Stasis rooms possible on Destiny ? SPOILERS S1 and S2

[Crias]

Well I think the 50+ million years estimate was because of the DHD and that we know that the gate system was at its current level of development at that point. Since the gate on destiny is a prototype we have to assume that it predates the gates in the milky way. But still, if destiny was only a few million years old than why doesn’t it look like Atlantis? Destiny shows no sign of Lantian architecture at all. So either destiny is 50 million (give or take 10 million) years old or there is a serious plot hole here.

[D Toccs]

Well I think the 50+ million years estimate was because of the DHD and that we know that the gate system was at its current level of development at that point. Since the gate on destiny is a prototype we have to assume that it predates the gates in the milky way. But still, if destiny was only a few million years old than why doesn’t it look like Atlantis? Destiny shows no sign of Lantian architecture at all. So either destiny is 50 million (give or take 10 million) years old or there is a serious plot hole here.

Well I think you completely missed my point. The "50 million years" thing was never a fact, it was just a guess, and even if it was a fact it has since been retconned down to only a few million.

Even if Destiny only predated Atlantis by 500 thousand years, why should it look anything like it? Do you actually realise how long that is?
Think about how our Cars look now compared to how they looked 50 years ago.

[Crias]

True but cars still rely on the same type of engine and are made of the same materials. Atlantis and Destiny are made out of entirely different materials and runs on an entirely different engine system. Comparing destiny to Atlantis is like comparing a bicycle to a fighter jet.

[D Toccs]

True but cars still rely on the same type of engine and are made of the same materials. Atlantis and Destiny are made out of entirely different materials and runs on an entirely different engine system. Comparing destiny to Atlantis is like comparing a bicycle to a fighter jet.

No one is comparing it. Again you've missed my point.

You say that if Destiny was only a million or so years older than Atlantis, that it should look the same or it is a plot hole. That is ridiculous, a million years is a very long time.
As I said, even if Destiny was only 500 thousand years older, that is a long time and building materials and design aesthetic would most likely change drastically over that many years.
500 thousand years is over double how long our species has been around.

[thekillman]

True but cars still rely on the same type of engine

since we have electric and fuel cell cars, i tend to disagree.

500 thousand years is over double how long our species has been around.

just look at the aesthetics of 50 years ago and theres a world of difference. double our species' existence would mean utterly alien aesthetics

[Nth Chevron]

I know what you both getting at, i understand both points.

But with Destiny's design and her age and level of technology, we assumed it to be older than the DHD found in Antarctica which would make it flipping ancient.

I dont quite think the writers remembered that they had approximated when the MK2 gates were developed and in use and went a bit ott with her age, not guessing that we would figure her into the fanbase' timeline from what they have shown us in the past.

As it stands, Destiny's age is still up in the air, from evidence on the show we approximate her age of at least 50 million years. From what the writers seem to be divulging is that the Destiny is not much older than Atlantis which doesnt track with the Ancients level of tech at the time. This would have happened if there was already an established timeline by the writers (grumble grumble) so we are left to interpret as best we can using the previous shows.

Dont expect Destiny to conform with the Stargate timeline if there is a time/ self fulfilling prophecy surrounding Destiny and her mission either.

N.C

[Crias]

No one is comparing it. Again you've missed my point.

You say that if Destiny was only a million or so years older than Atlantis, that it should look the same or it is a plot hole. That is ridiculous, a million years is a very long time.
As I said, even if Destiny was only 500 thousand years older, that is a long time and building materials and design aesthetic would most likely change drastically over that many years.
500 thousand years is over double how long our species has been around.

Well I do understand what you’re saying about their needing to be at least some similarity between the destiny and Atlantis but the fact is we don’t know, and until someone can show me a definite timeline from the show I will continue to believe that Destiny is tens of millions of years old. Also the human species is about 2.4 million years old, and were using stone tools at this time. (Archaeology student at university and I’m studying towards a specialisation in Stone Age humans)

[Nth Chevron]

Heres hoping you find something ring shaped, weighs about 64 tonnes, with 39 symbols on a spinning inner ring somewhere around Egypt

N.C

[Crias]

Hahaha the reason i got into the field Also I’m watching SG:1 “Frozen” and carter said that the date of the ice puts Aiyana at a minimum of 3 million years old.

[D Toccs]

Well I do understand what you’re saying about their needing to be at least some similarity between the destiny and Atlantis

Then you clearly don't understand my point, because I was saying that there doesn't need to be any similarity at all.

Also the human species is about 2.4 million years old, and were using stone tools at this time.

Anthropology Fail.
Homo Sapiens (us) have only been around for about 250,000 years.

[Crias]

But the Genus homo was already alive and kicking 2.5 million years ago, homo-sapiens sapiens have only been around for 500 thousand years.

[D Toccs]

But the Genus homo was already alive and kicking 2.5 million years ago, homo-sapiens sapiens have only been around for 500 thousand years.

The genus Homo is not us, it contains many different species some of which eventually evolved into Homo Sapiens.
Homo Sapiens first appeared in Africa approximately 250,000 years ago, this is an area that I can talk about with some expertise.

But this is all off topic anyway.

[thekillman]

Hahaha the reason i got into the field Also I’m watching SG:1 “Frozen” and carter said that the date of the ice puts Aiyana at a minimum of 3 million years old.

given that daniel estimated atlantis to have left between 5 and 10 million years ago and the opening of rising says "several million years ago", i think it can be nailed at about 5.



Destiny is older. i doubt 50 million years though. the height of the ancients was, by logic, before the plague hit. we don't know how long ago the plague hit, but since ayanna was present at the launch of Atlantis, we can estimate older than 5 million years to a max of about 10 million.


does that work correctly with the gates? no. but the 50 million figure is only 1 figure ever given and hence it's position as accurate is very, very weak.

on the other hand, Vis Uban, the crown jewel of the MW ancients, wasn't even close to finished when the plague hit. and we can date the plague back a few million years but not too many. and since we have the atlantis launch time at around 5 million, that would make Destiny perhaps six.


again it doesn't sit correctly with the gates but i simply don't see the 50 million figure as correct.

[D Toccs]

Agreed.

The 50 million figure was given very early in the series run, before they had even really developed the mythos of the Ancients.

Once they started to flesh out the Ancients and their story they retconned the 50 million figure out of existence and went with the "around 5 million" figure.

[Crias]

Has anyone else noticed how odd Vis Uban looks? Also if Aiyana was at the launch of Atlantis and she had the plague (Were we ever told if the plague was the reason Atlantis left or not?) anyway but if the plague was about the time of Atlantis style buildings and technology why didn’t Vis Uban have an ancient weapons platform?