Small Tok'ra Question

[Asgard Buddy]

*Dumb question alert*

Okay, so the Tok'ra are Goa'ulds who have chosen not to be parisites, right? And so they branched off from the rest of the Goa'ulds.

So is the reason why they don't have the Goa'uld genetic knowlege because they left their "cousins" so long ago? Meaning they want new info as much as the humans do.

[Crazedwraith]

You don't seem to be asking any actual questions. Merely rhetorical ones.

Yes, what you siad is perefectly correct. So? And? But? Therefore?

[VirtualCLD]

Yes, what you siad is perefectly correct. So? And? But? Therefore?

And as a continuation:
"Well? WHAT?" -Jack O'Neill

Yes, they branched off from the goa'uld and we assume the queen only passed down her beliefs and ideals to the larva Tok'ra.

[Selmak]

They have the genetic knowledge of Queen Egeria the original Tok'ra... she had all the Goa'uld knowledge up to then... which was a few thousand year ago. They obviously have knowledge of most Goa'uld tech... they now serve as spies in the Goa'uld ranks to get info about they System Lords so they can destroy them NOT to gain tech knowledge most of the time.

[Asgard Buddy]

Okay, thanks. I was more trying to make sure I was right. I didn't even know there was a Tok'ra queen until 5 minutes ago when I found another thread about her. Thanks for confirming my thoughts!

[Selmak]

sure... no prob... bud

[Ocelot]

Ahhh, but remember that the Tok'Ra queen spawned the Tok'Ra 2000 years ago. A lot could happen to the Goa'Uld in that time.

[Skydiver]

egeria, for whatever reason, decided that she didn't like how the goauld did things, taking slaves, forcefully taking hosts, pillaging and conquering. so she broke off and went her own way. since she was a queen, she was able to spawn several/many/hundreds/...no exact number has ever been given, of off-spring that also followed her beliefs.
they became the tok'ra.

however, what egeria did was heresy and blasphemy to the goauld (ya gotta stamp out those that don't follow along with the hive mind) so ra captured and imprisoned her (we see this in The Cure)

the pangerans found her centuries/millennia later and started to study her, not realizing or maybe not caring that they were studying a sentient being. we can only guess that her own personal beliefs kept her from forcefully taking a host and making her escape. we see her fate in The Cure

in the 2000 years since egeria has disappeared, her children have continued her struggle, fighting goauld oppression, but they have several obstacles.

first of all, they were a small group to begin with. second of all, by not forcefully taking a host, tok'ra do die when thier hosts to. third, since they don't use the sarc, their hosts only live 2-400 years instead of thousands.

so, to quote sam, zero to negative population growth. that original spawn of egeria are all there are, save a few defectors over the years.

since the tok'ra haven't sampled the goauld genetic memory pool in 2000 years, that's as far back as their knowledge goes. they have no queen, no way to spreading knowledge save teh old fashioned way, so they're basically behind the times.

[aschen]

They have the genetic knowledge of Queen Egeria the original Tok'ra... she had all the Goa'uld knowledge up to then... which was a few thousand year ago. They obviously have knowledge of most Goa'uld tech... they now serve as spies in the Goa'uld ranks to get info about they System Lords so they can destroy them NOT to gain tech knowledge most of the time.

Good call. My best guess is that they're behind a few thousand years in terms of technological advancement than the Goa'uld because they left that branch quite some time ago.

[KorbenDirewolf]

Have to contradict you on a one of your points. Tok'ra DO forcibly take hosts to save their own life.. Jolinar of Malksur and Lantash as two examples.

[Skydiver]

true, they do forcibly take hosts, to save thier own lives. and we've seen examples of tok'ra possessing said hosts, like jolinar did sam and kanan did jack.

this would suggest, despite their high ideals and alledged morals, they're not as far removed from the goauld as they would like

[aschen]

Well they're still parasitic in nature. No way of getting around that.

[KorbenDirewolf]

True, but they continue to claim they only use willing hosts.

[aschen]

Well of course! It's like the kid at the candy store that steals a piece of candy and denies it to the end.

[Skydiver]

True, but they continue to claim they only use willing hosts.

i think they do use willing hosts.....but until they get down to that 'facing death' bit....then survival instincts take over and their morals disappear

morals are easyto have if they're not challenged