I cannot be the only one who is getting annoyed by people constantly saying that the Aurora class vessels are crap because of what they saw in Be All My Sins Remembered. Based on one battle i do not think its fair to say that all Auroras suck. I agree they did not have ZPMs plugged in, but thats not the point. They exceeded our expectations of the Aurora class based on what we have seen already.
The Asuran fleet was evenly placed in orbit when the battle began, we attacked less than half the fleet because our attack was not evenly spaced out throughout the entire orbit of Asuras, logically why would we do that considering that they are the larger force they wouldn't run but convene on our location and annihilate us. The allied fleet struck a portion of at most 1/3 the orbiting fleet. Of course some joined after but many were not able to engage in battle. Our shock and awe attack took out one of the 5 Auroras killed in total, many of the auroras took damage before shields were raised and consequentially many probably were not operating at 100% after the initial attack. of the 10 ships 9 remained to fight against the allied fleet of about 15 ships, already they are out numbered and caught off guard. 2 Aurora kills were in the background so no explanation can be given but for the remaining two kills can be. The first kill was by a 304 which swooped in taking fire for the hive and shooting at an unshielded Aurora, the second was by sheppard who was firing on an Aurora that was running away, the only reason the Aurora would run would be because it's shields had failed and they would no longer be safe in battle. we know ancient shields stop drones and we saw the Traveler's Aurora (TA) fire a salvo which some were intercepted (by drones, which may i remind you doing so would be nearly impossibly hard) and the others struck the fleeing ship.
There was only one confirmed kill made by the Asuran fleet and that would be the traveler ship, but in the background of the same scene Shep killed the fleeing Aurora you can see a Aurora fire a salvo into a hive which starts exploding (assume kill 2). The scene in the beginning where there is a hive taking a tremendous pounding and starts having explosions we may be able to assume a possible third kill. The scene following of Todd with his "hull regeneration" line is actually ambiguous because we dont know if the hive in the previous scene was his. In the end the Allied fleet was on its knees, the hives were badly damaged, the traveler's ships were damaged, the 304s were brought to their knees trading offense for defense by rerouting power to weapons and put it on shields. Yes their kill count was far lower than what we expected but still they were out numbered and believed they were holding the line, not engaging in a battle that would result in the survival of their kind.
The explanation of why no drones came from the surface would be that there would have been a brief moment of shock for the Asurans both in orbit and on the planet. at most i give about 25 seconds of hectic shock then they compose them selves. Within a very short time period Mckay beams in and takes over the city's ZPMs meaning if he sees defenses coming on line he can shut them down.
4 losses in 3 minutes when out numbered and recovering from a surprise attack is definitely not far more than we could have expected from the Auroras. i dont see why people say "Aw, now the auroras are the crappiest of all stargate ships" when they went down in a reasonable number. Even before the episode aired if you said the number of Asuran Auroras actually fighting and the quantity and type of each ship they were fighting the expected losses of the Auroras would most definitely be around 3-5. Even people who expected more losses because the upgraded 304s come into the picture dont commend the Auroras for doing well even though their expectation of the ship were exceeded.
Pat two: 304s Did Poorly.
The 304s in battle did seemingly horribly against the Auroras. The only kill made was to a damaged Aurora that had depleted shields. Even in the individual kills made before that the Asuran ship was taken out when they had no shields active. Fact is that we have never seen a 304 and Aurora fight a fair battle. I'm not saying it won't do well and its weapons are ineffective but just how the battle of Asuras played out it would imply that the 304s were having difficulty dealing with Auroras that were battle ready. If they were Super Powerful there should have been more kills, other than just one we saw. Even if the other two kills were made by the 304s that doesnt sound very impressive anymore with one kill per minute.
The Asuran fleet was evenly placed in orbit when the battle began, we attacked less than half the fleet because our attack was not evenly spaced out throughout the entire orbit of Asuras, logically why would we do that considering that they are the larger force they wouldn't run but convene on our location and annihilate us. The allied fleet struck a portion of at most 1/3 the orbiting fleet. Of course some joined after but many were not able to engage in battle. Our shock and awe attack took out one of the 5 Auroras killed in total, many of the auroras took damage before shields were raised and consequentially many probably were not operating at 100% after the initial attack. of the 10 ships 9 remained to fight against the allied fleet of about 15 ships, already they are out numbered and caught off guard. 2 Aurora kills were in the background so no explanation can be given but for the remaining two kills can be. The first kill was by a 304 which swooped in taking fire for the hive and shooting at an unshielded Aurora, the second was by sheppard who was firing on an Aurora that was running away, the only reason the Aurora would run would be because it's shields had failed and they would no longer be safe in battle. we know ancient shields stop drones and we saw the Traveler's Aurora (TA) fire a salvo which some were intercepted (by drones, which may i remind you doing so would be nearly impossibly hard) and the others struck the fleeing ship.
There was only one confirmed kill made by the Asuran fleet and that would be the traveler ship, but in the background of the same scene Shep killed the fleeing Aurora you can see a Aurora fire a salvo into a hive which starts exploding (assume kill 2). The scene in the beginning where there is a hive taking a tremendous pounding and starts having explosions we may be able to assume a possible third kill. The scene following of Todd with his "hull regeneration" line is actually ambiguous because we dont know if the hive in the previous scene was his. In the end the Allied fleet was on its knees, the hives were badly damaged, the traveler's ships were damaged, the 304s were brought to their knees trading offense for defense by rerouting power to weapons and put it on shields. Yes their kill count was far lower than what we expected but still they were out numbered and believed they were holding the line, not engaging in a battle that would result in the survival of their kind.
The explanation of why no drones came from the surface would be that there would have been a brief moment of shock for the Asurans both in orbit and on the planet. at most i give about 25 seconds of hectic shock then they compose them selves. Within a very short time period Mckay beams in and takes over the city's ZPMs meaning if he sees defenses coming on line he can shut them down.
4 losses in 3 minutes when out numbered and recovering from a surprise attack is definitely not far more than we could have expected from the Auroras. i dont see why people say "Aw, now the auroras are the crappiest of all stargate ships" when they went down in a reasonable number. Even before the episode aired if you said the number of Asuran Auroras actually fighting and the quantity and type of each ship they were fighting the expected losses of the Auroras would most definitely be around 3-5. Even people who expected more losses because the upgraded 304s come into the picture dont commend the Auroras for doing well even though their expectation of the ship were exceeded.
Pat two: 304s Did Poorly.
The 304s in battle did seemingly horribly against the Auroras. The only kill made was to a damaged Aurora that had depleted shields. Even in the individual kills made before that the Asuran ship was taken out when they had no shields active. Fact is that we have never seen a 304 and Aurora fight a fair battle. I'm not saying it won't do well and its weapons are ineffective but just how the battle of Asuras played out it would imply that the 304s were having difficulty dealing with Auroras that were battle ready. If they were Super Powerful there should have been more kills, other than just one we saw. Even if the other two kills were made by the 304s that doesnt sound very impressive anymore with one kill per minute.
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