What can beat the Andromeda Ascendant?

[nx01a]

While the Andromeda is quite powerful and smart, especially with those nova bombs, I've never been able to get past the horrible CGI on the show.

[Crazy Tom]

While the Andromeda is quite powerful and smart, especially with those nova bombs, I've never been able to get past the horrible CGI on the show.

Awaits the inevitable NX-01 claim...thats; not such a bad idea actually.

[JSPuddlejumper]

"the reallty is, there arent awhole lot of ships that could even touch Andromeda. No stargate, no Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, anything."

Nova bombs are quite useless in close combat, only useful if your enemey is very far away and if they do not enter, exit hyperspace etc...the bomb takes time to go off and is detectable. Nova bomb destroys a solar system, generally.


In rank order, I am forgetting some:

Atlantis, Vorlon planet destroyer (50km, about 100 beam weapons, 1 hit destroys any planet of any size), Lexx, Magog worldship, the Shadow planet destroyer, the upgraded Odyssey with ZPM, Vorlon mothership, Daedalus with beams, Victory class destroyer, Shadow mothership, Wraith of Achilees and so on...

This is forgetting about the Star Trek universe.

[Crazy Tom]

"the reallty is, there arent awhole lot of ships that could even touch Andromeda. No stargate, no Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, anything."

Nova bombs are quite useless in close combat, only useful if your enemey is very far away and if they do not enter, exit hyperspace etc...the bomb takes time to go off and is detectable. Nova bomb destroys a solar system, generally.


In rank order, I am forgetting some:

Atlantis, Vorlon planet destroyer (50km, about 100 beam weapons, 1 hit destroys any planet of any size), Lexx, Magog worldship, the Shadow planet destroyer, the upgraded Odyssey with ZPM, Vorlon mothership, Daedalus with beams, Victory class destroyer, Shadow mothership, Wraith of Achilees and so on...

This is forgetting about the Star Trek universe.

None of teh B5 ships have been debated yet, and the SG ships you have have all been busted.

[JSPuddlejumper]

busted? LOL.

Get serious.

You can't be that delusional to think that the Andromeda would even scratch the shields of Atlantis, or even the Odyssey.


Then again, you probably are. But I am quite unbiased, and have watched so many sci-fi shows.

[Crazy Tom]

busted? LOL.

Get serious.

You can't be that delusional to think that the Andromeda would even scratch the shields of Atlantis, or even the Odyssey.


Then again, you probably are. But I am quite unbiased, and have watched so many sci-fi shows.

Unbiased, I'd give you that, now look at teh math in the Daedalus vs, Andromeda thread, some of the smateest people on GW were arguing.

[JSPuddlejumper]

Various specs for various sci-fi shows and very fine techincal details are meaningless to me.

I look at on screen performance, which showcases the 'abilities' of said ship against its rivals.



I would say the rank of these are arguable.

Vorlon mothership, Daedalus with beams, Victory class destroyer, Shadow mothership.

Most powerful main weapons: Vorlon/Victory class main weapon, Daedalus beams/Shadow tied second. Daedalus has great shields, Vorlons have superb armor.

[Jarnin]

The big monolith from the movie 2010 would own the Andromeda.

[Amann]

Chuck norris could beat andromeda. One chuck norris roundhouse kick

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Quick tidbits:


Sensor range (304) is 2.9 LY

Beaming range (304) is 160,000 miles (302 top speed from Redemption + flight time in Intruder)

Missiles (Rommie) - see last pae of Andromeda vs. Daedalus for the firepower-per-second. It's like over 1000 gt.

Shields (304) - can take 74 gt. (assorted Atlantis eps seasons 3 & 4)

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Quick tidbits:


Sensor range (304) is 2.9 LY

Beaming range (304) is 160,000 miles (302 top speed from Redemption + flight time in Intruder)

Missiles (Rommie) - see last pae of Andromeda vs. Daedalus for the firepower-per-second. It's like over 1000 gt.

