Megathread - Versus battles

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

Oh I almost forgot the battle that i really wanted to post

All Cylones and cylon ships in an all out war with the 60 wraith hives and all of the darts, and cruisers the wraith have.

How many Basestars do the Cylons have?

I wouldn't be surprised if a Hive with Cruiser supports could take on a few Base Stars.
It depends entirely on how many ships the Cylons have but since I don't think they have anywhere near enough to deal with 60 Hives, probably 180 Cruisers (maybe more than that) and thousands of Darts I'd lean towards the Wraith winning in this battle.

[Buba uognarf]

How many Basestars do the Cylons have?

I wouldn't be surprised if a Hive with Cruiser supports could take on a few Base Stars.
It depends entirely on how many ships the Cylons have but since I don't think they have anywhere near enough to deal with 60 Hives, probably 180 Cruisers (maybe more than that) and thousands of Darts I'd lean towards the Wraith winning in this battle.

The Wraith probably started with way more than 60 Hives judging by the fact that they've lost dozens of Hives and are still considered to be a major threat. Even single faction of the Wraith are considered very dangerous and a challenge to take on. Based on that I'd say that more than 60 Hives woke up or more have been built.

The Cylons use kiloton nukes for anti capital ships don't they? They'd get torn to shreds by the Wraith. The gap in firepower is so great its unlikely that the Cylons will be able to fight the Wraith without knowledge of Wraith weak spots.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

The Wraith probably started with way more than 60 Hives judging by the fact that they've lost dozens of Hives and are still considered to be a major threat. Even single faction of the Wraith are considered very dangerous and a challenge to take on. Based on that I'd say that more than 60 Hives woke up or more have been built.

The Cylons use kiloton nukes for anti capital ships don't they? They'd get torn to shreds by the Wraith. The gap in firepower is so great its unlikely that the Cylons will be able to fight the Wraith without knowledge of Wraith weak spots.

I know that the Wraith probably have a lot more than 60 Hives but General_Finley's scenario said 60 Hives and the rest of the Wraith's fleet.

IMO even if the Wraith lost their fleet to the Cylons (which is probably near impossible for the Clyons to achieve) the Wraith could just replace their lost ships by regrowing more, provided the necessary Wraith like Queens, Keepers and some other males survived.

Weapons wise I don't think the Cylon's Nukes would be as powerful as those used by the 304s but they'd probably hurt Wraith ships a little, some can make it through Galactica's fighter screen and point defense so they could probably do the same to Wraith ships especially considering how many Raiders a Basestar can sends out to meet the Wraith's Darts.

IMO a Hive and Cruiser's weapons being energy/plasma based can't be stopped by point defense or fighter screens the Basestars have they also don't have shields, so unless the Cylons can do enough damage to Wraith ships before they can get some good hits in the Basestars or whatever the Cylons send against the Wraith is gonna be dead pretty quickly.

The Wraith undoubtedly win IMO.

[General_Finley]

I know that the Wraith probably have a lot more than 60 Hives but General_Finley's scenario said 60 Hives and the rest of the Wraith's fleet.

IMO even if the Wraith lost their fleet to the Cylons (which is probably near impossible for the Clyons to achieve) the Wraith could just replace their lost ships by regrowing more, provided the necessary Wraith like Queens, Keepers and some other males survived.

Weapons wise I don't think the Cylon's Nukes would be as powerful as those used by the 304s but they'd probably hurt Wraith ships a little, some can make it through Galactica's fighter screen and point defense so they could probably do the same to Wraith ships especially considering how many Raiders a Basestar can sends out to meet the Wraith's Darts.

IMO a Hive and Cruiser's weapons being energy/plasma based can't be stopped by point defense or fighter screens the Basestars have they also don't have shields, so unless the Cylons can do enough damage to Wraith ships before they can get some good hits in the Basestars or whatever the Cylons send against the Wraith is gonna be dead pretty quickly.

The Wraith undoubtedly win IMO.

I was just going with what the Rodney said in Season 1. They don't just have to have 60 i mean the entire wraith Armada against the entire cylon fleet. heavy raiders vs cruisers, basestars vs. hives, raiders vs. Darts, centerion vs. Worriors. every cylon vs. every wraith in the ultimant showdown for who gets to destroy humanity. I just said 60 because that was what Rodney had said, although I dout the it stayed that way, the wraith have probably grown dozens hives sense they awoke.

[ianjones1246]

Let me grab my post from the "colonial vs. wraith thread" i started a while ago in the BSG bit of the forum - it applies to the colonials... but since colonial/ cylon warships are about equal, it could apply to cylons as well

No chance of vipers getting through the enemy dart screen? If i recall, we ve seen on more than one occassion the by comparison abysmal F302's successfully fight their way through a wave of darts.... and the X304's only carry about 16 F302's each.

Whether the colonial fleet PRE-nuking would stand a chance against the Wraith? That conclusion can only go one way - that a battlestar would withstand Wraith fire for a substantial time with the capabilities of their hull (we ve seen Prometheus take hits to its hull from death gliders, and sustain enough damage to have to cancel its rescue mission to Atlantis... and then we ve seen an X304 (Deadalus) take direct fire to its hull (made of same material and likely similar construction technique etc... as prometheus) withstand direct Wraith Hive and Cruiser fire on its hull on at least 3 occassions... and survive.

If a puny death glider can cause enough hull damage to Prometheus... who's hull won't be much more inferior to a X304... to make it return home damaged for repairs - yet a X304 can survive Wraith weapons fire from Hives - this implies Hive's fire really isn't that powerful at all.

By comparison, we ve seen battlestars - in the case of Pegasus - take 3 direct nuke hits on 2 seperate occassions - first at scorpio shipyards, secondly in the episode captains hands - its a fair bet to say that those nukes they were hit by are a damn side larger and more lethal than a couple of blasts from a Ghouald death glider (which seem on the same standards as Wraith Hive fire if damage to Prometheu's hull and damage to Deadalus's hull from wraith fire are anything to go by).... and given those nukes barely scratched the battlestars armour (i.e. there was no big gaping hole in the hull - just dented and buckled armour which still served its primary purpose - stopping enemy fire), then i d have to say that by comparison vastly inferior Wraith Hive fire would take a long time to have any substantial effects on the battlestars.... by which point, mass driver and rail-gun fire from the battlestars would have blown large chunks out of the enemy Hive..... Nukes wouldn't be needed - if Deadalus's railguns (designed primarily for anti-fighter role than anti-ship role) can cause damage to Wraith Hives... and on the odd occassion actually disable them (No Mans Land), then the battlestar's main weapons (they don't actually use nukes very often - only very very rarely) would likely slice through the Wraith armour like its butter.

