Naquadah Generators

[tainor]

The tech came from Orbanians(sp?) I think, I remember that little girl who thought Sam how to build one she had ninites in her brain which made her learn stuff much faster then normal, and then transfer the knowledge back to her people.
Now the Naquadah Generator she build was a box like device that looked like a cross between MW Replicator tech and Wraith.
The one Sam build was a lot different but then we improved on the tech over time, We had a Mark IX gen that delivered 600% more energy then the normal naquadah generator by sustaining a near overload process.
The Mark XII is very impressive even able to power the shield is just incredible. The only other power source known to be able to do that is a ZPM even if Mark XII has 25% the power of ZPM(500yrs give or take) in 25 yrs imagine what kind of power source they might build in 100-200 yrs.
I mean the Alterans built ZPMs over millenniums and we can surpass their power sources in century or two?

How advance will Earth be in 100-200yrs, above Asgard and Alterans/Lanteans?

[2ndgenerationalteran]

these numbers have no backing to them. We know the mark 2 gives out 600% more energy than the original naquadah generator. The mark 12 gives enough to power the shields for 500 years. Not exactly much strain and not as much as the pressure of hundreds of feet of ocean water. If and only if when they expanded the shield to reinforce the atmosphere, it used as much power as the shield when the entire surface area was under various ammounts of pressure would we be able to say the 3,333 years would be comparable to the 500 years that the mark 12 can cover. Under those circumstances the ZPM would be 6-7 times stronger than the mark 12.

Orbanians could not have been the civilization the gould scavenged the naquadah generator from, partially because they were transplanted from earth by the goulds. and that they advanced 10 times more rapidly than earth did thanks to the nanites (yes numbers in this case is supported by the show).

They probably used asgard tech seeing that they probably would not run a naquadah generator, constantly at a controled overload for 500 years. They probably found a way to make the efficiency increase.

[Mister Oragahn]

They aren't as powerful as ZPM's...

ZPMs are superior to almost all other power sources in SG and in fact sci fi in general. The Mark 12 could power the shield for a few hundred years without maintaining any other systems. With a ZPM the shield can last almost indefinitely without strain being placed on the shield. It lasts over 3000 years under the pressure of the ocean.

And it only did so from ZPMs which were likely all safe fresh.
Atlantis was under siege by the Wraith at that time.

Now the Mark 12 is obviously impressive, but saying its as powerful as a ZPM is a serious exaggeration. This is also a generator from 25 years into the future with more than likely a great deal of Asgard technology.

Possibly, yes, though I would have suspected the humans to use something else than naqahdah. Of course, that would mean the Asgards found something more powerful than naqahdah since a while, so maybe the Asgards still use naqahdah as well, but then it has ramifications about the presence of naqahdah in other galaxies, including Ida.

[pbutter]

How can you use Asgard technology to enhance Naquada reactors ?
The Asgard never used Naquada reactors, how can they even know how to improve the reactor design... Granted, that they are very smart, but, there arent any Asgard left, and their power core contains all their history and technology that they had built.

Besides, Its like apples and oranges, the Asgard power generators are simply not compatible with Naquada reactors, its just not the same technology. Also, we can't assume that human's are too dumb to improve Naquada reactors themselves.

And the Goauld have never been shown using Naquad reactors.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

How can you use Asgard technology to enhance Naquada reactors ?
The Asgard never used Naquada reactors, how can they even know how to improve the reactor design... Granted, that they are very smart, but, there arent any Asgard left, and their power core contains all their history and technology that they had built.

Because naquadah is an element and would be constant regardless of galaxy. Just as our galaxy has carbon so does the Asgard home galaxy. Like uranium is fissile so is naquadah, and nuclear power is a stepping stone in technological evolution so is it unreasonable that they looked into asgard technological history to guide them in making more efficient reactors?

Besides, Its like apples and oranges, the Asgard power generators are simply not compatible with Naquada reactors, its just not the same technology. Also, we can't assume that human's are too dumb to improve Naquada reactors themselves.

