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why after 2000 years is Novus not that much more advanced then present day earth?
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Originally posted by slimjim View Postwhat about "Treebark, sandstone"?
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Originally posted by morrismike View PostThe dead sea scrolls are over 2000 years old and are animal skin. Writing stuff down is easy. It is remarkable to think they'd leave the stones on Destiny as they are very valuable. It would be a simple matter to record knowledge.
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Originally posted by morrismike View PostThe dead sea scrolls are over 2000 years old and are animal skin. Writing stuff down is easy.
Parchment (made of animal skin) is very sensitive to moisture and is not water proof, because is only limed, and not tanned. Since the development of synthetic fibers and artificial leather, extremly few clothing factories in the West still use natural skins, and those that use them, usually import from other countries already treated skins.
Same thing goes for the papyrus.
In this case, how many scientists would of kown to bleach and tann skin if nobody even knows what tanning is? How many of you what tanning is, raise your hands?
Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gnostic Gospels have survived until today mainly because they were kept in DESERT areas where its extremly DRY, whereas forests tend to be very wet.
The "Gospel of Judas" for example, when it was first found, it wasn't very damaged, but after being kept 20 or so years in a safe in Switzerland, it was destroyed more than 50%. Moisture is a very big problem.
If fact, this is the main problem of paper. It tends to get yellow after years, especially in wet environment.
Also if you want to write, you'd need either ink or graphite. Ink is problematic because of the wet environment and make the ink strong enough to not get wiped the moment you rub the paper and not get soaked in it.
And since graphite doesn't grow in trees, using charcoal as a writing tool would make more sense (but would also be dirty), since its easier to make.It's all about startegy. Out-maneuvering the opposition, bending him to your will.
-Dexter-
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Originally posted by SGSargon View PostThe Dead Sea Scrolls are written on parchment and papyrus.
Parchment (made of animal skin) is very sensitive to moisture and is not water proof, because is only limed, and not tanned. Since the development of synthetic fibers and artificial leather, extremly few clothing factories in the West still use natural skins, and those that use them, usually import from other countries already treated skins.
Same thing goes for the papyrus.
In this case, how many scientists would of kown to bleach and tann skin if nobody even knows what tanning is? How many of you what tanning is, raise your hands?
Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gnostic Gospels have survived until today mainly because they were kept in DESERT areas where its extremly DRY, whereas forests tend to be very wet.
The "Gospel of Judas" for example, when it was first found, it wasn't very damaged, but after being kept 20 or so years in a safe in Switzerland, it was destroyed more than 50%. Moisture is a very big problem.
If fact, this is the main problem of paper. It tends to get yellow after years, especially in wet environment.
Also if you want to write, you'd need either ink or graphite. Ink is problematic because of the wet environment and make the ink strong enough to not get wiped the moment you rub the paper and not get soaked in it.
And since graphite doesn't grow in trees, using charcoal as a writing tool would make more sense (but would also be dirty), since its easier to make.
"if nobody even knows what tanning is?" what makes you think non of them know what tanning is?
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Originally posted by slimjim View Post"how many scientists would of kown to bleach and tann skin" given there all smart people and there is over 30 of them, I'd say at least one or two
"if nobody even knows what tanning is?" what makes you think non of them know what tanning is?
Since the development of synthetic fibers and artificial leather (and protests from PETA), industrialised countries have pretty much abandoned natural skins processing and tanning is more common used in third-world countries. Any other natural skins used in industry is usually imported from there.
So why would scientists that work with advanced physics and electronics have to know tanning?It's all about startegy. Out-maneuvering the opposition, bending him to your will.
-Dexter-
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Originally posted by Quizziard View PostThe stones don't record - but didn't the "survivors" assume that they were only going to be off the ship for a very short time... would they have bothered to take stones? If they were expecting to be marooned they'd have taken literally everything they could carry.
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Originally posted by slimjim View Post"how many scientists would of kown to bleach and tann skin" given there all smart people and there is over 30 of them, I'd say at least one or two
"if nobody even knows what tanning is?" what makes you think non of them know what tanning is?
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Originally posted by SGSargon View PostDo you know what tanning is? Without having to look on the Internet or in books.
Since the development of synthetic fibers and artificial leather (and protests from PETA), industrialised countries have pretty much abandoned natural skins processing and tanning is more common used in third-world countries. Any other natural skins used in industry is usually imported from there.
So why would scientists that work with advanced physics and electronics have to know tanning?
if you got 30 people together of high intelligence I'm willing to bet....just by chance at least one will know that as a piece of general knowledge
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Originally posted by slimjim View Post"Do you know what tanning is?" no but I'm only one person
if you got 30 people together of high intelligence I'm willing to bet....just by chance at least one will know that as a piece of general knowledge
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Originally posted by slimjim View Post"Do you know what tanning is?" no but I'm only one person
if you got 30 people together of high intelligence I'm willing to bet....just by chance at least one will know that as a piece of general knowledge
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Originally posted by slimjim View Post"Do you know what tanning is?" no but I'm only one person
if you got 30 people together of high intelligence I'm willing to bet....just by chance at least one will know that as a piece of general knowledge
And without any chemical analysis.It's all about startegy. Out-maneuvering the opposition, bending him to your will.
-Dexter-
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Originally posted by SGSargon View PostYou know, by this logic, 30 physicists of high intelligence should figure out the COMPLETE recipe for Coca-Cola with only limited knowledge of what it is, as in taste, colour and whatever is written on the label.... on Earth.
And without any chemical analysis.
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Originally posted by SGSargon View PostYou know, by this logic, 30 physicists of high intelligence should figure out the COMPLETE recipe for Coca-Cola with only limited knowledge of what it is, as in taste, colour and whatever is written on the label.... on Earth.
And without any chemical analysis.
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