Theory on where Ra got the egypt stargate.

[knowsfords]

Okay, now we all know that the egypt stargate has the same POO as earth's original stargate and for Ra to have known what the ancients used as the POO would have been impossible.

I believe that Ra originally came upon Mars as a desolate world he could pilfer a perfectly good stargate and dhd from, then by chance discovered earth and its inhabitants. He then promptly placed the gate he got from Mars in the spot closest to the primative humans.

Here's my reasoning; the POO doesn't have to change for every solar system as it is an obvious representative thereof. There have been solar systems with multiple gates on them before. A gate address does not follow a logical order ie two gates in one solar system can have completely different addresses.

[Chops]

I don't recall any two-gate systems. Source please?

Also, why does it need to be explained where it came from? It'd make more sense if he took it from some random planet that wasn't useful to him. For that matter, it could be a space stargate, explaining why we don't see any of them in our Galaxy.

Why would Mars have a Stargate anyway? They're usually only on habitable worlds.

Now, if you were trying to explain why the PoO of the gate Anubis brought is a pyramid and sun, that might be worth reading.

[spg_1983]

the only time we have seen the possibility is in the episode where they went to keb. the explanation they gave for figuring out which planet was keb was because of a certain series of goa'uld mined planets that had a common name, one of them wasnt on the abydos cartouche but was in the ancients master list. the suggestion was that the planets were in the same star system, however it was not explicitly stated and it has been much contested as to whether multiple stargates can operate in the same system as it has never been explained whether the point of origin is in reference to the system or the planet. personally i think it may have been possible in certain unique circumstances but i dont think it was a common occurence.

as for Ra's gate, sorry but while its entirely possible that he got the gate from mars or another planet in our system, you are wrong in the fact that Ra's gate and the original earth gate do not have the same PoO. when the antartic gate was discovered carter specifically said that she did not recognize a symbol on it so that must be the PoO. however this fact was forgotten, overlooked or ignored when the antartic gate got put into use, likely because when the first introduced the antartic gate they hadnt had the idea for the gates being switched yet, and if they introduced the new PoO, it would require them to redo the opening credits, all the stored CG they use for the gate dialing as well as making the title script and all of the SGC patches and symbols obsolete because they feature Ra's gate's PoO. so while im not saying Ra couldnt have gotten his gate from mars, its not supported by your idea.

[knowsfords]

if they introduced the new PoO, it would require them to redo the opening credits, all the stored CG they use for the gate dialing as well as making the title script and all of the SGC patches and symbols obsolete because they feature Ra's gate's PoO. so while im not saying Ra couldnt have gotten his gate from mars, its not supported by your idea.

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I'm pretty sure that the ancients also used the ^ symbol for earths POO.

[spg_1983]

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I'm pretty sure that the ancients also used the ^ symbol for earths POO.

no that was the symbol on the gate found in egypt, which was brought from another planet by Ra. the gate that the Ancients placed on earth had a completely different PoO symbol.

[knowsfords]

no that was the symbol on the gate found in egypt, which was brought from another planet by Ra. the gate that the Ancients placed on earth had a completely different PoO symbol.

Then why did daniel in the ancient outpost decipher the atlantis address featuring said symbol? You are assuming that because sam didn't recognise the earth POO featured on the antartic gate that it wasn't there, as I recall of the episode solitudes they were feeling the effects of extreme cold rather quickly so it is entirely possible that she couldn't make out the POO symbol for that reason.

[newtrekker]

no that was the symbol on the gate found in egypt, which was brought from another planet by Ra. the gate that the Ancients placed on earth had a completely different PoO symbol.

If you see the ep 'Lost City' again. When O'Niell has the Ancient knowledge downloaded into his brain. He tore of Daniels patch and said 'At' sorry if it's the wrong spelling but that's what is sounded like. So the Ancients must have known the symbol when they built the repository of knowledge. This makes it confusing.

[spg_1983]

Then why did daniel in the ancient outpost decipher the atlantis address featuring said symbol? You are assuming that because sam didn't recognise the earth POO featured on the antartic gate that it wasn't there, as I recall of the episode solitudes they were feeling the effects of extreme cold rather quickly so it is entirely possible that she couldn't make out the POO symbol for that reason.

he wrote it out as having the earths PoO address because that was the symbol he has been using for 8 years and it was habit, and more than likely the address wasnt written down with the PoO. we have seen two different occurences of stargate addresses being stored, one the cartouche on abydos by the goa'uld, and the second the complete list entered by oniell under the influence of the Ancient repository. in both cases the addresses were written in six digit form leaving off the PoO because it is a universal address, the PoO is different for every planet so you wouldnt write it since its a given.

sam specifically said after she examined the gate and DHD that there was only one symbol she didnt recognize, even under the effects of the cold, it is highly unlikely she would make that statement unless she was sure. if it had been there she would have been more likely to see it because it would have been out of place to her, think she was on another planet.

