Death Gliders vs Tanks (M1 Abrams)

[Buba uognarf]

I think Faster stuff lie wariors and stricker would be better Abrams is verry tall

also id imagine a staff wepon would be verry good against metal armor

Now VS the raith on the other hand easy mascre

Are you kidding? Darts would own gliders easily.

[Mclean]

Are you kidding? Darts would own gliders easily.

Yep I have to agree with you. Darts are far superior.

[ManiacMike]

plasma is superheated gas. so even though its terribly weak against many sources, it can cut throug metal like a hot knife through butter. in some episodes, they just siffed right through the blast door of the control room

yes, they even said when staff blasts hit the older body armor, it super cooked them while they died.

So basically if it doesn't shoot through the tank like bb's through tissue paper, it will heat the metal and turn it into an oven cooking who ever is inside.

[thekillman]

the tank would explode after 1 hit because the impact detonated the ammo inside

[Ed]

Yep I have to agree with you. Darts are far superior.

darts go down to small arms fire they fly slow enugh to hit with a P-90 gliders can take a glancing blow from a stinger or doge it see full circle

[Buba uognarf]

darts go down to small arms fire they fly slow enugh to hit with a P-90 gliders can take a glancing blow from a stinger or doge it see full circle

They have more effective weapons, are faster and have a an actual computer display unlike gliders.

[Ed]

they ar not faster they fly at subsonic speed gliders go at mach 2.5 wepons are about equal (theu use the same explosives for the effects) but gliders have two the dart is mre agile but the glider out runs it so much its outclassed look at them doing atack runs in seige they are going slow enugh to fly between buildings as oposed to gliders in cotinum though the gliders where under a better comander.

The dart suffers from jack of all trades master of none its a harvester drop ship recon gate ship and fighter the death glider is a pure fighter note it sucks at air to ground

[Buba uognarf]

they ar not faster they fly at subsonic speed gliders go at mach 2.5 wepons are about equal (theu use the same explosives for the effects) but gliders have two the dart is mre agile but the glider out runs it so much its outclassed look at them doing atack runs in seige they are going slow enugh to fly between buildings as oposed to gliders in cotinum though the gliders where under a better comander.

The dart suffers from jack of all trades master of none its a harvester drop ship recon gate ship and fighter the death glider is a pure fighter note it sucks at air to ground

In siege they travel at 10,000km/s, Darts easily keep up with F-302's...They're definately not lacking in the speed sector. Darts guns are more rapid fire regardless of number, they pack more punch being able to destroy a PJ is a single burst of fire (compared to gliders in Moebius take several to bring down the time jumper).

Darts are better. Better weapons. Better targetting. At least as fast.

[wraith_ownage]

The M1 Abrams tanks, or any armour, is a logistical mightmare.

1) They each weigh 54 tons

2) They can't be transported by plane
3) Have to be shipped by vesel, and then by truck or train overland to the battlefront

Their logisical support includes

1) APCs
2) tracked veheicles for recce operations
artelliary
3) air defence
4) Engineering/vehicle reair units

wrong look at iraq the tanks and armor are light enough and have been flown in by c130s the c500 hercules planes and air droped by large chinock helicopters so yes they can be air dropped easily, oh dont forget they dont need to be brouht by train they have their own life support systems have 2 gas turbine engines so they can drive up to speeds of 70mph plus radio computer and various sensors so the armored vehicles are self seficciant and dont need to be trucked they just need to be air lifted to the area and thats it

[Lord Excalibar]

if not faster.

[tauriprivatesoldier]

wrong look at iraq the tanks and armor are light enough and have been flown in by c130s the c500 hercules planes and air droped by large chinock helicopters so yes they can be air dropped easily, oh dont forget they dont need to be brouht by train they have their own life support systems have 2 gas turbine engines so they can drive up to speeds of 70mph plus radio computer and various sensors so the armored vehicles are self seficciant and dont need to be trucked they just need to be air lifted to the area and thats it

Sorry dude, but you're wrong on several counts.

I was actually using the Gulf war as an example. I based my statements on actual journals in the Armed Forces review. It is a peer-reviewed military journal published by the US army and the authors are commanders in the US army. These journal should be available in hard copies in a really good libray or in a really good university research database. From 1993 to 1998, there were actually a lot of articles published by these commanders on the logistical nightmare of the armour units.

oh dont forget they dont need to be brouht by train they have their own life support systems have 2 gas turbine engines so they can drive up to speeds of 70mph plus radio computer and various sensors so the armored vehicles are self seficciant and dont need to be trucked they just need to be air lifted to the area and thats it

Well, think about it, if those tanks traveled all those distances, they would have to be refuelled constantly by fiel tanks because the M1 Abrams actually eat up a lot of fuel. We're talking about a entire train of support vehicles following the tanks into the Saudi Arabia desert from the coastline!