It also is not reasonable to assume we can achieve what no other race could, all within 25 years with no help. The gould had thousands of years to work with naquadah and make it more powerful but they couldnt. Im not saying we are too dumb to improve the generator, its just that 25 years is not enough time to reach a level of tech (on our own) that can make a naquadah generator so efficient that it can power a shield that previously only a ZPM could power for extended periods of time.

And the Goauld have never been shown using Naquad reactors.

Yes they have, in Into The Fire, the forcefield was powered by a large naquadah reactor. In Upgrades they destroyed cooling pipes of Apophis's new Hatak that were meant to cool the naquadah generator. Why would the gould need weapons grade naquadah if they didnt use naquadah as a power source, they made bombs but never that much.

[pbutter]

Because naquadah is an element and would be constant regardless of galaxy. Just as our galaxy has carbon so does the Asgard home galaxy. Like uranium is fissile so is naquadah, and nuclear power is a stepping stone in technological evolution so is it unreasonable that they looked into asgard technological history to guide them in making more efficient reactors?
Earth was already successful in upgrading their Naquada reactors on their own once, and they did it again. Why would they now need Asgard assistance ?
Or are you now saying that the Asgard helped earth the first time as well..?

It also is not reasonable to assume we can achieve what no other race could, all within 25 years with no help. The gould had thousands of years to work with naquadah and make it more powerful but they couldnt. Im not saying we are too dumb to improve the generator, its just that 25 years is not enough time to reach a level of tech (on our own) that can make a naquadah generator so efficient that it can power a shield that previously only a ZPM could power for extended periods of time.
25 years ago computers were so large it took up an entire room, so 25 years is a very long time. And you do realize that so far, the majority of the technological breakthroughs have been made in the last 200 years. And science is basically, a never-ending quest to acquire knowledge, and the rate of progression increases and time needed for technological advancements substantially decreases each time..

Yes they have, in Into The Fire, the forcefield was powered by a large naquadah reactor. In Upgrades they destroyed cooling pipes of Apophis's new Hatak that were meant to cool the naquadah generator. Why would the gould need weapons grade naquadah if they didnt use naquadah as a power source, they made bombs but never that much.

They use Naquada as a power source, but it's not the same and exact design as the one Earth uses.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

Earth was already successful in upgrading their Naquada reactors on their own once, and they did it again. Why would they now need Asgard assistance ?
Or are you now saying that the Asgard helped earth the first time as well..?

Yes putting in a state of controlled overload, that isnt a huge technological step, its just showing we can run the generator at over the intended safe levels without it blowing up. Hell when a cargo ship like jacob's in tangent goes faster than 100% its probably pushing the generator more than 100%. Increasing efficiency is completely different from controlled overload, it would be making the generator running normally fissioning the same naquadah and lasting just as long but getting much more out of it. just as a tool of comparison the nuclear bomb dropped in world war II operated at .7% efficiency.

25 years ago computers were so large it took up an entire room, so 25 years is a very long time. And you do realize that so far, the majority of the technological breakthroughs have been made in the last 200 years. And science is basically, a never-ending quest to acquire knowledge, and the rate of progression increases and time needed for technological advancements substantially decreases each time..

yet the gould were space fairing 8,000 years ago and they havent gotten that much power out of naquadah, you are implying we can do what they couldnt when they had 7975 years more than us, and we had no help. that we advance 320 times faster than the gould without any help. And since the orbanians advance 10 times faster than us they were capable of making these generators by the middle of season 5, and they advance 3200 times faster than the gould?

They use Naquada as a power source, but it's not the same and exact design as the one Earth uses.

How else are you going to get energy out of naquadah other than fission? Are you going to use its gravitational force to generate energy? or how about its half life? and design, our design isnt the same as the Orbanian but the function is the same.