Shields (304) - can take 74 gt. (assorted Atlantis eps seasons 3 & 4)

[Ouroboros]

A note on kinetic kill missiles vs gateverse shields.

Remember in "Beachead" when a Ha'tak was destroyed by a collision with a supergate fragment. Remember in the same episode how a glancing hit from a similar fragment badly damaged the Prometheus as well.

Neither of those seemed to be particularly serious hits. They didn't send the Ha'tak wreckage flying backwards in flames or shove the Prometheus sideways, they just crashed into them at less than 1 km a second.

The Andromeda is going to hit the 304 with 320 fist sized objects moving at around 280,000 km per second, every second, until it explodes. If a glancing hit from a supergate peice moving at low velocity is going to badly damage the Prometheus without even having enough umph behind it to knock it aside how do you expect the shields of a 304 to survive something crashing into them at nearly 300,000 times that speed, 320 times per second, when they've got only the cross sectional area of a fist to work with to stop each one.

The shield's either going to just pop like a bubble, the shield generator's going to be "escorted" out of the ship by 320kg worth of .95c momentum transfer per second, or the missiles are just going to penetrate that small section of shield they hit and continue on through the ship as reletivistic plasma bolts, swiss cheesing it with hundreds of holes per second.

If it doesn't just blow up it's going to look worse than Bonnie And Clyde's car in no time.

I'd also suggest that anyone still wanting to debate the debunked topic of the Daedalus/304 defeating the andromeda carry it over here to this thread.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...t=42313&page=1

Where you will promise to read it before posting rehashed arguments.

This thread is for other ships to have a chance.

[thekillman]

yes, and deadalusVS andromeda is about deadalus, while we already stated the oddy has a chance. now read this properly. HAS A CHANCE. A CHANCE


it doesnt have to be super-ownage. in 1000 battles, it might win once, twice, half the time or all the time. its a chance. people go for straight figures. they forget the unsurety factor. a 304, by specs, is terribly weak, and would forever loose. but hey, occasionally, it won. please do not go with numbers alone.


the beachhead gate segments. well they were supersturdy things. they crashed into a ship, and kept ramming it. they were self propellant, not being shot at massive speeds. also, these things were alkesh-sized, not fist sized

[Quezovercoatl]

Andromeda does 20 megatons of firepower, WEAK to stargate specs.......not when 1200 megatons did nothing to a goa'uld Ha'tak........It would tickle any stargate ship and that is about it. All any stargate ship would have to do is land a hit with a beam weapon and Andromeda is done.

20 megatons per missile
40 missile tubes gives 800 megatons per salvo
8 missiles per second per tube gives 6.4 gigatons per second.
They are kinetic weapons so all of their energy is going to hit the shield as opposed to a nuke where over half of your energy is going to go in the wrong direction.

And the missiles are les powerful that the AP guns*

Andromeda is poorly armed vs. stargate ships. It is unable to kill any shielded ship. Its missiles do like 30-50 megawatts, a locamotive has 3-5 megawatts......so it has the power of 10 locamotives. I find it amusing that Andromeda fans cannot concede that the firepower is tiny. Even the Goa'uld would stand a fair chance of taking on the Andromeda.

You do realise that a megawatt and a megaton are not the same thing right?
A megawatt is million joules per second. A megaton, when used to talk about firepower, means “equal to the energy released by 1,000,000 tons of Trinitrotoluene” that is 4.184x10^15 joules. So about four billion times more firepower that you thought.

personally, i think the andromeda[vessel] is stupid. if only two ships from its universe can defeat it

There is such a thing a fleet. it involves lots of smaller ships, that although individually less powerful, can in numbers destroy larger ships.

[thekillman]

but of they can hit the ship, whats the pointof a fleet.

8 missiles per second per tube gives 6.4 gigatons per second.

thats impossible