Multiple Stargates (SPOILERS for EatG)

[stargater1990]

not a bad idea however thats wat the atlantis expedition has been doing for the past 5 years.

no but weve still been dealing with the wraith, especially with todd. they should leave him on earth in a nice dark cell and go back to PG and essientally just explore planets that the ancients made outposts on and try and aquire some cool technology. they should go completely off the grid and that includes trading with the humans for food and stuff. just explore.nothing else.

[Lord Excalibar]

and wat happens if the wraith attack again and again and again.

[knowles2]

This is another "Enemy at the Gate" Thread, covering aspects of the leaked episode, so there be major spoilers ahead:

Spoiler:

Anyway, at one point in the episode, we learn that the Wraith were using a Stargate on the Advanced Hive to keep Earth from dialing out. However, the odd part about this is that the Stargate on the Hive is able to lock out the SGC's Stargate without actually establishing a connection. Indeed, Atlantis is later able to dial in, connecting to the Hiveship but still demonstrating that the Wraith had not dialed out.

McKay makes note that a Pegasus Stargate always takes precedence over a Milky Way Stargate. However, this explains neither how the Wraith would have been aware of such a precedence, nor why the Pegasus Stargate's mere presence was enough to disrupt the function of the Milky Way Stargate.

For those that have seen the episode or who don't mind having the surprise ruined, any thoughts on the issue would be appreciated.

Plot convenient cannot have their lead character die in a moment of glory now could they so they came up with Stargate and use a convenient explanation to why they could get on board.
Damn the fact the wraith would of dial right when they arrive at the planet or they would most likely put force field around gate you know just little convenient plot devices to use make sure our guys wins.

[Quadhelix]

Plot convenient cannot have their lead character die in a moment of glory now could they so they came up with Stargate and use a convenient explanation to why they could get on board.

You know that and I know that. David Hewlett knows that too, but Rodney McKay does not.

So, while you are right about the Real World reason, I am wondering what the "In Universe" reason is.

Damn the fact the wraith would of dial right when they arrive at the planet

As far as we can tell, they apparently couldn't dial out until the 'Gate was recalibrated. Furthermore, given the "In Universe" explanation for what happened, the Wraith had no need to dial out, as the Pegasus 'Gate was effectively acting as a jammer for the Milky Way 'Gate.

they would most likely put force field around gate you know just little convenient plot devices to use make sure our guys wins.

The Wraith probably weren't figuring that anyone would dial in. After all, as far as the Wraith know, the only way for someone on Earth to dial in would be for them to first 'gate to another planet, which would be impossible given the disruptive presence of the Pegasus 'Gate.

[knowles2]

You know that and I know that. David Hewlett knows that too, but Rodney McKay does not.

So, while you are right about the Real World reason, I am wondering what the "In Universe" reason is.



As far as we can tell, they apparently couldn't dial out until the 'Gate was recalibrated. Furthermore, given the "In Universe" explanation for what happened, the Wraith had no need to dial out, as the Pegasus 'Gate was effectively acting as a jammer for the Milky Way 'Gate.

Sorry the Wraith have so far as we were shown knew nothing about our Stargate network and could not of known that a inactive gate by it self would stop Earth from dialling out. If they would of said they downloading that knowledge during the capture of the Daedalus it would make sense but they did not. In fact the only knowledge they had was from the sub transmission, I would personally of use the capture of the ship as the reason they had all the information they had and made the transmission just contained the coordinates of Earth.

The Wraith probably weren't figuring that anyone would dial in. After all, as far as the Wraith know, the only way for someone on Earth to dial in would be for them to first 'gate to another planet, which would be impossible given the disruptive presence of the Pegasus 'Gate.

A scientist smarter than good old Todd, I doubt Todd would of left the Stargate so under defended, especially given their forcefield technology is more advance than the Asgard, Todd would not this guy would not.

[Quadhelix]

Sorry the Wraith have so far as we were shown knew nothing about our Stargate network and could not of known that a inactive gate by it self would stop Earth from dialling out. If they would of said they downloading that knowledge during the capture of the Daedalus it would make sense but they did not. In fact the only knowledge they had was from the sub transmission, I would personally of use the capture of the ship as the reason they had all the information they had and made the transmission just contained the coordinates of Earth.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that the Wrath were unable to dial out, as they had not recalibrated the 'Gate for Milky Way coordinates, either because they did not know how (it is possible that we know how to only because we have to the programing of the Milky Way 'Gates) or because they had figured out that their 'Gate would block ours.

After all, you have to remember that this is not the first occasion where a "rogue" underling of Todd's has made a run on Earth. Thus, it quite possible that Todd learned of the interference between Pegasus and Milky Way 'Gates.

A scientist smarter than good old Todd, I doubt Todd would of left the Stargate so under defended, especially given their forcefield technology is more advance than the Asgard, Todd would not this guy would not.

This guy was a scientist, not a strategist.

[stargater1990]

and wat happens if the wraith attack again and again and again.

they cant attack us because they wont know where atlantis is because we can choose yet another new planet to go to. and if they find us offworld we'll deal with them like we always to, kill em and get back to atlantis.

[Pat1487]

McKay dialed earth while earth tried to dial the alpha site, they didnt try to dial after that cause they just assumed the wraith's gate overrides earths

The wraith brought the gate for any number of reasons:

1. It has a zpm on board, so why not put a gate on the ship, you dont have to worry about power reqs and its more convenient, then they figured it could be used to stop earth from dialing, but it didnt work

2. They cant use the normal strategy of dialing the gate of the planet they are attacking, so the next best thing is to bring your own gate in an attempt to jam it, im sure they are aware of what happens with 2 gates on 1 planet, but since they know nothing of the MW gate system when they got here and tried dialing it failed, so the plan to dial out to jam earth failed, and they gave up on it before McKay dialed in

3. They had no intention of using it against us in any way, they just put a gate on the ship because it was their most advanced ship

[peragrin]

Todd has been to Earth and Knows of earths custom DHD's in both the SGC and Midway stations.

Todd's minion who took over midway station also transmits messages back to the cruiser where his troops are. This is how he can tell them to send more troops.

all data gathered at the time of that transmission should logically be assumed to be sent back to the cruiser. It might not yet be understood but it is still there. Log files from construction are great at finding weakness's in your enemies vessels and buildings. Those log files would contain the pegasus/milky way gate problem.

While i don't understand why it is other than plot, it does explain how the wraith knew(they wen crawling back to Todd after the death of the Minion.)

[amforster]

Here is my idea...

1) Pegasus gates have a preference for dialing other pegasus gates (or pegasus gates with dhds)... so when atlantis dials earth they get the wraith ship not earth

2) When pegasus gates are in close proximity to milky way gates the milky way gates stop working (hence the work around mentioned with regard the midway station? This would explain why earth could not dial out.

3) Alternatively earth could not dial out because atlantis had already dialed in when they tried.

but what really bothered me....

Why on earth did the wraith bother to bring a stargate with them in the first place???? Tactically seems ridiculously stupid. You would have thought they would have some protection like a shield or iris if indeed it was neccessary. Very irritating.

[Ed]

Maybe the lantians built the stargates that way for upgrade purposes think about it if you go too a planet to replace its old gate with a newer one but the MW style gate isn't were you put it its mved been buried then you put the new one and leave saves you having to find the old one.

Or the MW gates are not built to work like they did in SG1 when the russians get one but the gould alter them remember tealc said the gould may place two chapa eyes on a planet if they deem it importaint enugh maybe they took the safegard off the MW gate which was latter reactivated when the PG gate showed up.