Summary:

2 Death Glider's weapon fire to an unshielded Prometheus = capable of inflicting enough damage to Prometheus's hull to make it return home for repairs

Prometheus's Hull = prototype design for the X304's (Deadalus, Odyssey etc...) hull, and is thus made of the same material, and not more than slightly inferior (if at all) to the X304's hull.

Wraith Hive Fire = damages, but does not destroy or seriously damage structural integrity of the X304's hull. Sure it breaches it, and causes lots of problems.... but the fact remains in the 3 occassions Deadalus gets shot up without shields... its continues to live and can be fixed relatively quickly.

Conclusion: Wraith Hive fire while more powerful that Death Gliders fire... can't be much more powerful per shot than Death Glider fire... otherwise X304 = blown up. The fact they aren't = Wraith Firepower can't be that powerful.

Now... does anyone here really want to argue that BSG Nukes (which battlestars have survived on numerous occassions with no serious damage... and certainly less damage than Deadalus's experiences without shields at the hands of the Wraith!) are inferior to Death Glider Fire, or Wraith Hive fire?

If their armour can keep Nuke explosions at bay... it can keep Wraith Hive's at bay. And likewise - if their weapons can punch through enemy ship armour capable of keeping nuke explosions at bay, it can punch through Wraith Hive armour.

Since cylon armour can defy battlestar's fire for a while... i d say it would last for a pretty long time against Wraith Fire. Likewise, if Cylon fire poses a threat to Battlestar armour (which is able to withstand direct nuke hits), i d say it would certainly pose a threat to Wraith armour.

If we are saying that the entire Wraith Fleet is more than 60 hives which given from what Mkay says... implies that was 60 hives in just 1/4 of the galaxy - so say 240 Hives + 3 cruisers per hive - so 720 cruisers, then how about Cylons + Colonial Fleet, with the colonial fleet being the one before the Cylon attack - so 120 battlestars + escorts - vs. the Wraith?

So - if we say 50 - 60 Cylon Basestars (i m estimating on the number since they did manage to smash 118 battlestars inside of a couple of hours... - so can't have been too small!) + 120 battestars + escorts vs. 240 Wraith Hives + 720 cruisers.

Imagine dozens/ 100+ of Mercury (Pegasus) class battlestars laying into the Wraith Hives, backed by swarms of missiles and raiders from Cylon Basestars, with vipers engaging darts and raptors carrying anti-ship missiles. Now that would be one hell of a fight lol

I d say it would be a close run thing... but that the cylon/ colonial alliance would win - simply in that i think Battlestar/ Cylon armour would hold up better against Wraith Hive fire compared to how Wraith armour would hold up against Battlestar/ Cylon fire.

[General_Finley]

Yah if the colonials helped the cylons might have a better chance but a hive can take out the shields of a 302 in a matter of minutes and then tear through the hull of it pretty easily, so a battlestar even a Mercury class would get cut to ribons. Basestars are organic in nature, like hives, and hives being bigger and having denser hulls would be able to take more hits than a basestar. Plus hives can divert energy to hull regeneration, it would take like four battlestars simaltaniously ramming a hive to take it out in one swift desisive attack.

[Buba uognarf]

Since cylon armour can defy battlestar's fire for a while... i d say it would last for a pretty long time against Wraith Fire. Likewise, if Cylon fire poses a threat to Battlestar armour (which is able to withstand direct nuke hits), i d say it would certainly pose a threat to Wraith armour.

Wraith weapons produce at least megaton level explosions when they bombard planets, you can see clearly visible explosions in Misbeggotten from space. Wraith Hives can resist this kind of firepower and dish it out with many blasts a second. Wraith weapons can also drain Ancient shields which themselves can survive multi gigaton explosions (the super volcano explosion in 'Inferno'. This puts their weapons at levels which can shred Basestars pretty damn easily. SG ships are made of funky alloys and materials which can resist ludacris amounts of damage, Stargates can survive gatebusters which are 812 gigatons (Beachhead). Trinium is a material which is 100x stronger and lighter than steel, Earth ships are made of this. Prometheus was said to be made I believe entirely of a trinium alloy, it makes sense for that to be true for the Deadalus too.

Based on this Wraith weapons would make mince meat of basestars and would be able to resist the comparatively weak nukes for a prolonger period of time.

If we are saying that the entire Wraith Fleet is more than 60 hives which given from what Mkay says... implies that was 60 hives in just 1/4 of the galaxy - so say 240 Hives + 3 cruisers per hive - so 720 cruisers, then how about Cylons + Colonial Fleet, with the colonial fleet being the one before the Cylon attack - so 120 battlestars + escorts - vs. the Wraith?

It was 21 in one quadrant and atleast 60 elsewhere. The Wraith even after losing dozens of ships in the civil war and against us and the Asurans are still able to kick our butts even with a single faction. Therefore its my opinion that they had way more than 60-80 Hives to start with or have been building more.

Regardless a single Hive will be more than a match for several Basestars.

So - if we say 50 - 60 Cylon Basestars (i m estimating on the number since they did manage to smash 118 battlestars inside of a couple of hours... - so can't have been too small!) + 120 battestars + escorts vs. 240 Wraith Hives + 720 cruisers.

Imagine dozens/ 100+ of Mercury (Pegasus) class battlestars laying into the Wraith Hives, backed by swarms of missiles and raiders from Cylon Basestars, with vipers engaging darts and raptors carrying anti-ship missiles. Now that would be one hell of a fight lol

I d say it would be a close run thing... but that the cylon/ colonial alliance would win - simply in that i think Battlestar/ Cylon armour would hold up better against Wraith Hive fire compared to how Wraith armour would hold up against Battlestar/ Cylon fire.

It wouldn't though. I've shown that Wraith Hives have nuclear yields which are above anything in use by the Cylons, the Wraith can dish and survive these weapons therefore they'll be ripping the Cylon fleet to shreds.

Hives are very durable, half a Hive ship can survive a completely uncontrolled re-entry that was basically a nose dive with no signs of heating or physical damage when it hit the water. Hives are far tougher than you give them credit for.

[ianjones1246]

Wraith weapons produce at least megaton level explosions when they bombard planets, you can see clearly visible explosions in Misbeggotten from space. Wraith Hives can resist this kind of firepower and dish it out with many blasts a second. Wraith weapons can also drain Ancient shields which themselves can survive multi gigaton explosions (the super volcano explosion in 'Inferno'. This puts their weapons at levels which can shred Basestars pretty damn easily. SG ships are made of funky alloys and materials which can resist ludacris amounts of damage, Stargates can survive gatebusters which are 812 gigatons (Beachhead). Trinium is a material which is 100x stronger and lighter than steel, Earth ships are made of this. Prometheus was said to be made I believe entirely of a trinium alloy, it makes sense for that to be true for the Deadalus too.

