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    #46
    Why do you think they can only travel at the speed of light? Or on that note, why do you think they need to travel at all?

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      #47
      Originally posted by Kab View Post
      Why do you think they can only travel at the speed of light? Or on that note, why do you think they need to travel at all?
      because they do

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        #48
        Originally posted by garhkal View Post
        On the Oma front.. i felt her using the gate was also more for symbolism than any actual purpose..
        sorry confused--symbolizing what theme?
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          #49
          Originally posted by morrismike View Post
          even if it were made they would have had to first "move" a planet and sun for raw materials
          but couldn't they just create the raw materials out of raw matter instead, assuming they were advanced to this particular lofty degree to do so?
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            #50
            Originally posted by StargateWatcher View Post
            but couldn't they just create the raw materials out of raw matter instead, assuming they were advanced to this particular lofty degree to do so?
            even GOD has to comply with his own laws (physics)

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              #51
              Originally posted by morrismike View Post
              even GOD has to comply with his own laws (physics)
              The raw matter needed to create the sun and planet would be a sun and a planet. If you're going to move a sun and planet for spare parts, then why not just place them as you wish and walk away?

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                #52
                Originally posted by morrismike View Post
                even GOD has to comply with his own laws (physics)
                but couldn't such a higher being even change the laws temporarily in a designated region of space?
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by morrismike View Post
                  because they do
                  Oh, why of course. Why didn't I think about that.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by StargateWatcher View Post
                    but couldn't such a higher being even change the laws temporarily in a designated region of space?
                    no

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Kab View Post
                      Oh, why of course. Why didn't I think about that.
                      anytime I can help

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by morrismike View Post
                        even GOD has to comply with his own laws (physics)
                        stictly, no: miracles (heal the sick, blind see, lame walk, whatever) by their very definition have to defy physics (an incurable cancer shouldn't disappear with no trace it was ever there.)

                        a good name for any act like those is 'supernatural' - that is, outside what we understand to be the laws of physics and nature. we do not know everything about the universe though, and so - while we cannot explain 'miracles' - it does not mean that there is no explanation.
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                          #57
                          Originally posted by StargateWatcher View Post
                          sorry confused--symbolizing what theme?
                          exploration, advancement, the future. those would be my guesses.
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                            #58
                            Originally posted by StargateWatcher View Post
                            but couldn't such a higher being even change the laws temporarily in a designated region of space?
                            A higher being may be able to negate gravity towards a particular large mass. The sun that needs to move is for instance acted upon by many forces at once. Negate a few of those forces and it will move in a different direction potentially towards where you need it to go. Move it steadily enough and those planets in orbit should remain in orbit with only minor corrections needed.

                            Temporarily nullifying a force such as gravity is entirely different than creating something from thin air. I've never really understood why people aren't on board with the planet/sun being moved being far simpler than snapping your fingers to create them from thin air. Obviously the planet "movers" aren't that sophisticated/godlike as replicating/cloning lifeforms is beyond them.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Keeper View Post
                              stictly, no: miracles (heal the sick, blind see, lame walk, whatever) by their very definition have to defy physics (an incurable cancer shouldn't disappear with no trace it was ever there.)

                              a good name for any act like those is 'supernatural' - that is, outside what we understand to be the laws of physics and nature. we do not know everything about the universe though, and so - while we cannot explain 'miracles' - it does not mean that there is no explanation.
                              creating things from thin air is outside of anything to ever be considered science, moving things would be low tech to an advanced uberrace

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by morrismike View Post
                                creating things from thin air is outside of anything to ever be considered science, moving things would be low tech to an advanced uberrace
                                agreed, but there's no suggestion of thin air - the quote:
                                Originally posted by StargateWatcher View Post
                                but couldn't they just create the raw materials out of raw matter instead, assuming they were advanced to this particular lofty degree to do so?
                                emphasis mine.

                                space debris is something. asteroids something. the stuff appeared from apparent nothingness - but even motion would have some indication, unless it were well beyond any speed the sensors can detect. on the other hand, phasing out materials makes them (to our understanding) undetectable, shown when carter can't be found in the SGC (phased to another dimension admittedly) or when using merlin's device (and searched for by a prior using ori-enhanced senses.) the ascended beings we know of (ancients and ori both, as well as those like oma desala) are normally outside our phase or senses, so far as we know.

                                a creator deity would have power to create even from nothing (i.e. god) - the universe is a pretty shocking example, from a religious perspective

                                but an alien advanced enough to be similar to an ascended being already has methodology to phase-shift - giving them a means of working without detection, and they could use whichever method was simply most convenient
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