[spg_1983]

If you see the ep 'Lost City' again. When O'Niell has the Ancient knowledge downloaded into his brain. He tore of Daniels patch and said 'At' sorry if it's the wrong spelling but that's what is sounded like. So the Ancients must have known the symbol when they built the repository of knowledge. This makes it confusing.

yes they would have know the symbol because they built the gate, it just wasnt on the planet they originally put it on thats all. if Ra had built the gate and oniell knew the ancient pronunciation for it that would be weird, but there is nothing confusing about this.

[Ice Wolf]

The way i see it is that the point of orgin symbol is in the same spot on each gate and dhd and only the symbol differrent other wise the gate would have thousands of symbols on the. also they only ever need to have the first 6 symbols to dial anything as the seventh is POO symbol. The actual symbol itself means nothing and is just a short hand way of signifing a world instead of using the 6/7 symbol gate address with out the POO (7 being distance/area code)
The POO may not even need to be calibrated or maybe it could be used as a way of the dhd sending the dialing gates address to the recieveing gate to be keep in records.

[Ice Wolf]

yes they would have know the symbol because they built the gate, it just wasnt on the planet they originally put it on thats all. if Ra had built the gate and oniell knew the ancient pronunciation for it that would be weird, but there is nothing confusing about this.

The pronunciation comes from the 6 symbol address not the point of origin

[the ancient repli-carter]

Sorry to add more confusion to the mix but in the SGA episode "The Defiant One" we see the wraith and sheppard reffer to the Ancients as the Lantians, which is where the derivative Latin comes from IMHO, but also a few other times the Atlantians have been reffered to as Lantians, now if you ignore all other 2gates and 2 PoO data then it makes sense that if earths PoO was "AT" then they would consider them selves Lantians from AT making them the Atlantians.

I realise that this is only specualtion but it makes matters more confusing as it means the Ancients had a relationship to the Giza gate, and in the "real world" there is evidence of some pyramid formations on mars, and specualtion that life once existed there.

It could be that they made there home on mars, the ecological disaster there made it uninhabitable and they upped and left in Atlantis to the next planet of earth.

It might also explain Ras love of Pyramids and starting off the egyptian culture if he found a stargate on a dead world such as mars, there could have been some remanents of an ancient outpost there near the gate, would certainly explain how he had a ZPM.

Just my two cents...

[spg_1983]

The pronunciation comes from the 6 symbol address not the point of origin

no the PoO symbol had its own pronunciation as well, hence oniell saying "At" for the earths PoO. when Daniel related the address in phonetic ancient to Weir he said "So the address of the planet is Proclarush Taonas, and with the PoO it becomes Procloroush Taonas At"

[spg_1983]

Sorry to add more confusion to the mix but in the SGA episode "The Defiant One" we see the wraith and sheppard reffer to the Ancients as the Lantians, which is where the derivative Latin comes from IMHO, but also a few other times the Atlantians have been reffered to as Lantians, now if you ignore all other 2gates and 2 PoO data then it makes sense that if earths PoO was "AT" then they would consider them selves Lantians from AT making them the Atlantians.

I realise that this is only specualtion but it makes matters more confusing as it means the Ancients had a relationship to the Giza gate, and in the "real world" there is evidence of some pyramid formations on mars, and specualtion that life once existed there.

It could be that they made there home on mars, the ecological disaster there made it uninhabitable and they upped and left in Atlantis to the next planet of earth.

It might also explain Ras love of Pyramids and starting off the egyptian culture if he found a stargate on a dead world such as mars, there could have been some remanents of an ancient outpost there near the gate, would certainly explain how he had a ZPM.

Just my two cents...

its just a coincedence. there has never been any suggestion that the ancients had more than the outpost here. plus if the "At" was a refference to earth it would come at the end, Lantianat's" not at the begining. Lantian is just a colloquial slang/mispronunciation of Atlantian.

[newtrekker]

its just a coincedence. there has never been any suggestion that the ancients had more than the outpost here. plus if the "At" was a refference to earth it would come at the end, Lantianat's" not at the begining. Lantian is just a colloquial slang/mispronunciation of Atlantian.

and Atlantians means they're the Ancients from Atlantis. Lantian I think is just slang too.

no the PoO symbol had its own pronunciation as well, hence oniell saying "At" for the earths PoO. when Daniel related the address in phonetic ancient to Weir he said "So the address of the planet is Proclarush Taonas, and with the PoO it becomes Procloroush Taonas At"

Hence they're are seven symbols in "Proclarush Taonas At", one for each glyph of the gate address, so the Ancients had a one syllable name for each of the glyphs.