Based on this Wraith weapons would make mince meat of basestars and would be able to resist the comparatively weak nukes for a prolonger period of time.



It was 21 in one quadrant and atleast 60 elsewhere. The Wraith even after losing dozens of ships in the civil war and against us and the Asurans are still able to kick our butts even with a single faction. Therefore its my opinion that they had way more than 60-80 Hives to start with or have been building more.

Regardless a single Hive will be more than a match for several Basestars.



It wouldn't though. I've shown that Wraith Hives have nuclear yields which are above anything in use by the Cylons, the Wraith can dish and survive these weapons therefore they'll be ripping the Cylon fleet to shreds.

Hives are very durable, half a Hive ship can survive a completely uncontrolled re-entry that was basically a nose dive with no signs of heating or physical damage when it hit the water. Hives are far tougher than you give them credit for.

Wraith hives have nucleur yields? So, when Deadalus came out of hyperspace and was struck multiple times by the 2 Wraith Hives before it got its shields up in the episode Allies, how come it survived? More importantly, if these yeilds are so powerful, how come the glass in the windows didn't break... or the deadalus wasn't damaged enough to prevent it getting its shields up? In the episode No Mans Land - where again (just a day or so after the events in Allies) it looses shields, and take multiple hits to its hull, why is the Deadalus still alive? In the episode search and rescue, when deadalus drops shields to beam Sheppar and Ronen aboard - it takes multiple hits to its hull from a cruiser... yet still survives. If the Wraith Hives are so powerful, why on each of these occassions has the ship managed to survive in instances where its shields are not active?

On the other hand, in the episode Prometheus Unbound, the Prometheus takes multiple hits to its hull initially from Death Gliders before it has chance to lift off from the planet and raise shields. These hits are enough to have caused substantial hull damage, and the rescue mission to Atlantis to be cancelled.

Prometheus was the prototype - the "test" ship for all the features the X304's have. Her hull design, and its materials its made of, are likely to be similar to the X304's. If 2 death glider's fire can cause issues to its hulls, it implies the hulls aren't that strong or good. If wraith fire - hitting X304's far more numerously than the hits Prometheus took from Death Gliders - fails to destroy this weak hull. This implies standard anti-ship Wraith Hive fire isn't all that powerful.

IF the Wraith Hives really did produce megaton explosions - thus Deadalus being hit multiple times by each of these megaton explosions and surviving - then its fair to assume the similar, if slightly less well designed hull of Prometheus should have easily be able to shrug off Death Glider fire with next to no hull damage.

I m sorry, but looking at things logically its impossible to state that Wraith Hive fire is massively powerful. I m sure we ve seen episodes where puddle jumpers and maybe F302's have taken a direct hit from Wraith Hive fire and survived. Remember the episode condemned where a puddle jumper is taken down by a improvised built primitive device by the prisoners? That device achieved what numerous encounters with Wraith Hives did not.

The fact deadalus is still alive is a testimony to the fact that Wraith Hive fire, when it comes to actual hull damage, is limited. Thats not to say they aren;t powerful - their fire is exstremely effective at lowering shields, which given most SG Universe ships are designed to rely on shields, once shields go... they are toast.

As for the Wraith Hulls being very durable. If i m not mistaken... we ve also seen Wraith Hives be crippled by a single missile from a F302 (No Mans Land), we ve seen a Wraith Cruiser loose its weapons to a couple of hits from F302's in "search and rescue", and we ve seen the Deadalus's rail guns cause serious damage to a Wraith Hive in the episode "No Mans Land".

Here's the problem though - all these successes were achieved primarily by anti-fighter weaponry. The missiles sheppards F302 was carrying were anti-fighter one's. The railgun's primary design purpose is anti-fighter. This means in the case of Rail Gun's high rates of fire at the cost of yeild or damage. In the case of anti-fighter missiles this means high manoeuvrability, thus less yield. Anti-Ship missiles are generally in a class of their own and have entirely different design requirements.

The "massively powerful" Wraith Hull failed to stop a single anti-fighter missile from a F302 crippling one of its most important aspects - its hyperdrives - in the episode No Mans Land. That's one of the most crucial area's of the ship... it should have been pretty well protected by a hull. The same applies to the cruisers weapon systems in the episode search and rescue.

The fact the Wraith Hull's are fairly vulnerable to F302 anti-fighter missiles X304 anti-fighter rail guns, yet can stand up to enemy Wraith Hive Fire for several minutes (Queen), simply fits logically into everything i ve been saying.

If Wraith Hive fire was so powerful, those 2 hives would have shredded one another... seeing as its a fair assessment to say that if Rail Gun fire and F302 missiles can penetrate the hull, their "megaton per hit" shots, with a massive rate of fire, would have shredded both of them in seconds. It didn't. Much like it failed to shread the Deadalus in seconds - or even cause serious enough damage to prevent Deadalus raising shields.

There's no doubting Wraith Hives are a dangerous threat - they could hand earth its ass in a bread basket. But this is because they are designed primarily to drop enemy shields, then slice through the paper-thin hull of the ship once the shields are down. Ships with shields don't have large thick multiple hulls - they are thin, often only single hulls, due to relying on shields.

This is what the Wraith tactic depends on. Their fire is largely shield draining, so that once enemy shields drop, they can destroy the enemy hull - which isn't all that strong or thick - both in the case of Earth, The Ancients and Asurans.

This tactic and design is awesome against shielded ships.... but in a scenario of Basestars and Battlestars vs. enemy Hives, it won't be so great.

Why won't it be so great? Because the battlestars and Basestars are the same class of vessels in terms of basic principles as the Wraith Hives. Neither Hives, Basestars or Battlestars have shields. This means they have thick strong multiple hulls designed to withstand enemy fire. This is the key difference between X304's and a battlestar - on a X304 the hull is primarily designed for structural integrity, relying on its shields for defensive purposes.

Battlestars and Basestars rely on their hull to not just form structural integrity, but to be their primary means of defense against incoming fire. In the case of the Battlestars - whether it be Pegasus at the scorpio shipyards (3 nuke hits), "Pegasus in Captains Hand" (3 nuke hits), Galactica in the mini series (1 nuke hit), Galactica in exodus part 2 - surrouned and taking massive amounts of fire - or even Galactica in the series finale - taking unbelievable amounts of fire - then you can see these different design concepts at work.

