Deadalus vs Enterprise vs BSG

[ykickamoocow]

In a three-way fight BSG should stand back for as long as possible. The Daedalus and the Enterprise have shields that would leave the BSG at a total disadvatage.

The Daedalus could just beam a nuke in and destroy it in an instant.
The Enterprise could just beam a boarding party to sabotage the systems.

The only chance the BSG can have is hang back until the two ships soften each other up and send all its fighters to do battle once the shields are down.

Daedalus should use the 302's to its advatage. The Daedalus as I recall carries a PJ. They should focus their fire on a particular section. Then send in the PJ carrying a nuke and blow up the enterprise from within. The PJ can sneak in since Enterprise can't detect cloak ships.

Actually depending on how good the cloak is the Enterprise can detect them. There has been several cases of a Federation ship detecting a cloaked ship.

Also in a episode of Voyager the Federation actually used the tactic of beaming a photon torpedo aboard a Borg ship. Also in Star Trek you cant beam anything onboard a ship which has its sheilds up.

[a6346]

Also if they know a puddle jumper is in the field then they can do what they did on Nemesis, and all it would take is 1 Phasor hit to destroy an unshielded jumper. Fighters can be beamed away easily in Star trek once again IN Nemesis Enterprise transported a Reman fighter into its cargo hold.

Federation could just tractor the 304's into a nearby sun/planet which would easily end the 304's.

Federation can detect cloak and have done before on many occasions.

Enterprise could just jetison it's warp core and the Anti-matter explosion would wipe out any cloaked ship and most likely any ship within range.

Federation sensors are better, Therefore they can scan ships for weak points, Can find places to hide if they need it.

Starfleet know how to time travel without Ancient devices (Kirks done it far to often).

Federation ships are constructed better. They weren't built in secret, were built in zero G, Federation have more experience with ship building. Can withstand substantialy damage, Have more advanced construction methods and better materials to doit with.

More experience with interstellar warfare (Even though there crap at security there good with fleet tactics and deployment).

Federation morale is higher as most ships are basically 5 star hotels with brilliant sensors and weapons. Were as 304's are just as cramped as normal navy warships.

Federation secondary systems are better as there systems are 400-500 years more advanced than anything Earth can contruct (Not including Asgard systems but there is no evidence that there is any secondary systems on those ships.

Its all Federation tech, therefore they know how to repair and modify it compared to 304's which are mostly alien ships built on Earth.

Federation are better in everyway except shields, hyperdrive and weapons and Asgard beams go offline incredibly easily and apart from the nukes (Which can be shot down incredibly easily) any weapon the 304's can fire wouldn't even touch a Starfleet ship.

[ykickamoocow]

Federation are better in everyway except shields, hyperdrive and weapons and Asgard beams go offline incredibly easily and apart from the nukes (Which can be shot down incredibly easily) any weapon the 304's can fire wouldn't even touch a Starfleet ship.

I dont see any evidence to suggest the 304 has better sheilds and weapons than the Federation.

[thekillman]

Federation sensors are better, Therefore they can scan ships for weak points, Can find places to hide if they need it

asgard sensors, the latest, which the oddy has, is capable of penetrating a goauld shield and still scan pinpoint. can the enterprise do that?

shields. well, in stargate they are hanging towards fanwank. so i doubt the enterprise has better ones. besides, the asgard are still more advanced than the federation.

cloaks. well jumpers when cloaked arent detected. not even by asurans. so i very much doubt the enterprise can. or it just fires drones. penetrating the enterprises shields, and destroying it.

and within the stargate verse, they have watched startrek. so they could abuse all and any weaknesses. so if the three shows meet, its stargate owning all, cause we can recieve both shows . lets see if the BGS/ BSP can take a direct hit from OUR nukes.

and about startrek nukes: nukes arent effective AT ALL against shielded targets. so their torpedo's wont either. unless they are something different than the torpedos i know. besides, 304's, if the plot wants a cool scene, have extraordinary maneuvering capabilities. so the torpedo's wont work. and while they pound at us with lasers[which most likely arent effective either], we hit them with shield destroyers. then finish off with nukes. and we, using our trek knowledge, target the warpcore, and destroy it.

[Mister Oragahn]

Also if they know a puddle jumper is in the field then they can do what they did on Nemesis, and all it would take is 1 Phasor hit to destroy an unshielded jumper. Fighters can be beamed away easily in Star trek once again IN Nemesis Enterprise transported a Reman fighter into its cargo hold.

