All you ever wanted to know about the 9th chevron

[jenks]

They want to keep SGU relatively separate from SG-1 and Atlantis, I'd be surprised if the 9th chevron was introduced in either of them to be honest.

[from_orion]

Any chance the 2 DVD only movies will deal with this issue of the 9th Chevron?

I'm wondering if that is one of the "Surprises" the Producers talk about on the blogs?

Doubt it I think not.

[Guest]

They want to keep SGU relatively separate from SG-1 and Atlantis, I'd be surprised if the 9th chevron was introduced in either of them to be honest.

Yeah, It's very doubtful that the 9th chevron will be introduced in an SG-1 film, A film to open the new series is possible though (not including any of SG-1 in the cast)...

[from_orion]

Yeah, It's very doubtful that the 9th chevron will be introduced in an SG-1 film, A film to open the new series is possible though (not including any of SG-1 in the cast)...

Either that or just a normal pilot episode, perhaps with fresh characters.

[Akoho]

So many of you are assuming that because the chevron 8 takes you further away, chevron 9 must take you even further. Have you thought of the opposite? What if it allows you to chose between stargates that are on the same planet? I would imagine that of an Ancient home world, capital world, what ever, had only one stargate, it would be seriously crowded. Surely they would need several to travel effiently? Millions of people trying to use the one gate? Not very likely.

I know that we have not seen multiple stargates in the series, but Goa'ulds would have had a long time to redistribute these extra gate that "don't seem to have any purpose where they are" to more useful places.

So far they don't think that it is possible to have more than one functioning stargate per planet, but doesn't that seem like a pretty ridiculous limitation? Surely with all the other nearly impossible things the Ancients managed to do this should be pretty elementary?

[Pranksta]

So many of you are assuming that because the chevron 8 takes you further away, chevron 9 must take you even further. Have you thought of the opposite? What if it allows you to chose between stargates that are on the same planet? I would imagine that of an Ancient home world, capital world, what ever, had only one stargate, it would be seriously crowded. Surely they would need several to travel effiently? Millions of people trying to use the one gate? Not very likely.

I know that we have not seen multiple stargates in the series, but Goa'ulds would have had a long time to redistribute these extra gate that "don't seem to have any purpose where they are" to more useful places.

So far they don't think that it is possible to have more than one functioning stargate per planet, but doesn't that seem like a pretty ridiculous limitation? Surely with all the other nearly impossible things the Ancients managed to do this should be pretty elementary?

You can only use one gate at a time on one planet. Remember what happened When the SGC had a gate as well as the Russians. So if you can only use one gate at a time what would be the point of having more than one gate on a planet (unless one got 'lost' like the one in antartica)

I think I'd be leaning towards the idea of another cluster of galaxies.

When I first thought about it I thought it would be alternate realities because it wen from planet within the same galaxy and then dialling 8 chevrons expanded the area to a different galaxy. But Carter says there is an infinite number of alternate realties, and there isn't an infinite number of symbols on the gate so that would rule that out.

If it was time travel, well, there are a lot of years out there to go to and only 37 symbols on the gate. Unless you made a number for each symbol i.e. point of origin is 1. But then the chevron would have to lock in more than once and there'd also be the question of how to differentiate between going foward or back.


So, yeah. I'd say the most logic option wolud be a different cluster of galaxies because there are more than 37 galaxies out there.

[runnerX]

Okay, we all know the basic deal: 1-6 are for a location, 7th is a Point of Origin.

So Normal Address:
XXXXXXY
X-Location
Y-Point of Origin

Okay, now from the 5th race and Atlantis we have 8-Chevron address:
XXXXXXAY
X-Location
A-"Area Code" (Galaxy Address)
Y-Point of Origin

Alright, now we have the 9th Chevron which has yet to be used, now here is an idea i read and i kinda like it: an Extension. This would come into play when there is more than one gate in a given area. Now i know you already think: well, duh, that cant be true because we had two gates, and we never needed to use the 9th chevron. Well right you are, because if the Ninth isnt used it goes the to the Primary gate, which so happened to be ours.