Wraith Hive fire is pretty good at draining shields. Its not so good against hulls (as seen with deadalus, enemy Wraith Hives, the odd puddle jumper and F302) - thats not to say its a weak ship, just its designed to drain shields, and shred weak thin enemy hulls who rely on their shields for protection.

On the otherhand, Basestars and Battlestars are designed with the concept of punching through massively strong enemy hulls - and being able to withstand massive amounts of damage to their hulls. Their design purposes are near-perfect when applied against Wraith Hives - for their hulls to be able to absorb enemy fire, and for their weapons to punch through the enemy hulls. Shields would make them far more dangerous - much like giving X304's a far better hull would make them far more dangerous (meaning X304's could potentially stick around and survive far longer in critically important battles once their shields go!) - but when your designing a class of ship who has powerful shields, and trying to get as many ships as possible, with limited resources... your not going to bother giving it a massively costly time expensive hull which is unlikely (hopefully) to ever be used since it will result in longer production times, more resources used etc...

Wraith Hives are a very real and credible threat to all stargate universe ships. Their designed purpose - to drain shields quickly and then destroy the relatively weak unshielded enemy hull - is a very effective strategy when going up against Ancient, Asuran or Earth ships. Throw in some battlestars and basestars designed specifically to absorb enemy fire to their hulls... and this design purpose goes out of the window - leaving the Wraith instead to rely on the mass fire rates of their relatively weak-against-hulls but strong-against-shields weapons.

Don't get me wrong... it wouldn't be a cakewalk. If i had to picture how a battlestar vs. a couple of Hives battle would go, it would be like the series finale - just replacying the Cylon fire with blue blobs - meaning you d see lots of hull armour being shredded off the battlestar, with the battlestar absorbing a massive amount of fire, but with the battlestar slowely but surely being pummelled untill finally the Wraith breach its internal hull, in which case its game over.

Of course... the wraith weapons wouldn't be jammed (so would keep firing), but of course a battlestar would be giving all it had back as well - in which case i would expect to see hull ruptures and bits of Wraith Hive shredding off - much like we saw with the Basestar in the episode resurrection ship part 2. Who would win in a fullscale battle between Colonial + Cylon vs. Wraith forces?

I d say it would be too close to call - it would depend on the strategies employed by both sides. What i do know, however, is that a large portion of this forum sell Battlestar and Basestar armour and weapons massively short, while massively over exagerating in particular Wraith fire's effectiveness against enemy hulls.

Both sides would be a close match

Incidentally... in reference to your mention about half a Wraith Hive surviving a "nose dive" reentry... the same applies to Galactica surviving a free fall through the outer-atmosphere on New Caprica... i d say Wraith Hives and Battlestars are a lot closer in capabilities than people think.

[Buba uognarf]

Wraith hives have nucleur yields? So, when Deadalus came out of hyperspace and was struck multiple times by the 2 Wraith Hives before it got its shields up in the episode Allies, how come it survived? More importantly, if these yeilds are so powerful, how come the glass in the windows didn't break... or the deadalus wasn't damaged enough to prevent it getting its shields up? In the episode No Mans Land - where again (just a day or so after the events in Allies) it looses shields, and take multiple hits to its hull, why is the Deadalus still alive? In the episode search and rescue, when deadalus drops shields to beam Sheppar and Ronen aboard - it takes multiple hits to its hull from a cruiser... yet still survives. If the Wraith Hives are so powerful, why on each of these occassions has the ship managed to survive in instances where its shields are not active?

Maybe the Wraith wanted to disable the Deadalus? Maybe a trinium hull is tougher than you think. Its inconsistant yes but we've seen Hives make these explosions.

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/dis...um=293&pos=940

The bright spot is where the weapons are landing, thus Wraith Hives have nuclear yields.

On the other hand, in the episode Prometheus Unbound, the Prometheus takes multiple hits to its hull initially from Death Gliders before it has chance to lift off from the planet and raise shields. These hits are enough to have caused substantial hull damage, and the rescue mission to Atlantis to be cancelled.

Different ships involved, Hives can drain shields which can resist multiple gigatons and cause massive explosions which are visible from space. Therefore their weapons would shred basestars.

Prometheus was the prototype - the "test" ship for all the features the X304's have. Her hull design, and its materials its made of, are likely to be similar to the X304's. If 2 death glider's fire can cause issues to its hulls, it implies the hulls aren't that strong or good. If wraith fire - hitting X304's far more numerously than the hits Prometheus took from Death Gliders - fails to destroy this weak hull. This implies standard anti-ship Wraith Hive fire isn't all that powerful.

Trinium is 100x stronger than steal, a heavily damaged Wraith Hive caused massive damage in No Mans Land with a couple of hits to a ship made of the stuff. How strong are materials in Galactica? Like I've said before we've seen Wraith hives make large nuke like explosions before.

IF the Wraith Hives really did produce megaton explosions - thus Deadalus being hit multiple times by each of these megaton explosions and surviving - then its fair to assume the similar, if slightly less well designed hull of Prometheus should have easily be able to shrug off Death Glider fire with next to no hull damage.

The picture is above. SG may be inconsistant but we've seen that Hives can produce high megaton possibly even low gigaton level explosions. Maybe the death gliders hit an exposed system or caused an overload?

I m sorry, but looking at things logically its impossible to state that Wraith Hive fire is massively powerful. I m sure we ve seen episodes where puddle jumpers and maybe F302's have taken a direct hit from Wraith Hive fire and survived. Remember the episode condemned where a puddle jumper is taken down by a improvised built primitive device by the prisoners? That device achieved what numerous encounters with Wraith Hives did not.

Logically Wraith Hives should be dishing out gigatons of fire per bolt. They can drain ZPMs which can destroy 1/25 of a star system each in days, they can drain gigaton level shields in minutes, 20th century Earth can make gigaton level missiles with a chunk of naquadah it wouldn't make sense for races thousands of years a head of us to be using weapons thousands of times weaker.

This could be rectified by saying SG weapons are specifically shield draining but Misbeggotten shows nuclear yields.

The fact deadalus is still alive is a testimony to the fact that Wraith Hive fire, when it comes to actual hull damage, is limited. Thats not to say they aren;t powerful - their fire is exstremely effective at lowering shields, which given most SG Universe ships are designed to rely on shields, once shields go... they are toast.

Or it is a testimony to the strength of the Deadalus' hull strength.

As for the Wraith Hulls being very durable. If i m not mistaken... we ve also seen Wraith Hives be crippled by a single missile from a F302 (No Mans Land), we ve seen a Wraith Cruiser loose its weapons to a couple of hits from F302's in "search and rescue", and we ve seen the Deadalus's rail guns cause serious damage to a Wraith Hive in the episode "No Mans Land".