Latest puddle jumpers have shields and hyperdrives.
Hitting a cloaked ship with such a small profile is very hard.
The only bad point there being that PJs can't fire while cloaked. Hum yeah, that's from Trek.
Who said they didn't like Trek?

Federation could just tractor the 304's into a nearby sun/planet which would easily end the 304's.

No they couldn't.

Federation can detect cloak and have done before on many occasions.

Trek cloaks are not Lantian cloaks. Unless you have proof they are.

Enterprise could just jetison it's warp core and the Anti-matter explosion would wipe out any cloaked ship and most likely any ship within range.

Critical warp cores sometimes even fail to completely vapourize their own ship. Besides, they cannot direct the warp core ejection safe downwards, and this is a slow process.
The amount of energy hitting the 304, due to inverse square law, will largely be within acceptable parameters. The Prometheus withstood the explosion of its own overloaded naqahdria reactor, which was to said to be able to turn Nevada into a smoking crater.
Besides, once the warp core will be ejected, the Federation ship will uniquely rely on her fusion engines.

Federation sensors are better, Therefore they can scan ships for weak points, Can find places to hide if they need it.

Asgard sensors are just as good, if not better. They can beam people from orbit through a whole heavily ionized atmosphere. It could less to scramble Federation sensors.

Starfleet know how to time travel without Ancient devices (Kirks done it far to often).

SGC knows too, via stargates and solar flares. There's also that puddle jumper last located in Egypt as far as I remember, with time travel abilities.

Federation ships are constructed better. They weren't built in secret, were built in zero G, Federation have more experience with ship building. Can withstand substantialy damage, Have more advanced construction methods and better materials to doit with.

Nope. Tau'ri ships use alloys of trinium and naqahdah. Trinium itself is 100 times stronger than steel. Tau'ri ships fly just as well as Federation ships, and Federation ships go down for the same reason, with sparks inside bridges and exploding consoles.

More experience with interstellar warfare (Even though there crap at security there good with fleet tactics and deployment).

From what we see in the vast majority of Trek, all methods of combat won't make a difference. While the Enterprise will be able to shoot down some missiles, maybe most of them, they don't have what's necessary to prevent beaming nukes next to their ships.
Plus the Daedalus has the beams, which albeit slow, can touch the E if the ship is placed correctly.

Federation morale is higher as most ships are basically 5 star hotels with brilliant sensors and weapons. Were as 304's are just as cramped as normal navy warships.

With kids and families onboard. Tau'ri ships are pure military ships, eventually with scientists, they know their jobs and the risks, and they'll fight, not drink tea or wank around with holodicks.

Federation secondary systems are better as there systems are 400-500 years more advanced than anything Earth can contruct (Not including Asgard systems but there is no evidence that there is any secondary systems on those ships.

Regardless of what you mean by secondary systems, Tau'ri ships have primary systems which are plain enough to engage the enemy. They also have superior beaming tech.

Its all Federation tech, therefore they know how to repair and modify it compared to 304's which are mostly alien ships built on Earth.

Thus far, asgard weapons, even after failing, were repaired (SGA season 5), same for hyperdrives and sensors.

[ha'tak_]

Deadalus vs BSG: deadalus fire beam weapons and bsg is deastroyed

Deadalus vs Enterprise: same story

Bsg VS Enterprise: dont know

[a6346]

asgard sensors, the latest, which the oddy has, is capable of penetrating a goauld shield and still scan pinpoint. can the enterprise do that?

Yes they can and not even Ancient sensors can pick out a certain lifeform and disingiush it from the rest Federation sensors can. Federation have transdimesional deepspace probes (That can penetrate gas giants and sometimes suns) and varios other probes Daedalus has none that we know. Federation can target individual weapons systems and individual power conduits. They can get an exact reading of how many certain types of lifeforms are on a whole planet without having to move around it (They can choose which lifeform to scan for). There sensors can penetrate several thousand feet of solid rock with perfect accuracy, They can also beam through this. They have a range of lightyears with that sort of accuracy there astrometrics labs can catalogue entire star systems just passing it. Im sorry Starfleet prevails here without a doubt.

shields. well, in stargate they are hanging towards fanwank. so i doubt the enterprise has better ones. besides, the asgard are still more advanced than the federation

. I said they had better shields and TBH they are so much fanwank involved in them.

cloaks. well jumpers when cloaked arent detected. not even by asurans. so i very much doubt the enterprise can. or it just fires drones. penetrating the enterprises shields, and destroying it.