Okay, so here is how i think a 9 Gate Address would go.
XXXXXXABY
X-Location
A-"Area Code" (Galaxy Address)
B-"Extension" (Gate Selector)
Y-Point of Origin.

Now if you wanted to go to a planet with more than one gate in the same galaxy you just ignore the area code, which would just mean that it activates a different chevron.

In other words, each chevron has a duty, even in a 8 or 9 glyph address

1-6 are ALWAYS destination glyphs
7 is ALWAYS point of origin
8 is ALWAYS galactic addresses
9 is ALWAYS a gate selector

all thats different is the order the chevrons activate.
for a normal connection its: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
for a out of galaxy its 1-2-3-4-5-6-8-7
for an extension its 1-2-3-4-5-6-8-9-7 if out of galaxy
for an extension in galaxy is 1-2-3-4-5-6-9-7

okay, what do you think?

Interesting theory.It should work unless the chevrons have to be initiated one after the other meaning that the 8 chevron, the galactic adress, has to be introduced before the 9 chevron,gate selector, in which case it wouldn't make sense why the last chevron would be a gate selector. Still is a great idea i didn't thought at this posibility.

[ebethman]

I think that the idea of glaxy clusters is very logical (and i wish i had thought of it myself), but not quite fitting in with what we know about the creation of the gates.

How many galaxies do we think that the ancients have colinised and established networks in?? i don't think that they've been around long enough for this.

although there level of technology is far advanced is still not as advanced as you would think that of a race that had not only populated multiple galxies, but clusters. one example of this "lack" of advanced technology is that they only have beeming in a preset area (shown in the Atlantis trasporters and the Sodan obolisk) while other races, like the asgard, can beam from any point within range.

A situation that would support the theory of the ninth chevron being used to access galexy clusters is that the ancients had a susstained period like our Dark Ages, of little or no advance in technology, after they began to populate galexies. This, however, is contradicted by the fact that not only does exploration sporn advance but they would have had to addapt their technology to fit new sittuations as the teraformed and populated planets.

Another is that the ancients were NOT the origonal builders of the stargates. With the exeption of the reposetories, the desine of the stargates on earth are distincly different to any other ancient technology we have seen in places like atlantis.

[runnerX]

I think that the idea of glaxy clusters is very logical (and i wish i had thought of it myself), but not quite fitting in with what we know about the creation of the gates.

How many galaxies do we think that the ancients have colinised and established networks in?? i don't think that they've been around long enough for this.

although there level of technology is far advanced is still not as advanced as you would think that of a race that had not only populated multiple galxies, but clusters. one example of this "lack" of advanced technology is that they only have beeming in a preset area (shown in the Atlantis trasporters and the Sodan obolisk) while other races, like the asgard, can beam from any point within range.

A situation that would support the theory of the ninth chevron being used to access galexy clusters is that the ancients had a susstained period like our Dark Ages, of little or no advance in technology, after they began to populate galexies. This, however, is contradicted by the fact that not only does exploration sporn advance but they would have had to addapt their technology to fit new sittuations as the teraformed and populated planets.

Another is that the ancients were NOT the origonal builders of the stargates. With the exeption of the reposetories, the desine of the stargates on earth are distincly different to any other ancient technology we have seen in places like atlantis.

What if the ancients sent the knowledge of the stargates to other races via long range comunication so that any advanced race could build them? This way any race that was willing to met the ancients or other races could do so by building stargates. This way we can avoid the question of how many galaxy the ancients visited.

[Airsoftguy]

I always thought it was for time travel.

[umopapisdn]

I think that the idea of glaxy clusters is very logical (and i wish i had thought of it myself), but not quite fitting in with what we know about the creation of the gates.

