Apeasing the Wraith: Sarcopahgus tehcnology?

[Crazy Tom]

If you haven't noticed, whenever food supply is plentiful, Wraith establish a pecking order. It's only when the food supply is short that they start fighting each other. This is actually typical of the predatory species, so we don't need to guess here. If we give Wraith sarcophagi, we simply make them incredibly efficient at enslaving Humans of PG.

What I'm saying is that humans are sufficiently low on the pecking order for the Wraith not to even bother with them.

And what could they possibly use human slave labor for?

[K^2]

What I'm saying is that humans are sufficiently low on the pecking order for the Wraith not to even bother with them.

And what could they possibly use human slave labor for?

They don't need them for labor. They need them to stay bellow certain tech level. Enslaved in a more general sense than on person-by-person level. Anybody who tries to rise gets attacked by the Wraith. So I suppose, if humans would to volunteer to live in shanties and never develop any technology, Wraith might leave them alone. But not any advanced group of humans. These would get immediately attacked.

[Crazy Tom]

actually he is right. humans only serve as their food. most likely, when the need for them is gone and the wraith are not kept in check, all the humans of PG will be eliminated.

*bangs head on wall repeatedly*

If the only source of food humans eat was say... fish, that only lived in one lake on the entire planet, and if the fish were intelligent but without the people's tech base. So there's a limited amount of fish, so the human population has to be small, and localized around the lake.

Then suddenly somebody comes up with with a way for humans to eat everything else.

Do you think people would bother with the fish much? With the whole planet open for colonization, and the ability to expand at will? At most, the fish lake would be turned into a reserve, some meaningless apology extended, and the fish left to do as they like while humans goes on to divide Earth up between themselves.

[Crazy Tom]

They don't need them for labor. They need them to stay bellow certain tech level. Enslaved in a more general sense than on person-by-person level. Anybody who tries to rise gets attacked by the Wraith. So I suppose, if humans would to volunteer to live in shanties and never develop any technology, Wraith might leave them alone. But not any advanced group of humans. These would get immediately attacked.

The Wraith would be to any developing cultures like the modern USA is to some little third world country that's just started pulling itself together.

Would the USA be afraid of that? Same concept applies.

[K^2]

US is planning to bomb Iran simply for having nuclear program, so you might want to rethink that.

[Quadhelix]

US is planning to bomb Iran simply for having nuclear program, so you might want to rethink that.

Not exactly "just" for having a nuclear program...

[Crazy Tom]

US is planning to bomb Iran simply for having nuclear program, so you might want to rethink that.

Not exactly "just" for having a nuclear program...

Again, fish and lake analogy. The fish have discovered gunpowder. Several warheads could obliterate all life in the lake, but the technology to launch them any distance outside of their lake is non-existent.

What do the humans do? Start a pool on whether the fish will annihilate themselves.

[K^2]

Not exactly "just" for having a nuclear program...

Immaterial to this discussion. Humans would also be likely to be hostile towards Wraith, with many factions demanding complete extermination. So the situation is very similar overall. The main reason for the attack is fear of nuclear capability.

Again, fish and lake analogy. The fish have discovered gunpowder. Several warheads could obliterate all life in the lake, but the technology to launch them any distance outside of their lake is non-existent.

What do the humans do? Start a pool on whether the fish will annihilate themselves.

But we see from historical evidence that even we, Humans, tend not to think that way. We exterminate threats. And you expect Wraith to be more peace-loving and live-and-let-live kind?

[Crazy Tom]

Immaterial to this discussion. Humans would also be likely to be hostile towards Wraith, with many factions demanding complete extermination. So the situation is very similar overall. The main reason for the attack is fear of nuclear capability.

But we see from historical evidence that even we, Humans, tend not to think that way. We exterminate threats. And you expect Wraith to be more peace-loving and live-and-let-live kind?

What could the humans in Pegasus possibly do the the Wraith? What kind of thereat can they pose, when 99.99 percent of them can't even crawl out of their gravity wells. And the other 0.001 can't keep their ships form falling apart.

The Wraith defeated the Lantians, who had an entire galaxy's worth of infrastructure. The people in Pegasus would have to be totally nuts to provoke them, even if thye had something approaching a decent infrastructure.

[K^2]

What possible threat could Iranian nuclear program present to United States?

[Crazy Tom]

What possible threat could Iranian nuclear program present to United States?

I'm no political analyst, but it seems it's more of a political posturing thing. baring that, a nice deterrent for Iran, keep them from nuking anybody closer by that the US is friendly with.

Neither of which apply to the Wraith.

And in this case, it would be like the Pegasus humans getting multi-megaton plasma bolters, and hypedrives, inertial dampeners, naqudah power sources, oh, and decent infrastructure to base these off, a high tech infrastructure...

Those are some slim odds.

[K^2]

Wait, you mean for Wraith to wipe out Humans wouldn't be a political thing? You're right, you're no analyst.

Furthermore, as we've seen, even Geni are capable of developing nuclear weapons, one of which could take out a hive in a successful terrorist act. That's a real threat to Wraith, similar to threat of Iran using their weapons against neighbors or in fact, in terror acts.

What's worse, advanced technology has been introduced to humans of Pegasus Glxy. They are going to start building infrastructure to produce ships. Granted, it will take a long time, but we've seen how Wraith respond to this. They choose to attack such developments early rather than letting them reach full power.

Peace with Wraith is a pipe dream.

[Crazy Tom]

Wait, you mean for Wraith to wipe out Humans wouldn't be a political thing? You're right, you're no analyst.

Furthermore, as we've seen, even Geni are capable of developing nuclear weapons, one of which could take out a hive in a successful terrorist act. That's a real threat to Wraith, similar to threat of Iran using their weapons against neighbors or in fact, in terror acts.

What's worse, advanced technology has been introduced to humans of Pegasus Glxy. They are going to start building infrastructure to produce ships. Granted, it will take a long time, but we've seen how Wraith respond to this. They choose to attack such developments early rather than letting them reach full power.

Peace with Wraith is a pipe dream.

Those nuclear warheads have no delivery system. Take a moment to think about this, the Wraith are nomadic, they can build all their tech is space. How many stars in Pegasus do you think have a planet with a stargate?

How much, sheer, empty space, is there?

Do you realize just how mind-bogglingly ridiculous it is that they would actually be able to strike at the wraith, with their off the grid locations, probably secret bases, etc. etc. etc.

And take a look at the alternative: try and exterminate them and end up with a uninhabitable galaxy, patrolled by titanic self replicating fleets whose overriding duty is to wipe out all human life. Do the math.

Changing Wraith society by selectively introducing a key piece of technology, is as much a weapon as a naqudah enhanced warhead, and a thousand times subtler. Think of this is warfare on a whole new level if it makes you happier.

[K^2]

Those nuclear warheads have no delivery system.

Neither does Iran. But one nuke in one poorly protected city can cause sufficient problems for these in power. Similarly, one poorly protected lab getting nuked would cause some important Wraith their heads. They don't want that.

[spinny magee]

Torture has it's benefits eh?