Proof that they can't be detected??. When a jumper decloaks the Phasors will get there pretty much instananiosly. Weres the proof that they will penetrate Federation shields?

and within the stargate verse, they have watched startrek. so they could abuse all and any weaknesses. so if the three shows meet, its stargate owning all, cause we can recieve both shows . lets see if the BGS/ BSP can take a direct hit from OUR nukes.

Well thats cheating. And Stargate will be deep in the Federation archives and they've seen later series of Stargate that haven't happened yet .

and about startrek nukes: nukes arent effective AT ALL against shielded targets. so their torpedo's wont either

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There torpedo's are we've seen them be very effective against shields so therefor they are able to work against 304's. Just Phasors don't get exhausted and using them against shields is wise, But if needed they will (Nemesis).

unless they are something different than the torpedos i know. besides, 304's, if the plot wants a cool scene, have extraordinary maneuvering capabilities.

Then why do they sit still so much? Also Phasors have a very good hit ratio. Apart from Daedy running from hives in Siege 2 and Oddysey in Unending and bamsr they just sit there and get there arse handed to them (ORI supergate they didn't move much).

and while they pound at us with lasers[which most likely arent effective either],

Federation don't use lasers they are primitive and don't even get past the navigational deflectors (TNG were some primitive ships with nukes and lasers threatens Enterprise-D and the crew laugh at them They pretty much did aswell).

we hit them with shield destroyers. then finish off with nukes. and we, using our trek knowledge, target the warpcore, and destroy it.

Weres the proof Phasors won't be anymore effective that the Plasma beams? Chances are there just as effective as each other, Federation Phasors will hit the shields faster.

With kids and families onboard. Tau'ri ships are pure military ships, eventually with scientists, they know their jobs and the risks, and they'll fight, not drink tea or wank around with holodicks.

Well to make it fair they won't have there families onboard and all ships had time to prepare otherwise galactica is in the same very well known creek without a paddle. And anyway having your families onbaord will mean they have something to fight for they won't want there families to die now will they. And the Federation don't wank . And wtf is wrong with drinking tea?

[TheAccended]

Actually post Dominion War most Federation ships don't have large non civilian crew members anymore as well as the newer ships are being built largely for offense against future threats and the Borg.

Putting Galactica up against any Federation Ship or ship in Stargate is suicide. It just doesn't have the fire power and defenses to last very long. Phasers in ST are capable of vaporizing most any metal the same goes as well for the Asgard beams most likely. Not to mention the effective range of the Phasers is 300,000km and a torpedo over a million. Enterprise could set well beyond Galatica's range and hammer it, not sure about the range for the Stargate weapons though.

Last thing unshielded fighters are essentially sitting ducks for both ships.

[YutheGreat]

There seems to be a debate on whose shields, weapons, sensors are better. who can really answer that question?

In Star trek it always appears that the ships of different races but in the end they all balance each other out in the end well except the borg.

[a6346]

Just realized I missed out a few

Critical warp cores sometimes even fail to completely vapourize their own ship.

Just proof that Starfleet ships are built incredibly well.

Besides, they cannot direct the warp core ejection safe downwards, and this is a slow process.
The amount of energy hitting the 304, due to inverse square law, will largely be within acceptable parameters. The Prometheus withstood the explosion of its own overloaded naqahdria reactor, which was to said to be able to turn Nevada into a smoking crater.

The matter/antimatter warp core is much more powerful than anything Naquadah/Naquadria based due to the reaction.

Besides, once the warp core will be ejected, the Federation ship will uniquely rely on her fusion engines.

So if its won all it has to do is sit around and wait for another Federation ship to tow it.

SGC knows too, via stargates and solar flares. There's also that puddle jumper last located in Egypt as far as I remember, with time travel abilities.

Yes but they have to wait for it to happen, Starfleet has done it several times on there own accords and doesn't have to wait for solar ejection or to find an Ancient device, and they don't need another ship to help do it they can achieve it with there own ships.

Nope. Tau'ri ships use alloys of trinium and naqahdah. Trinium itself is 100 times stronger than steel. Tau'ri ships fly just as well as Federation ships, and Federation ships go down for the same reason, with sparks inside bridges and exploding consoles.