You ignore the fact that the missile hit an exposued section of the Wraith Hive, it didn't breach the hull. A poor design feature for sure but not an example of poor armor strength. The problem with relying on armor is that it leaves things like weapon emplacements open to space with no protection so the fact that missiles can target and destroy these doesn't mean the actual hull of the vessel is weak. In No Mans Land the rail guns did absolutely nothing until the dart bay doors opened, the rail gun fire went inside the ship and caused secondary explosions. The hull has always been unaffected by the Deadalus' rail guns.

Here's the problem though - all these successes were achieved primarily by anti-fighter weaponry. The missiles sheppards F302 was carrying were anti-fighter one's. The railgun's primary design purpose is anti-fighter. This means in the case of Rail Gun's high rates of fire at the cost of yeild or damage. In the case of anti-fighter missiles this means high manoeuvrability, thus less yield. Anti-Ship missiles are generally in a class of their own and have entirely different design requirements.

That may be true but the damage was only acheived by hitting weak spots which require intel on the ships. The main hull of Hive ships is impervious to rail guns and anti fighter missiles.

The "massively powerful" Wraith Hull failed to stop a single anti-fighter missile from a F302 crippling one of its most important aspects - its hyperdrives - in the episode No Mans Land. That's one of the most crucial area's of the ship... it should have been pretty well protected by a hull. The same applies to the cruisers weapon systems in the episode search and rescue.

An exposed system, the fault lies with the design of the hyperdrive not the armor as there was no armor protecting it. The weapon systems need to be open to space so they can fire, once again the missiles did not breach the hull.

The fact the Wraith Hull's are fairly vulnerable to F302 anti-fighter missiles X304 anti-fighter rail guns, yet can stand up to enemy Wraith Hive Fire for several minutes (Queen), simply fits logically into everything i ve been saying.

They're not vulnerable though. Wraith hulls are pretty much impervious to rail guns, the inside of the dart bay isn't but the hull is. You've missed several key pieces of information in your explanation, when you add them in your argue about Wraith hulls being weak and vulnerable falls apart.

If Wraith Hive fire was so powerful, those 2 hives would have shredded one another... seeing as its a fair assessment to say that if Rail Gun fire and F302 missiles can penetrate the hull, their "megaton per hit" shots, with a massive rate of fire, would have shredded both of them in seconds. It didn't. Much like it failed to shread the Deadalus in seconds - or even cause serious enough damage to prevent Deadalus raising shields.

I've debunked this above.

There's no doubting Wraith Hives are a dangerous threat - they could hand earth its ass in a bread basket. But this is because they are designed primarily to drop enemy shields, then slice through the paper-thin hull of the ship once the shields are down. Ships with shields don't have large thick multiple hulls - they are thin, often only single hulls, due to relying on shields.

Where's your evidence that SG ships have thin hulls? Hives tear each other to shreds and they're huge 11km beasts.

This is what the Wraith tactic depends on. Their fire is largely shield draining, so that once enemy shields drop, they can destroy the enemy hull - which isn't all that strong or thick - both in the case of Earth, The Ancients and Asurans.

This tactic and design is awesome against shielded ships.... but in a scenario of Basestars and Battlestars vs. enemy Hives, it won't be so great.

We've seen high nuclear level explosions caused by Wraith weapons before. Explain that.

Battlestars and Basestars rely on their hull to not just form structural integrity, but to be their primary means of defense against incoming fire. In the case of the Battlestars - whether it be Pegasus at the scorpio shipyards (3 nuke hits), "Pegasus in Captains Hand" (3 nuke hits), Galactica in the mini series (1 nuke hit), Galactica in exodus part 2 - surrouned and taking massive amounts of fire - or even Galactica in the series finale - taking unbelievable amounts of fire - then you can see these different design concepts at work.

Unbelievable amounts of fire? Maybe by Galactica standards but not in a sci fi show which has gigaton level nuclear weapons just by adding a small rock.

Wraith Hive fire is pretty good at draining shields. Its not so good against hulls (as seen with deadalus, enemy Wraith Hives, the odd puddle jumper and F302) - thats not to say its a weak ship, just its designed to drain shields, and shred weak thin enemy hulls who rely on their shields for protection.

We've never seen a Hive fire on a 302 or puddle jumper (at least with a direct hit).

Incidentally... in reference to your mention about half a Wraith Hive surviving a "nose dive" reentry... the same applies to Galactica surviving a free fall through the outer-atmosphere on New Caprica... i d say Wraith Hives and Battlestars are a lot closer in capabilities than people think.

Did Galactica then slam into the ocean? Did it lose any hull integrity? Did it show visible signs of heating? The Hive apparently didn't.

[Spimman]

Assuming they had to fight for some reason and both would...

Nox vs. Asgard

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

I was just going with what the Rodney said in Season 1. They don't just have to have 60 i mean the entire wraith Armada against the entire cylon fleet. heavy raiders vs cruisers, basestars vs. hives, raiders vs. Darts, centerion vs. Worriors. every cylon vs. every wraith in the ultimant showdown for who gets to destroy humanity. I just said 60 because that was what Rodney had said, although I dout the it stayed that way, the wraith have probably grown dozens hives sense they awoke.

OK cheers for clearing your point up.
Judging by how quickly the Pathogen could take over Atlantis I'd bet it wouldn't take the Wraith long to replace whatever ships they've lost since the civil war and other conflicts have happened.
They've probably added a fair few dozen on top of the 60-80 they had originally too.
I'd guess the Wraith could have 100 Hives and a couple of Cruisers to back up each of those, which I'd guess would greatly outnumber the Cylons on their own.

As for this Cylon+Colonials Vs Wraith scenario considering how tough Hive armor (being able to take Tauri nukes and keep fighting in No Man's Land) and weapons are and the fact that they defeated the Ancients, along with whatever other advanced races existed in the Pegasus galaxy I'd say they'd eat both the Cylons and Colonials for breakfast.

Like I've said numerous times on Gateworld the Wraith don't need in a infrastructure to survive, if they lose most of their fleet they can just replace it by infecting Humans or cloned Drones and grow new ones.

BTW Spimman with your scenario we just don't know enough about the Nox to make an accurate guess, but if you think their hiding some uber weapons under whatever cloaking tech they use and an uber fleet of God Ships then they'd probably win, if you think they're not a race that possess weapons of any kind and the Asgard could see through their cloaks then the Asgard would probably win.

