 second shy of 7 full uninterrupted days.

Most people tend to start talking about special "anti shield bolts" to preserve sanity at that point though. A single petaton is 1 million gigatons.

[josh]

i think the jaffa woul dbe pitiful against the wraith... we know wraith are decendants of ancients in combination with the eratus bug, and we know they can backwards engineer. we also know that from the orion (even though not at 100%) could be blown up easily in a daedalus-orion vs hive-hive battle. this must mean that their weapons technology is prety close to that of the ancients (well by pretty close... i mean closer than the jaffa and or earth, we havent seen any wraith drones). i think jaffa would be beaten unless they teamed with the asgard, and i think a large number of hives, maybe 15-20 could give a few of toilets a run for their money... unless we find out toilets are powered by ori zpm's

[wise one]

the wraith weapons are just as anubis's upgraded weapons, with muti-shot fire and im guessing thats from the ancients which is similar to the fire from the weapon in trinity and the pulse weapons from the ori ships.

so really i think the wraith win

[Kingomon]

If the Wraith attacked the Jaffa in force what could Earth do. Earth's best course of action would be to start looking for LOTS of drones for the antarctic weapon and generally fortifying Earth as much as possible. Hopefully then the Wraith decide it's not worth it to attack since there's a whole galaxy of humans/Jaffa out there for them to eat more easily instead.

I'm not even sure the antarctic weapon to put them off though. Atlantis' drones didn't put them off during the original ancient war, only the shield stopped them. Earth doesn't have a shield so we'd probably just kill a few hives before they blew the outpost up with orbital strikes and then culled the effectively helpless planet.

Earth would look for things but they would send the O-ship to cause some trouble for the wraith just to be sure they arn't as powerful when they attack earth.

[mckaychick]

wraith would win

[Admiral Mappalazarou]

Seriously though, The Wraith would get out the sticks of SHAFT and SHAFT until they can SHAFT no more.


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