The Federation which has thousands of years of interstellar ship building experience (Vulcans, Andorians have long space ship building histories and have said it goes into thousands of years) have huge shipyards (Utopia planitia) capable of building ships and colosal space stations (Earth station is gigantic). Who don't have to operate in complete secrecy and have far more advanced contruction methods and thousands of planets to get materials to build there ships from. We've seen starships survive crash landings on planets and come out relatively intact (Generations, Voyager) could a 304 survive?. The Galaxy class can seperate/intergrate into 2 sections without any problems. They have intergrated structural integrity and damage controll systems hundreds of years more advanced than the 304's (We've seen Voyagers decks explode and contained to only that deck 'Year of hell'), And there fleet yards have mass replicators. Federation contruction methods are far more superior in every way.

With kids and families onboard. Tau'ri ships are pure military ships, eventually with scientists, they know their jobs and the risks, and they'll fight, not drink tea or wank around with holodicks.

Ronald D moor stated that 'there are definetly no Children onboard Starfleet ships as of 'First Contact''. I think he didn't want assimilated kids running around would've been to disturbing. And as parents are unlikely to leave there children on Earth there mothers would be with them.

Thus far, asgard weapons, even after failing, were repaired (SGA season 5), same for hyperdrives and sensors.

Yes but it wasn't designed by the Tauri. Repairing a system is 1 thing knowing how it works is another. The Federation can modify there weapons and upgrade them, It will take the Tauri along time before they can start understanding and modifying those systems.

[Mister Oragahn]

Just proof that Starfleet ships are built incredibly well.

No, just proof they aren't that powerful. It would take many gigatons to destroy a ship, vapourize it, with a central explosion, if said ship was made of iron.
Fact is, the UFP ship is made of alloys better than iron, but it's also incredibly empty as it's a succession of levels and corridors.

The matter/antimatter warp core is much more powerful than anything Naquadah/Naquadria based due to the reaction.

False. While on theory you can't beat anything like AM if the reaction is absolute, naqahdah, and even more naqahdria, have regularily cheated physics in the quantities of energy they liberate.
You'd need 28 kg of AM to make a 1.2 GT weapon, which Trek doesn't use, while the Tau'ri managed to cram into rather small nukes.
Don't even get me started on the yields granted by naqahdria, in the hundreds of gigatons, while stuffing sidewinder big missiles with that material, where there's room left.
And those reactions aren't even anihilation ones. They could even be fission, due to the mass of these elements. Which tells a lot about how they just get energy out of the blue, literally.

So if its won all it has to do is sit around and wait for another Federation ship to tow it.

You're assuming it has won. All the Trek ship does is fly around while slowly ejecting that very energetic core, which any of the 304's sensors would easily pick up (they regularily pick energy signatures from different sources). Even remaining nearby such a reactor is dangerous of the E-D. The 304 wouldn't fly towards a long tube which the Enterprise couldn't even remotely use as a projectile. From the moment they'd start to eject it, they couldn't make any manoeuver otherwise they'd snap the reactor. Therefore the reactor would just drift towards a direction among an infinity of them in space.
Chances the 304 will sit there and look the Enterprise slowly defecate that warp core towards it? Little?
Most funny being that shields likely have to be lowered to do so, and even if not, the 304 would just need to saturate the zone with railgun fire. One single hit and that's your warp core going off, with most chances being that it's not even totally out of the Enterprise.

Yes but they have to wait for it to happen, Starfleet has done it several times on there own accords and doesn't have to wait for solar ejection or to find an Ancient device, and they don't need another ship to help do it they can achieve it with there own ships.

Time travel is gay though, and extremely regulated. It was allowed a very few times, mostly when the whole Earth was in danger. This won't be allowed just to save a single crew. Future UFP is looking for that.

The Federation which has thousands of years of interstellar ship building experience (Vulcans, Andorians have long space ship building histories and have said it goes into thousands of years) have huge shipyards (Utopia planitia) capable of building ships and colosal space stations (Earth station is gigantic). Who don't have to operate in complete secrecy and have far more advanced contruction methods and thousands of planets to get materials to build there ships from.

That list is useless. Tau'ri ships are sturdy and fly very well. They have nothing to envy here.
It took the Tau'ri ten years, with some minor help at the beginning, to reach a level the Earth from Trek took hundreds of years to cover, and that's with multiple and more advanced allies at that time.

We've seen starships survive crash landings on planets and come out relatively intact (Generations, Voyager) could a 304 survive?.