[ianjones1246]

Maybe the Wraith wanted to disable the Deadalus? Maybe a trinium hull is tougher than you think. Its inconsistant yes but we've seen Hives make these explosions.

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/dis...um=293&pos=940

The bright spot is where the weapons are landing, thus Wraith Hives have nuclear yields.



Different ships involved, Hives can drain shields which can resist multiple gigatons and cause massive explosions which are visible from space. Therefore their weapons would shred basestars.



Trinium is 100x stronger than steal, a heavily damaged Wraith Hive caused massive damage in No Mans Land with a couple of hits to a ship made of the stuff. How strong are materials in Galactica? Like I've said before we've seen Wraith hives make large nuke like explosions before.



The picture is above. SG may be inconsistant but we've seen that Hives can produce high megaton possibly even low gigaton level explosions. Maybe the death gliders hit an exposed system or caused an overload?



Logically Wraith Hives should be dishing out gigatons of fire per bolt. They can drain ZPMs which can destroy 1/25 of a star system each in days, they can drain gigaton level shields in minutes, 20th century Earth can make gigaton level missiles with a chunk of naquadah it wouldn't make sense for races thousands of years a head of us to be using weapons thousands of times weaker.

This could be rectified by saying SG weapons are specifically shield draining but Misbeggotten shows nuclear yields.



Or it is a testimony to the strength of the Deadalus' hull strength.



You ignore the fact that the missile hit an exposued section of the Wraith Hive, it didn't breach the hull. A poor design feature for sure but not an example of poor armor strength. The problem with relying on armor is that it leaves things like weapon emplacements open to space with no protection so the fact that missiles can target and destroy these doesn't mean the actual hull of the vessel is weak. In No Mans Land the rail guns did absolutely nothing until the dart bay doors opened, the rail gun fire went inside the ship and caused secondary explosions. The hull has always been unaffected by the Deadalus' rail guns.




That may be true but the damage was only acheived by hitting weak spots which require intel on the ships. The main hull of Hive ships is impervious to rail guns and anti fighter missiles.



An exposed system, the fault lies with the design of the hyperdrive not the armor as there was no armor protecting it. The weapon systems need to be open to space so they can fire, once again the missiles did not breach the hull.



They're not vulnerable though. Wraith hulls are pretty much impervious to rail guns, the inside of the dart bay isn't but the hull is. You've missed several key pieces of information in your explanation, when you add them in your argue about Wraith hulls being weak and vulnerable falls apart.



I've debunked this above.



Where's your evidence that SG ships have thin hulls? Hives tear each other to shreds and they're huge 11km beasts.



We've seen high nuclear level explosions caused by Wraith weapons before. Explain that.



Unbelievable amounts of fire? Maybe by Galactica standards but not in a sci fi show which has gigaton level nuclear weapons just by adding a small rock.



We've never seen a Hive fire on a 302 or puddle jumper (at least with a direct hit).



Did Galactica then slam into the ocean? Did it lose any hull integrity? Did it show visible signs of heating? The Hive apparently didn't.

lol, yet another gateworld member who twists things to his advantage?

So, basically what your saying - is that of all the times we ve seen Wraith Hives engage other ships, despite the fact they ve never ONCE made nucleur yields vs. other ships, even when they are about to be blown to pieces themselves, that they ll magically increase their firepower by several 1000/million/billion factors? - even though in every single ship engagement, we ve yet to see them do it against another ship?

That was an anomoly, orbital strike... whatever, the point is - its a one off, the vast majority of occassions, infact EVERY SINGLE occassion where a Wraith has engaged another ship, its failed to produce this level of firepower. Its a fair bet to say it wouldn't simply start doing so against Battlestars or basestars. Perhaps that was a orbital strike capability it used? Eithier way... we ve never seen a Wraith Hive manage the same level of firepower per shot against enemy ships - and can't assume that just for the purposes of this discussion they ll start doing so now.

As for the rest.. you ve completely skipped over bits. You glossed over the fact a couple of death gliders damaged Prometheus's hull enough for it to have to leave a couple 100/ 1000 people isolated in the pegasus galaxy, with no idea of their fate - simply by saying it was a different ship? Yeah.. that makes sense... even if prometheus's hull is virtually the same as the X304's. I guess to admit Prometheus's Hull and the X304's hull are similar, and that death gliders managed to cause substantial damage on a hull similar to the one the X304's have, would kinda screw your argument if it means that if the wraith fire really was powerful, then it would have killed the X304 there and then.

As for the death gliders hitting a "exposed system" on Prometheus's hull... i see, so on the one hand, a critically massively important component of the Wraith Hive - its Hyperdrive, happens to be unarmoured, unprotected and utterly exposed to F302 fire... thus explaining away any possible (god forbid!) weaknesses to the Wraith Hull... and now, your saying the same for Prometheus's hull - that the enemy just got lucky and hit a weak point?

Anyway, as quoted from the transcript from the episode Prometheus unbound, according the gateworld transcript:

"NOVAK: We managed to get the shields and hyperdrive back online. However, there was significant hull damage. I wouldn't recommend a long journey in hyperspace."

Those death gliders didn't "hit a exposed system" - they inflicted significant hull damage. 2 death gliders shot up a trinium based hull - the same hull you keep saying is 100 times stronger than steel - and inflicted damage which has potentially compromised structural integrity since Prometheus isn't recommended to remain in hyperdrive for very long. The Prometheus and X304 hull's are similar. If 2 death gliders can cause significant damage... then if Wraith Hive fire was really all you made it out to be, it would have torn through the X304's hull like its butter - since the X304's hull is clearly weak and paper thin. How do i know its paper thin... its called windows - you get a good sense of the thickness of the hull when they show the bridge, mess etc...

Like it or not, 2 death gliders managed to significantly inflict damage to Prometheus's hull... yet similar hulls to the Prometheus's have withstood significant levels of Wraith Hive fire, and survived. I ll say again - if 2 death gliders can cause serious damage to Prometheus's hull, then it stands to reason anything with more firepower would cause even more damage - and anything with a *bit* more firepower would simply blow the hull to pieces. The Wraith Hives are undoubtedly more powerful than the Death Gliders... but not by much. The fact Deadalus is still alive is a testimony to that fact.

As for the missile hitting a exposed section of the Wraith Hive to knock out its hyperdrives. What i saw was a well aimed missile hitting the hull of the Wraith Hive, punching through it, and destroying/ damaging the hyperdrive component under the hull. That place that missile hit was no different in colour, texture or really any visible difference to the rest of the hull. The hull failed to protect one of the most critical aspects of the Hive - its ability to find food, engage targets and run away. If thats destroyed, potentially every living Wraith onboard that ship is dead. It isn't going to be unarmoured or unprotected. The same applies to the cruisers weapon systems.