How many galaxies do we think that the ancients have colinised and established networks in?? i don't think that they've been around long enough for this.

although there level of technology is far advanced is still not as advanced as you would think that of a race that had not only populated multiple galxies, but clusters. one example of this "lack" of advanced technology is that they only have beeming in a preset area (shown in the Atlantis trasporters and the Sodan obolisk) while other races, like the asgard, can beam from any point within range.

A situation that would support the theory of the ninth chevron being used to access galexy clusters is that the ancients had a susstained period like our Dark Ages, of little or no advance in technology, after they began to populate galexies. This, however, is contradicted by the fact that not only does exploration sporn advance but they would have had to addapt their technology to fit new sittuations as the teraformed and populated planets.

Another is that the ancients were NOT the origonal builders of the stargates. With the exeption of the reposetories, the desine of the stargates on earth are distincly different to any other ancient technology we have seen in places like atlantis.

Are you sure the ancients wern't the original builders of the gates? I've never heard anything of this, but I'm always prepared to change my view if given good evidence. The ancients were around for millions of years at least, they travelled from a far away galaxy, they were pretty advanced, also was it a race that designed the stargates in the ancients home galaxy that developed them because the ori seem to have mastered stargate travel quite well.

[ebethman]

Are you sure the ancients wern't the original builders of the gates? I've never heard anything of this, but I'm always prepared to change my view if given good evidence. The ancients were around for millions of years at least, they travelled from a far away galaxy, they were pretty advanced, also was it a race that designed the stargates in the ancients home galaxy that developed them because the ori seem to have mastered stargate travel quite well.

It was never actualy said and I'm not saying that i think that is the absolut truth, it's just a theory that a worked up a bit to fit around the galexy cluster idea.

[umopapisdn]

It was never actualy said and I'm not saying that i think that is the absolut truth, it's just a theory that a worked up a bit to fit around the galexy cluster idea.

I see, it would be a massive coincidence if a species, not the ancients, and ori both separately developed stargates, when the ancients who devoted their time to scientific research. The galaxy cluster idea would be nice but there would most probably be some other record of them in multiple galaxies, the have gates that look different for each gate network. Perhaps they colonised just one glaxy cluster.

[ebethman]

I see, it would be a massive coincidence if a species, not the ancients, and ori both separately developed stargates, when the ancients who devoted their time to scientific research. The galaxy cluster idea would be nice but there would most probably be some other record of them in multiple galaxies, the have gates that look different for each gate network. Perhaps they colonised just one glaxy cluster.

Well they diffinatly colonised the milky way and pegasus. The difference between the aperance of the milky way gates and repositories and that of the pegusus gates and atlantis could be simply due to advances over time. Like the difference between a steam engin and a monorail. Anolog to digital if you will.

[thekillman]

the ancients are the inventors of the stargate. or at least the ones who get credit. the nox could make stargates aswell. the asgard had one. wondering if they could make stargates......

the reason of the difference beween pegasus and MW gates is because the MW gate was a protoype, worked out nicely, and so they mass produced them. also, the mw got human life seeded in it, so it would make sense to add some kind of manual dialing. with pegasus, the gate got 'reinvented' .
in a city like atlantis, a milky way gate would look horrible.

other theory: mw gates were prototypes, and got spread on human worlds. these were user-friendly. ancients built the pegasus gates for their citys because they fit in better.


also, in atlantis, it was said that some ancients went to pegasus, others stayed home. couldnt it be that a third group left for a different galaxy, to make the chance of survival for the ancient race higher? and that SGU focusses on searching out ancients wich still live among their colonized worlds.? also, i would love to see humans VS humans. earth goes there and finds an abandoned city[after some work. not like atlantis,like they dial the adress and are in the city. instead, they have to do some more searchinh]
they go explore and find several human worlds developed to earth-level[pre-stargate] aswell as several more advanced ones and some hugely advanced races. the galaxy has a freeze-thaw age. war-peace-war-peace-war-peace etc between 3 major groups: The Alliance. several allied advanced races. The Confederate. a single highly advanced human race. The Collective. a collective of lesser and greater planets. [ie more and less advanced]

the names of the 3 groups are just ideas.