The E-D saucer still had shields at some degree and hit at a soft angle, while the Voyager hit snow and ice. Her intial impact was tough, but it's the underbelly which took all the shock, yet a hit with a rock mount was enough to crack a nacelle while the ship was skying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-yRrxeuP8

We haven't seen a 304 impact anything in a similar way as far as I can remember, but if a Ha'tak is good for comparison, then you had a ship with shields and inertia dampeners on full power and capable of smashing the ocean after a free fall from orbit. The ship suffered from very few cracks after it sank at several hundreds of meters deep.

The Galaxy class can seperate/intergrate into 2 sections without any problems.

Fantastic. The saucer will be the easiest target. Little to no torps and no warp core to power shields, engines, phasers and what have you.
That leaves the trunc.

They have intergrated structural integrity and damage controll systems hundreds of years more advanced than the 304's (We've seen Voyagers decks explode and contained to only that deck 'Year of hell'), And there fleet yards have mass replicators. Federation contruction methods are far more superior in every way.

Who gives? It's not a battle of shipyards.

Ronald D moor stated that 'there are definetly no Children onboard Starfleet ships as of 'First Contact''. I think he didn't want assimilated kids running around would've been to disturbing. And as parents are unlikely to leave there children on Earth there mothers would be with them.

But there were families on the ship Benjamin Sisko flew from because of an attack of the Borg. Actually the UFP was sending ships with families inside against a Borg Cube.

The E-D had families and kids. Remember Picard's day?

Yes but it wasn't designed by the Tauri. Repairing a system is 1 thing knowing how it works is another.

They repaired it, and it worked. Obviously, they know how it works well enough, and that's all they need.

The Federation can modify there weapons and upgrade them, It will take the Tauri along time before they can start understanding and modifying those systems.

First, no, they cannot upgrade their weapons, but just cook some special function to certain systems.
Secondly, it takes a hell of a time to do so.
This is a battle.

[ykickamoocow]

I just found this on wikipedia

Quantum torpedoes
Quantum torpedoes first appear in the Deep Space Nine episode "Defiant" as a weapon aboard the USS Defiant. Additionally, the USS Enterprise-E fires quantum torpedoes in Star Trek: First Contact and Star Trek Nemesis. The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual states that quantum torpedoes derive their destructive power from zero-point energy.

Four of the USS Enterprise-E's quantum torpedoes destroyed an unshielded Borg sphere when targeted properly. Quantum torpedoes are not entirely effective against solid neutronium. Quantum torpedoes are normally shown in a shade of blue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons...ntum_torpedoes

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Im not exactly certain what it proves but it could be like firing a small ZPM a a emeny ship. If the Quantum torpedoes use Zero Point Energy that makes them incredibly powerful.

[thekillman]

depends. the fact that it does doesnt make it a ZPM

The matter/antimatter warp core is much more powerful than anything Naquadah/Naquadria based due to the reaction

haha. naquahdah has a higher energy density than antimatter. thats calculated already.
naquahdah is much, much better than antimatter.

and it will indeed take a long time before the beam cannons will be upgraded. but hey, they were the state of the state of the state of the art weapons, solely designed to kill shielded ships[or hives], made by the most advanced race around in stargate. thats like the dominion or borg giving their most advanced weapons they recently created to the enterprise. and like i said, warpcore wont do much good. nukes are utterly useless against shields, stargate wise. besides, our secondary systems have ancient and asgard and goauld and tokra technology bases. and we have a trained, experienced crew. with very much better morale, seeing as they know they cant fail. wheras in enterprise, they have everything, and their death only means annother ship can take its place.
and from what i have watched of startrek, shields werent exactly superpowerfull. wheras in stargate, no shields means you're dead. unless you have hives.

im wondering. how come BSG is so weak?

and about capturing ships. stargate wins again. beam off everyone to space. tadaa, we win

[Guest750]

And, if the need be, SG could always bring Atlantis into the fight. It has several jumper bays full of jumpers which can cloak and fire at the same time, countless drones that it can fire with incredible ease and an impenetrable shield.

Mind you the Ori would own all with their shields that draw energy from their enemies attacks (''Beachhead'').

[ykickamoocow]

And, if the need be, SG could always bring Atlantis into the fight. It has several jumper bays full of jumpers which can cloak and fire at the same time, countless drones that it can fire with incredible ease and an impenetrable shield.

Mind you the Ori would own all with their shields that draw energy from their enemies attacks (''Beachhead'').

You could use the same arguement with a federation space station. DS9 was capable of destroying over 50 ships before getting destroyed themselves.