Throw into this other factors - such as a primitive Geni Nuke managing to take out a entire Wraith Hive, or a single drone managing to destroy a cruiser, then the Wraith Hull really isn't that strong - plus the fact the Wraiths own weapon systems - which are incapable of quickly destroying a X304's hull which can be significantly damaged by Death Gliders - thus are relatively weak against hulls, still manage to slick through their own armour fairly easily.

If the weapons are weak, and their armour doesn't last overly long against their own weapons... this also supports the conclusion their armour is weak.

This is pure logic. You can't simply say that the death gliders randomly got lucky shots on the Prometheus, or that for whatever reason the Wraith, even when they are loosing ship after ship in battles, decide to use their weapons on "luke warm setting" compared to dialing their firepower up to make the sort of firepower we saw on misbeggotten.

The facts are as they are - Wraith Hives have never again generated the sort of firepower seen in Misbeggotten. Prometheus is the proto-type design for the X304's, with a similar hull. 2 death gliders can significantly damage Prometheus's hull. Wraith Hive's fail to destroy ships with similar hulls to the Prometheus.

Conclusion: Standard every-day Wraith firepower isn't overly powerful if it only manages to inflict similar levels of damage on a similar hull as what 2 Death Gliders manage to achieve.

If F302 missiles, Wraith weapons fire and rail guns can damage/ destroy critically vital components to the Hive, and in some cases destroy the entire Wraith Hive fairly easily - then their armour isn't that great eithier.

As for the rest - Galactica did show visible signs of heating... but survived. She's also been on the verge of being swallowed up by a supa-nova, yet survived.... and been going on for 4 years without repair or replenishment, engaging in numerous battles, passing through god knows what (that one radiation cloud in particular was nasty), plus has withstood 1 direct nuke hit - with Pegasus surviving 6 direct nuke hits in her life.

I d say you massively underestimate the capabilities of the Battlestar armour... and their weapon systems.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

TBH I didn't read your last post all the way through as it was a pretty lengthy one, but I'd guess ianjones1246 you're arguing against the Wraith having powerful weapons when used up against ships hulls, well if you recall in the episode The Hive (season 2 of SGA) when the two Hives start shooting at each other there are some pretty large blasts coming off of both Hives (baring in mind their 11 kilometers in length, probably a couple deep and like 3 or 4 wide at the thickest point) in, I've posted a link to a Gateworld snap of that ep for everyone's reference here:
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/dis...um=282&pos=621

I'd guess the reason why the Hive was causing larger blasts in Misbegotten when it was blasting on the planet's surface was because there was an atmosphere, so the final impact damage would be much greater than when those weapons are used in space as there's no atmosphere to cause an impact blast wave, only whatever oxygen comes out of the Hive when the hull is breached.
I'd guess a Hive's skin would be a fair few meters thick so in order to crack it open another has gotta use a lot of brute force to break through.
My guess would be that something like 30 seconds worth of shots would be all that was needed to crack a ship like Galactica, probably less for a basestar and I don't really see either of those ships being able to drop the Hive in that amount of time.

[ianjones1246]

TBH I didn't read your last post all the way through as it was a pretty lengthy one, but I'd guess ianjones1246 you're arguing against the Wraith having powerful weapons when used up against ships hulls, well if you recall in the episode The Hive (season 2 of SGA) when the two Hives start shooting at each other there are some pretty large blasts coming off of both Hives (baring in mind their 11 kilometers in length, probably a couple deep and like 3 or 4 wide at the thickest point) in, I've posted a link to a Gateworld snap of that ep for everyone's reference here:
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/dis...um=282&pos=621

I'd guess the reason why the Hive was causing larger blasts in Misbegotten when it was blasting on the planet's surface was because there was an atmosphere, so the final impact damage would be much greater than when those weapons are used in space as there's no atmosphere to cause an impact blast wave, only whatever oxygen comes out of the Hive when the hull is breached.
I'd guess a Hive's skin would be a fair few meters thick so in order to crack it open another has gotta use a lot of brute force to break through.
My guess would be that something like 30 seconds worth of shots would be all that was needed to crack a ship like Galactica, probably less for a basestar and I don't really see either of those ships being able to drop the Hive in that amount of time.

We ve seen the Prometheus sustain "significant hull damage" (as quotiing the transcript of the episode in question) when under fire (without its shields up) by 2 Death Gliders. These gliders caused enough damage for the rescue mission to Atlantis to be cancelled, and for Prometheus to have to return to earth for repairs.

The Prometheus and X304's hull are made of the same material, using similar (if slightly refined for the X304 based on experiences gained from building Prometheus) construction and design technique's - then logic stands Death Gliders would cause similar levels of damage to an X304 without shields up.

Now... when a X304 has come under fire from a Wraith Hive - in incidents where its shields aren't raised for whatever reason - the ship has sustained significant hull damage, often leading to hull breach's. But the ship has survived and almost always been able to get back operational fairly quickly.

If Death Gliders can cause serious issues to Prometheus/ X304's hull, this implies/ gives a reasonable indication as to the strength and durability of the hull. The fact that these not too-strong hulls have survived at least 3 occassions of taking a pounding from eithier Wraith Hives, or cruisers, all times without shields - implies that the Wraith anti-ship fire isn't too powerful - simply in that if it was reasonably powerful, it would slice through the X304's hull. The fact the X304 (Deadalus) is still around... implies/ gives support to the view that individual Wraith Blasts aren't too powerful against hulls - but as we ve seen, they are pretty effective at dropping shields.

On the otherhand - Battlestars have survived numerous and direct hits from Nukes, and what must be literally tons of ordance thrown at them in their time in BSG. Their weapons are designed with the sole purpose of punching through thick strong enemy hull's - with it in mind that enemy fighters (raiders) will intercept any ordance they use - hence mass drivers for anti-ship, and railguns for anti-fighter/ missile role.

If the battlestars can survive numerous nuke hits and missile hits, they would be able to survive for a reasonably long time against enemy Wraith Hive fire which in all seriousness for each hit probably isn't much more than a death gliders fire (though the rate of fire compensates for this!). Their weapons would also be pretty effective against Wraith Hives armour (since BS weaopns can punch through similar armour on basestars).

Overall then, it would be a close call. Wraith Hives wouldn't manage to cut through Battlestars and Basestars easily. Battlestar fire, Base star ordance, would likely cause substantial damage to Wraith Hulls. If i had to guess it would be:

Individual fire from Battlestar mass drivers = substantially superior to individual Wraith Fire in terms of damage to enemy hulls.