[pbutter]

Yes putting in a state of controlled overload, that isnt a huge technological step, its just showing we can run the generator at over the intended safe levels without it blowing up. Hell when a cargo ship like jacob's in tangent goes faster than 100% its probably pushing the generator more than 100%. Increasing efficiency is completely different from controlled overload, it would be making the generator running normally fissioning the same naquadah and lasting just as long but getting much more out of it. just as a tool of comparison the nuclear bomb dropped in world war II operated at .7% efficiency.
Hogwash
Not a huge technological step ?..
Do you have any idea how complex nuclear fission actually is ?
I seriously doubt that you do.

yet the gould were space fairing 8,000 years ago and they havent gotten that much power out of naquadah, you are implying we can do what they couldnt when they had 7975 years more than us, and we had no help. that we advance 320 times faster than the gould without any help. And since the orbanians advance 10 times faster than us they were capable of making these generators by the middle of season 5, and they advance 3200 times faster than the gould?
They are not human's. Just because one species cannot achieve the goal objective in a given amount of time does not mean it's unachievable by others.


How else are you going to get energy out of naquadah other than fission? Are you going to use its gravitational force to generate energy? or how about its half life? and design, our design isnt the same as the Orbanian but the function is the same.

The Goauld Naquada reactors take up an entire room, our's is less than one tenth that size and design is the same as the Orbanian.
How can you generate energy from the half life of the mineral ?
Do you even know what that means ?

[2ndgenerationalteran]

Hogwash
Not a huge technological step ?..
Do you have any idea how complex nuclear fission actually is ?
I seriously doubt that you do.

I may not know completely how complex it is but i know when going on overload the generator dies within hours to days, this generator lasted 500 years. Its not over load, its increased efficiency.

They are not human's. Just because one species cannot achieve the goal objective in a given amount of time does not mean it's unachievable by others.

true but saying that they cant do that when they already have some momentum in creating space craft and interstellar travel and within their 8,000+ years they could not make what we made in 25 years is unreasonable.

The Goauld Naquada reactors take up an entire room, our's is less than one tenth that size and design is the same as the Orbanian.
How can you generate energy from the half life of the mineral ?
Do you even know what that means ?

Yes i do, i just put that out with the other impossibilities such as using the gravitational force of maybe at most a kilo of naquadah as power. well how else are you going to get power out naquadah other than fission?

[Heaven]

hmm

McKay said there's not enough power to gate to Earth
something that would have been fairly easy if they had ZPM
even jack's jury-rigged naquadah generator could do it

[pbutter]

I may not know completely how complex it is but i know when going on overload the generator dies within hours to days, this generator lasted 500 years. Its not over load, its increased efficiency.
And Your point is ?

true but saying that they cant do that when they already have some momentum in creating space craft and interstellar travel and within their 8,000+ years they could not make what we made in 25 years is unreasonable.
Maybe they couldn't do it because they don't work together towards a common goal like human's on Earth do, or maybe because their numbers are too small, and it is also very possible that they are slow learners. And, do we even know that the Goauld do not have power sources such as the Mark 12.


Yes i do, i just put that out with the other impossibilities such as using the gravitational force of maybe at most a kilo of naquadah as power. well how else are you going to get power out naquadah other than fission?

Fission is the splitting of an atom, and maybe the methods applied to achieve fission vary between Goauld and Tauri reactors. And from your point of view, Earth cannot do anything that the Goauld or Ancients failed to accomplish, then if i may ask, what is your point of watching this show ?
Obviously if the Ancients cannot defeat the Wraith and lost, then surely we will fail as well, why even try ?

[Maedhros_Sea]

Just a couple thoughts.

Thor made a recording for Jack that said how his ship was powered, and the reacters were huge. It wasn't Naquadah, so maybe something better. They would have known about Naquadah, and used somthing else anyway.

Since we never actually saw the Mk12 how do we know it wasn't just really big? No doubt we improved its effeciency and design. But it might just have been very large, with a greater reserve of fuel.

If Earth stopped building 304s the reacter from one of those might provide enough power to Atlantis to give some minimal power to the shields.

Also, as was said, powering the shields under low stress situations and while under fire or pressure from millions of tons of ocean are very different.