Megathread - Versus battles

[tjoflojt]

U'd be best google or wiki it. But they are an ancient alien race who come out the woodwork every few thousand years to sow discord and start wars. They look kinda like 7ft tall, black preying mantis with triangular heads and 6(8?) red eyes. Their ships are all spikey and pointy. They are hard to kill, and easily kill other things.

ok, so one could say that one on one, they could take an ancient down? unless said ancient is halfway to ascention, that is

but what about ships? from what i've read, their warships sound kind of like hives with a deathstar-beam in them. which is kinda scary

[Character]

Actualy, both shadows, and their counterparts, the vorlons, are pretty much the B5 version of the ascended, although the shadows seem to take a more physical form, since they seem to have some kind of natural cloaking to hide.

As for ships, has no similiarities to hives, but the deathstar-beam part is about right, except a verion small enough for 1-3km ships, and cutting anything, instead of making a big boom.

[Crazy Tom]

:O you can't be serious? Who are the shadows?????
hehhe They are the bad guys from B5.

The last part is debatable, both the Shadows and Vorlons never really had the interests of the younger races at heart, they just wanted to prove themselves right. They were both the bad guys.

[Character]

Actualy, i'd say neither of them are the bad guys, atleast not compared to say, the gould. They didnt actualy want to destroy or enslave anybody, or any other evil goals, just that their methods could be considered immoral, by our culture. That was the great thing about B5, the demonstration of greynes of life, nobody is exactly good or bad, nobody is exactly who he/she appears.

[tjoflojt]

As for ships, has no similiarities to hives, but the deathstar-beam part is about right, except a verion small enough for 1-3km ships, and cutting anything, instead of making a big boom.

well, the fact that they seem to be mostly organic made them kinda wraithie to me, but some sort of ancient, über-advanced wraith... they also seem to eat planets...

[Character]

Well, yea, they're sort of organnic, or maybe according to some theories, made of nanites, either way, they're different to most other ships as they'r "solid", as in no interior space. A pilot is absorbed and acts as the ships cpu/AI, other that that it seems to be seemless and have no interior.

About the planets, they do have a planet kliller, that sends high power nukes down the planets core to turn it inside out, and possibly the nanite cloud gets some resources to produce those nukes, but they dont actualy eat the planet.

[Buba uognarf]

Has anyone got any semi reliable weapon figures for Shadow ships? How fast can they travel? What are their defenses like?

[Character]

Google B5TECH, it has some science based essays of B5 stuff, includind the shadows. Dont know speed exactly, theyr certainly as fast as any SG ship in combat (could keep up with the white star). Durability seems to be atleast multigigaton, but hard to tell, since few have been destroyed by normal means and the same appearance ships vary in size from 1.5 to 3-5km.
Weapon figures are ~a low end of around 1GT per second for cutting beams, like the ancient satelite, each ship has one, and they're at the very least are capable of cuting into the crust of a planet in a matter of 1 second or less.

Basicly, their weapons are very powerfull, and drones wouldnt have anywhere to brake into/blow up, but the general defense fields and organic armor may provide less defense than higher end SG shields.

[Ouroboros]

The Shadows could also phase in and out of reality more or less at will as I remember it and with the transition happening very quickly. That alone gives them a pretty scary ability to ambush things.

They certainly seemed more clever than the ancients from what I recall as well. I'd bet on them. The ancients have more big numbers in things like ZPMs and the arcturus reactor but the shadows are a lot more insidious, devious and indirect than say, the Wraith or the Replicators which goes a long way toward negating that. A really nasty adversary for a bunch of profoundly arrogant techs who haven't fought a war in a million years for sure.

[tjoflojt]

The Shadows could also phase in and out of reality more or less at will as I remember it and with the transition happening very quickly. That alone gives them a pretty scary ability to ambush things.

They certainly seemed more clever than the ancients from what I recall as well. I'd bet on them. The ancients have more big numbers in things like ZPMs and the arcturus reactor but the shadows are a lot more insidious, devious and indirect than say, the Wraith or the Replicators which goes a long way toward negating that. A really nasty adversary for a bunch of profoundly arrogant techs who haven't fought a war in a million years for sure.

but if the shadows were fighting a defensive war, and the ancients were the attackers? to begin with, the shadows would see no need to fight back, due to the ancients inferior tactics and military tech, but once the ancients got those things down a bit better, the shadows might get some trouble from them. but then again, they are probably not that short sighted.

[Crazy Tom]

Actualy, i'd say neither of them are the bad guys, atleast not compared to say, the gould. They didnt actualy want to destroy or enslave anybody, or any other evil goals, just that their methods could be considered immoral, by our culture. That was the great thing about B5, the demonstration of greynes of life, nobody is exactly good or bad, nobody is exactly who he/she appears.

You just don't see that anymore on sci fi shows.

Google B5TECH, it has some science based essays of B5 stuff, includind the shadows. Dont know speed exactly, theyr certainly as fast as any SG ship in combat (could keep up with the white star). Durability seems to be atleast multigigaton, but hard to tell, since few have been destroyed by normal means and the same appearance ships vary in size from 1.5 to 3-5km.
Weapon figures are ~a low end of around 1GT per second for cutting beams, like the ancient satelite, each ship has one, and they're at the very least are capable of cuting into the crust of a planet in a matter of 1 second or less.

Basicly, their weapons are very powerfull, and drones wouldnt have anywhere to brake into/blow up, but the general defense fields and organic armor may provide less defense than higher end SG shields.

Most things are, I mean, how much maneuvering do you really see SG ships do? It all depends on TPTB.

Also, through I may be mistaken, don't they have gravitic shields?

[tomuchtimeonmyhands]

Anyway, a better vs, if it hasnt been done already, acients vs shadows, let the fanwank (for both sides) roll.

id say shadows as there ships are organic and they can heal themselves, gota love that, how about anubis mothership against a o'neil class asgard ship

[tomuchtimeonmyhands]

heres one, khan from st, vs anubis super soldier

[Ouroboros]

O'neill (current age) vs Adama (current age)

Fist fight.

O'neill's suppossed to be a former special ops guy but he's not young anymore, and Adama actually survived a boxing match with Chief "Crazy Eyes" Tyrol without brain damage.

[tomuchtimeonmyhands]

O'neill (current age) vs Adama (current age)

Fist fight.

O'neill's suppossed to be a former special ops guy but he's not young anymore, and Adama actually survived a boxing match with Chief "Crazy Eyes" Tyrol without brain damage.

Adama