Wraith Hive firepower = inferior to Battlestar individual fire, but far higher rate of fire.

Any fight could potentially go one way or the other. All ships have weaknesses i.e. the Wraith's dart bays would probably not stand up to fire for long from battlestar mass drivers - much like in the case of any Galactica class battlestars their flightpods would probably be a major weakness.

The outcome would depend on the commanders at the time i.e. a Mercury Class (Pegasus) Battlestar, if it managed to get a hive in its front axis of fire, would more than likely make short work of Wraith armour - with its fire slicing deep into the ship, more than likely hitting something critical... so the whole Hive would go up.

Likewise, if the Wraith hives got behind a mercury class, it would probably be able to target the engines, with only a limited amount of fire back at it from the rear batteries - in the process dodging the pawnage batteries at the front of the mercury class battlestars.

It could go one way or another.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

We ve seen the Prometheus sustain "significant hull damage" (as quotiing the transcript of the episode in question) when under fire (without its shields up) by 2 Death Gliders. These gliders caused enough damage for the rescue mission to Atlantis to be cancelled, and for Prometheus to have to return to earth for repairs.

As far as I'm aware the 303 is quite a bit smaller than a 304, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 304 has a lot more hull plating/armor than the 303 does.
By the time Earth built the Daedalus they had been in more close contact with the Asgard, Prometheus was if I recall correctly built entirely from pre-Asgard knowledge (as in before they started to even discuss the idea of giving us their hyperdrives and shields), so wouldn't necessarily have a fraction of the hull strength of a 304, which was built two years later and had an Asgard hyperdrive from the get go so I'd bet their knowledge on hull/material construction was provided too as it wasn't anything offensive.

The Prometheus and X304's hull are made of the same material, using similar (if slightly refined for the X304 based on experiences gained from building Prometheus) construction and design technique's - then logic stands Death Gliders would cause similar levels of damage to an X304 without shields up.

Like I've said above it's also possible that the Asgard helped with the construction and materials of the 304s hulls and they could be a lot thicker, so Death Gliders may not do hardly any damage to a 304s hull, especially if the Asgard taught us better ways of refining Trinium, mixing with other metals, I'm not sure if it's accurate or not but I've heard it said by someone on Gateworld that the 304's hull is a Titanium-Trinium alloy so it is possible that a 304's hull is many times stronger than the Prometheus's was.

Now... when a X304 has come under fire from a Wraith Hive - in incidents where its shields aren't raised for whatever reason - the ship has sustained significant hull damage, often leading to hull breach's. But the ship has survived and almost always been able to get back operational fairly quickly.

If Death Gliders can cause serious issues to Prometheus/ X304's hull, this implies/ gives a reasonable indication as to the strength and durability of the hull. The fact that these not too-strong hulls have survived at least 3 occassions of taking a pounding from eithier Wraith Hives, or cruisers, all times without shields - implies that the Wraith anti-ship fire isn't too powerful - simply in that if it was reasonably powerful, it would slice through the X304's hull. The fact the X304 (Deadalus) is still around... implies/ gives support to the view that individual Wraith Blasts aren't too powerful against hulls - but as we ve seen, they are pretty effective at dropping shields.

You can't really draw the conclusion that a 303 and 304 have remotely the same level of hull strength.
Earth had advanced quite a bit by the end of season 8 of SG1 (I say this coz this is when Daedalus was nearing completion and it's not certain when construction began on it), they had gained some intergalactic hyperdrive tech, been using materials like Trinium and potentially making alloys with it, they were in closer contact with the Asgard by this point so could quite easily have improved the hulls of their ships by many times with assistance, which could explain why the Daedalus was even able to take a pounding from those Wraith blasts with it's shields down.
IMO with all of this taken into consideration I highly doubt Death Glider fire is anywhere near as powerful as a Hive's.

On the otherhand - Battlestars have survived numerous and direct hits from Nukes, and what must be literally tons of ordance thrown at them in their time in BSG. Their weapons are designed with the sole purpose of punching through thick strong enemy hull's - with it in mind that enemy fighters (raiders) will intercept any ordance they use - hence mass drivers for anti-ship, and railguns for anti-fighter/ missile role.

Hives can take Nukes like this: http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/dis...um=292&pos=675 hit directly on them and keep on going, I don’t recall anything as powerful as a Stargate nuke being mentioned to exist on BSG.
Remember also that Hives are 11km long so that blast is a good few kms in diameter.

If the battlestars can survive numerous nuke hits and missile hits, they would be able to survive for a reasonably long time against enemy Wraith Hive fire which in all seriousness for each hit probably isn't much more than a death gliders fire (though the rate of fire compensates for this!). Their weapons would also be pretty effective against Wraith Hives armour (since BS weaopns can punch through similar armour on basestars).

If a Hive can take something like the Daedalus’s nuke and then shrug it off to continue fighting, then another two blast each other to pieces, well one breaks through the other's armor in only a few volleys causing that massive internal explosion in The Hive, how would a Battlestar be able to take the same?
That doesn’t sound right to me.
A Hive's weapons would have to be a fraction, like a 30th or something the power of Daedalus's nuke (estimating ) per shot maybe more.
Remember a 304 may have a hull many times stronger than the Prometheus.

Overall then, it would be a close call. Wraith Hives wouldn't manage to cut through Battlestars and Basestars easily. Battlestar fire, Base star ordance, would likely cause substantial damage to Wraith Hulls. If i had to guess it would be:

Individual fire from Battlestar mass drivers = substantially superior to individual Wraith Fire in terms of damage to enemy hulls.

Wraith Hive firepower = inferior to Battlestar individual fire, but far higher rate of fire.

Any fight could potentially go one way or the other. All ships have weaknesses i.e. the Wraith's dart bays would probably not stand up to fire for long from battlestar mass drivers - much like in the case of any Galactica class battlestars their flightpods would probably be a major weakness.

The outcome would depend on the commanders at the time i.e. a Mercury Class (Pegasus) Battlestar, if it managed to get a hive in its front axis of fire, would more than likely make short work of Wraith armour - with its fire slicing deep into the ship, more than likely hitting something critical... so the whole Hive would go up.

Likewise, if the Wraith hives got behind a mercury class, it would probably be able to target the engines, with only a limited amount of fire back at it from the rear batteries - in the process dodging the pawnage batteries at the front of the mercury class battlestars.

It could go one way or another.

IMO BSG weaponry just isn’t on the level of something like a Hive’s weaponry and a Hive’s armor could probably take Galactica’s nukes and cannon fire for days.