(Lifeline spoilers) Apollo VS Asurans Ship what the heck???

[kirmit]

They were not drones. They were energy weapons.

See even if they aren't drones they aren't energy weapons either based on the way they exploded on the Apollo's shields, they must be some other type of projectile.

[wise one]

well maybe it's a different ship comapred to the aurora class, different type of weapon, maybe ones that disable ships or less powerful versions of energy weapons.


since the jumper was carrying a zpm, maybe the asurans wanted to disable the jumper and when the apollo came, they had to defend their ship quickly and fired at the apollo instead...

and the asurans havent encounted a earth ship before so they wouldnt know what to expect.

[Lord batchi ball]

I agree. This pic quite clearly shows they're rnot drones. Case closed.

Case closed for you that they are not drones but IMHO they are drones.

Right before the appalo jumped into hyperspace the drones that were fired changed direction light can't do that.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

Case closed for you that they are not drones but IMHO they are drones.

Right before the appalo jumped into hyperspace the drones that were fired changed direction light can't do that.

They did not change direction. Also, they were too big to be drones.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

See even if they aren't drones they aren't energy weapons either based on the way they exploded on the Apollo's shields, they must be some other type of projectile.

They might be some other form of projectile, but more likely a different form of energy. But they definitely are not drones.

[Lord batchi ball]

They did not change direction. Also, they were too big to be drones.

Pics did'nt come through but.....

I remember them coming up along the side a then turning about 5 degrees or so and slaming into the shield, and to big? maybe they have the bigy size.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

I would have to agree that those were not drones but energy blasts, the bolts continued on a straight path trajectory and did not seek out the target.

[kirmit]

They might be some other form of projectile, but more likely a different form of energy. But they definitely are not drones.

Sorry but no, they aren't energy weapons either. No type of energy weapon would explode on impact with a shield, it would disperse, there's nothing in it to explode. This only leaves the option of some other type of projectile so far unseen.

[Mister Oragahn]

Sorry but no, they aren't energy weapons either. No type of energy weapon would explode on impact with a shield, it would disperse, there's nothing in it to explode. This only leaves the option of some other type of projectile so far unseen.

All depends on how shields work. If they manage to emulate a solid shell to some extent, then things would smash upon them.

Considering that we don't know what the projectile is made of, that in the end it explodes is just another element that is likely as well for an energy weapon.

[IcyNeko]

The Asuran ship was using drones.

There is no cited evidence for this. Your statement is invalid.

Elongated weapons fire, same color as the drones. Only drones are shown as elongated in the SG universe.

Energy weapons shoot elongated beams. Your assertion is invalid yet again.

[QUOTEThe Apollo has Asgard shields, which could have been upgraded with McKay or Asgard upgrads (Odyssey like). Even without the upgrades (Asgard or McKay), Asgard shields are only second to the Ori. With either upgrades, Asgard shields should be easily be on par with the Ori. [/QUOTE]
Yet the apollo was almost destroyed when it was hit by the asuran energy weapon, which seems to indicate that they aren't as powerful as you make them seem. Your argument is invalid.

Lastly, the Ori ship in the alternate universe was only driven off by drones (it took everything they had, including depleting a ZPM). Thus not all shield tech is bypassed by drones.

They did not have the mastery to use the drones as they never did state who fired the drones at that point. Jack fired it in the regular reality after he interfaced with the ancient device. There is not reference that Jack ever did that in AU. For all anyone knows, the drone pilot could have veered off course last minute. Or the Ori armor could have withstood a direct attack, but was heavily damaged. Point being, there isn't enough evidence to extrapolate a concrete point. Argument invalid.

So to summarize your post, you're invalid. Your argument is invalid. Here's a box of tissues to cry it all over with.

[kirmit]

All depends on how shields work. If they manage to emulate a solid shell to some extent, then things would smash upon them.

Considering that we don't know what the projectile is made of, that in the end it explodes is just another element that is likely as well for an energy weapon.

But energy weapons aren't like missiles, they don't have elements that would explode on impact because well they're just energy. Think of it like this, the energy weapon is like a brick hitting a wall, when it hits (with enough force) it will smash or crumble/disperse, there would be no explosion because the brick has nothing explosive in it. Now if a missile hit a wall there would be an explosion because missiles have elements in them that will explode on the impact. Energy weapons are basically just like a solid object hitting another object, we see explosions when energy weapons hit ships but that is coming from the ship, not the actual energy blast. It's really more likely it was some kind of projectile than an energy blast.

They did not have the mastery to use the drones as they never did state who fired the drones at that point. Jack fired it in the regular reality after he interfaced with the ancient device. There is not reference that Jack ever did that in AU. For all anyone knows, the drone pilot could have veered off course last minute. Or the Ori armor could have withstood a direct attack, but was heavily damaged. Point being, there isn't enough evidence to extrapolate a concrete point. Argument invalid.

So you're basically saying that who's controllling the drones depends whether or not they pass through shields? I don't think so, nothing thus far has supported this, sorry if I've misinterpretted you but that's what it sounds like you're saying. They said in the episode they used up all their drones fending off the Ori ship, fended off implies the Ori ship turned tail and ran, so all of the drones they had wouldn't be enough to cripple an Ori ship to the point they couldn't escape if it passed right through their shields? It's far more likely the drones didn't simply pass through the shields, they bombarded the shields having an affect on them, the Ori ship got scared seeing a weapon actually working against their shields and ran.

[Jimbo-DR]

I'm not taking the time to read the entire thread, but I need to say this:
The Asuran ship DID NOT use drones. If those really looked like drones to you then I have a fist sized brown ZPM i'd like to sell you. Don't worry about the smell, it's inherent to those things.
Seriously though, they didn't look remotely like drones, I don't understand how you could confuse the two.

[Mister Oragahn]

But energy weapons aren't like missiles, they don't have elements that would explode on impact because well they're just energy. Think of it like this, the energy weapon is like a brick hitting a wall, when it hits (with enough force) it will smash or crumble/disperse, there would be no explosion because the brick has nothing explosive in it. Now if a missile hit a wall there would be an explosion because missiles have elements in them that will explode on the impact. Energy weapons are basically just like a solid object hitting another object, we see explosions when energy weapons hit ships but that is coming from the ship, not the actual energy blast. It's really more likely it was some kind of projectile than an energy blast.

"Energy weapon" is nothing more than a layman term when it comes to Stargate. The projectiles fired by these weapons are exotic, and gravitational or electromagnetic fields that contain energized matter.

[Antaeogo]

> But energy weapons aren't like missiles, they don't have elements that
> would explode on impact because well they're just energy.

Season 5 opener "Enemies" - When the mystery replicator ship and Apothis' ship were exchanging fire, the replicator ship would shoot it's beam weapon at the goa'uld energy bolts and they would explode in a fireball, like a solid object.

[kirmit]

> But energy weapons aren't like missiles, they don't have elements that
> would explode on impact because well they're just energy.

Season 5 opener "Enemies" - When the mystery replicator ship and Apothis' ship were exchanging fire, the replicator ship would shoot it's beam weapon at the goa'uld energy bolts and they would explode in a fireball, like a solid object.

You're right but really it shouldn't happen, they should've just gone poof lol. That's the only other example of energy hitting energy and exploding....i think, throughout the rest of stargate energy has just dispersed when hitting shields.