well you could build a higgs-boson annihilator, but i doubt it would do you much good
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead View PostHow do you know that the shots weren't fired at such an angle, that if the Daedalus had moved, they would have hit the jumper? The Daedalus did maneuver itself in such a way that it would stand between the Hive ship and the puddle jumper.Click the banner or episode links to visit the virtual continuations of Stargate!Previous Episode: 11x03 "Shore Leave" | Previous Episode: 6x04 "Nightfall" | Now Airing: 3x06 "Eldest"The Continuing Stargate Wiki | Stargate: Avalon l The New "Ark of Truth" | Stargate: Universe Reviews | Banner designs by Alx
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Maybe the Daedalus was waiting for the Jumper to land in one of the 302 bays... It was only spiraling because they were going as fast as they could to get away from the Hive. Even still, the delay time for those shots gave the Daedalus an opportunity to get out of the way. I would think Col. Caldwell would be more concerned in saving his fancy ship and the 200 people on board than the small crew of a damaged Jumper. Even if it was Atlantis 1.
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead View PostHow do you know that the shots weren't fired at such an angle, that if the Daedalus had moved, they would have hit the jumper? The Daedalus did maneuver itself in such a way that it would stand between the Hive ship and the puddle jumper.
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Originally posted by jds1982 View PostNo they don't, they just reduce the effect of the ships mass. The only way to reduce the ships mass would be to cut part of it off. Other than that you make a good point.
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Originally posted by Andru10 View PostThe inertial dampener actually reduces the physical mass of the ship. In the Atlantis episode "The Eye" (S1E11) Dr. Beckett says he increases the jumpers mass by adjusting the inertial damepeners so the wind from the storm doesn't blow the ship away. Sorry, I couldn't find a transcript but you can check for yourself in the episodeAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing-Edmund Burke
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Originally posted by Anubis10545 View PostMaybe the Daedalus was waiting for the Jumper to land in one of the 302 bays... It was only spiraling because they were going as fast as they could to get away from the Hive. Even still, the delay time for those shots gave the Daedalus an opportunity to get out of the way. I would think Col. Caldwell would be more concerned in saving his fancy ship and the 200 people on board than the small crew of a damaged Jumper. Even if it was Atlantis 1.
If they would have moved out of the way, the hive still could have taken a shot at the PJ.
And as I said, at that point, they had nothing to be concerned about. So they sure as hell weren't going to expose the PJ just because they don't want any more weak hits.
They only found out it was capable of much more when it was charging. The comparison with an aircraft carrier and a sub have already been made: You can't just move such a ship out of the way in a split second when it's not moving. All they could do was take the hits and hope it didn't do too much damage. But unfortunately they got cripled.
So moving out of the way to safe themselfs wasn't an option.
+ Even if they could move out of the way in time, the shots would have simply flew straight to the PJ and possibly hit them.
Wanting to save your own ass and sacrifice some of your own people, is very selfish and I doubt anyone would want that on it's conscience. (Nor do I think it would be appreciated by the folks back home (meaning your superiors)).
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Originally posted by LordAnubis82 View Postu're forgetting SG-1's series finale UNENDING...the Odyssey flew to attack the Ori ships and to avoid Ori weapons fire. they also took little or no damage at first b/c of the ZPM.
and yes: Moving a ship in a fight is crucial to your efforts, as it makes you harder to hit (enemy tracking and weapon control-computer would have to extrapolate your flight-pattern and fire before you are there as direct fire would only hit if you keep steady or fly directly at something)
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ps: moving is even better if you are the smaller opponent (F-304 is about what? 1/20 of a hive? i'd say even smaller! and so it should fly circles around them while hitting the much slower "whale" like hive)
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Originally posted by wkw427 View PostIn Unending, the Oddy moves. If it didn't move it would be dead
Yay for the top writing.
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Originally posted by Matthew486DX View Post
This also was the case for shows like star trek TNG, which is why you never really saw the enterprise do anything other than face the badguy of the week and shoot at it.
I figure that whoever's working on stargate's FX, or possibly whoever's directing the shots, is just mentally stuck in that era in terms of what they expect a space battle to look like and is either unwilling or uninterested in trying anything else, even though with modern computer effects the old limitations are no longer an issue.
There's been a few cases in atlantis when they did show some manuverabiliy but by and large it's been the old, "park infront of the massive enemy warship" strategy. I'll admit I really enjoyed watched them get lambasted the way they did in enemy at the gate, just because the beatings as depicted prior to this resulting from this stupid failure of tactics were nowhere near severe enough to be believable.
I still think the absolute worst example was the Ori satellite though. Here we've got a target that's actually stationary and armed only with a slowly propegating beam weapon taking on a fully mobile ship armed with guided nuclear missiles.
The Prometheus should never have been in any serious danger even from 1000 of those platforms. They simply shouldn't be capable of hitting it at range if it's moving, while they on the other hand, being stationary targets with slow firing weapons, really have no way to NOT get hit by incoming nukes it fires back at them.
The confrontation as depicted in that episode, assuming competance on both sides, should only end one of really two ways.
-The Prometheus doesn't have sufficient nukes to deplete the platform's shields and destroy it, prometheus has to withdraw. Result = draw
-The Prometheus launches a salvo of nukes from outside beam range, the platform fires, destroys one of them, and the others impact it while it's weapon is recharging, destroying it.
I don't remember how much warning they got before it fired the first shot but even if they got none absolutely NOTHING can excuse the sheer stupidity inherent in approaching an unknown threat that closely and then remaining perfectly still directly infront of it.
They should have been circling it from a few thousand kilometers away and maybe sending in fighters if for some stupid reason their sensors, which are perfectly capable of scanning from at least orbital ranges, can't get a proper reading on it.
This episode was a terrible example of how sheer writer/director/fx ignorance created a situation that broke suspension of disbelief so badly for basically no good reason other than pure unadulterated "didn't do the research" style laziness. This was like what, 8 years into SG-1 to as I recall, so you'd think that after spending a better part of a decade writing/directing about space and space battles someone would be able to find some time for a 15 minute google search into how it's actually supossed to work so, even if you are going to decide to make trade offs for increased drama, you don't make a complete bumble**** of stupidity out of it.
This was basically stupidity on the same level as a guy with a gun being killed in the story by a guy with no legs, who's tied to a chair, and can only swing his knife once per minute thanks to a debilitating muscle disease. Would anybody seriously expect an audience to swallow that sort of bull**** in anything other than a deliberate comedy scenario meant to poke fun at the sheer amount of staggering ineptitude that would be necessary to actually get killed in such a way?
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ok just to clarify, inertial dampners do NOT increase or decrease the ships mass, they do however create a force equal to the force acting on the ship, therefore cancelling out the g force. Think of it like this, if youre in a car, going at say 150 mph, and you swiftly turn left, you get jolted to the right of the car, inertial dampners would completely stop this.
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