To the military planners of the Gulf war, it was uch safer and actually quicker to transport those tanks by truckbed to a FOB (Foward Operating Base).
Go read a thick book on the Gulf war or do some research. The tanks in the Gulf war were really sent to the battlefront by truck bed!

tanks and armor are light enough and have been flown in by c130s the c500 hercules planes and air droped by large chinock helicopters so yes they can be air dropped easily,

I think you;re referring to the Stryker vehicle used in the 2005 Iraq war. Those vehicles can be lifted by Chinnoks.

Besides, in an earlier post in this thread, I think state that the M1 Abrams can be airlifted:

Sorry, just found out that the M1 Abrams can be carried by the C-5 and C-17 military transport planes

APC means armoured personnel carrriers. They are basically vehicles covered in armour and depending on their size, can carry up to 10 soldiers. They ride infantry soldiers into the battlefield, along with armour units. They offer protection from small-arms fire and RPGs (rocket-propelled grenades)

[thekillman]

well if you do want to make the abrahams a true goauld killer:

1- ceramic polymer armor. a MUST.
2- remove the gun and place a railgun instead. atleast 250km range with speeds of mach 6. superior range, power, speed, and ROF, not to mention the absence of explosive ammo
[dont go saying the actual numbers given in the siege or of reallife railguns. we can make a railgun fire further and faster than stated there, cause these railguns were prototype emplacements]

3-remove the logistical nightmare thing. rip off its current engines, make it electro-engine propelled with a Mark I in the back for power to its tracks and its railgun. no superfuelconsuming tank.
transport is easier due to the lightweight CP.

any fighter could be killed from 250km away, and special ammo could be used[like fragment ammo] to kill massive armies of jaffa. hell, it might even be able to fire into orbit!

[Stewart5]

There is no real need for a heavy battle tank in SG engagements. Especially against energy weapons. We have plenty of anti-air and anti-infantry. i also think that an Abrahams or the mighty Charlie 2 would be punded by a Death Glider or the like. they would be good against contempory Terran opponents, but against plasma weaponry?

As for continuity, sometimes staff wepaons blow holes in the gateroom doors, sometimes they don't.

[Ed]

In siege they travel at 10,000km/s, Darts easily keep up with F-302's...They're definately not lacking in the speed sector. Darts guns are more rapid fire regardless of number, they pack more punch being able to destroy a PJ is a single burst of fire (compared to gliders in Moebius take several to bring down the time jumper).

Darts are better. Better weapons. Better targetting. At least as fast.

We have seen shepards jumper take lots of hits from darts the one in mobius took about 5 a direct hit to the front is alot diferent than a glancing blow to the rear

ROF isnt much diferent between the dart in brotherhood and the gliders in continum

Also gliders can hover something a dart cant do this implies nore versatile engines and better verticle turning (look at a harrier vs any other jet of its era) gliders keep up with 302s in the flashbacks in avalon when has a dart ever done this? but even if they have there is still the longevity issue a glidder can take hits a dart goes down in one every time sometimes even to small arms.

[Buba uognarf]

We have seen shepards jumper take lots of hits from darts the one in mobius took about 5 a direct hit to the front is alot diferent than a glancing blow to the rear

ROF isnt much diferent between the dart in brotherhood and the gliders in continum

Also gliders can hover something a dart cant do this implies nore versatile engines and better verticle turning (look at a harrier vs any other jet of its era) gliders keep up with 302s in the flashbacks in avalon when has a dart ever done this? but even if they have there is still the longevity issue a glidder can take hits a dart goes down in one every time sometimes even to small arms.

Watch EaTG you'll see that a Dart is far superior. W

hen have we seen a Jumper take a lot of hits from a dart? The one time there's been direct hits the Jumper exploded.

What you're doing is picking out the best instances of a Glider and comparing it to the worst of the Dart instances, even then you're getting it wrong. In Broken Ties I think the Darts rose vertically up out of the Wraith outpost, guess they can hover. Why do you think Darts can't hover? Have they had need to in the series? When has a Dart ever not kept up with a 302? When has it been shown to be slower? A glider can't take direct hits from Dart weapons though so its ability to not be downed by concentrated machine gun fire isn't going to help it.

I'll say it again watch EaTG, the rate of fire displayed by Darts is far superior to anything a Glider has shown they also do a number on our 302's.