Tau'ri Fleet-Why so small?

[Jyral Nadreth]

Apophis vs Heru'ur-Apophis kicked his rightous ass

[JoNzA]

Apophis vs Heru'ur-Apophis kicked his rightous ass

when was that?

[Jyral Nadreth]

Season 4 episode 14 The Serpent's Venom. J Carter and the Tok'ra wanted to start a war between Apophis and Heru'ur but Apophis shocked them with a fleet of cloaked Ha'Taks-killed Heru'ur and took his armies

[JoNzA]

ok but that was ha´tak vs ha´tak.
I am not saying that a ha´tak would not be usefull but the shilds of our one ships are supperior to those on a ha´tak

[Tain]

Ok, so if Earth buys all these new ships, who is going to crew them? Ships like those require crews, big crews. Where are these people going to come from? The SGC is still secret, there is no vast reserve of people with the training necessary to pull it off. Even if the gate went public it would take years to train the people necessary, the number of ships Earth has currently is a huge stretch as it is.

[Heaven]

yep. we don't need more ships, we need better ships.

[Zatnikitelman]

I don't see why a large crew is needed for a Ha'tak. Most of the Jaffa crews we've seen under the Goa'uld were there for battle. A crew consisting of probably no more than O'neill, Teal'c and Carter could easily work the ha'tak: Carter keepin the hyperdrive in check, Teal'c flyin, and O'neill wise cracking. You might want a few more crew to monitor stuff, But from what we've seen Ha'taks aren't the most complicated ship flyin across the galaxy as mostly the personnel on board consist of a snake head, a pilot, the troops and maybe a scientist.
The reason our ships need so much crew is that they're experimental and that they're a bit more complex. I agree that we could use some more ships, not neccessarily Ha'taks, but possibly a couple of Alkesh and some Cargo Ships even though it seems we can get our hands on a cargo ship whenever we need one.

[freyr's mother]

The reason our fleet is so small is because it takes a lot of time to build the ships. Just look at how long it takes to build a Nimitz Class aircraft carrier. 7 years man. Not to mention that you have to train a crew on top of that as well as build the 302's that go with it and train pilots for that as well.

[Blackwater]

If you want a real fleet, you'll have to declassify SGC and organize our allies on Earth to put our economies on a wartime footing like we did in World War Two. In the time period from the end of 1941 to mid-1945 we built a fleet of aircraft carriers, battleships, heavy and light cruisers, destroyers, destroyer escorts, transports and auxiliary vessels like the world had never seen before. That ignores the thousands of tanks, artillery, and aircraft we equipped our forces and those of our allies, too.

Crews can be pulled from the militaries of the world using the crews of the ships we already have as cadre while the rest train up. We did it in World War Two, and we could do it again.

A problem will be providing enough power sources for a large fleet. Either we figure out how to build our own ZPMs, or exploit any and every source of nuclear power, naquadah or naquadria (sp?), to power a lot of ships.

The big question is: What then? What are you going to do with them?

Blackwater

[Blackwater]

The reason our fleet is so small is because it takes a lot of time to build the ships. Just look at how long it takes to build a Nimitz Class aircraft carrier. 7 years man. Not to mention that you have to train a crew on top of that as well as build the 302's that go with it and train pilots for that as well.

We could build a Nimitz-Class carrier in two years or less if we ignored the cost. As for the F302's, B-24's rolled off the assembly line every 56 minutes from the Ford Willow Run plant. The low rate production we see these days is the result of budget restrictions and the lack of a credible threat to our freedom and very existence.

Blackwater

[freyr's mother]

We could build a Nimitz-Class carrier in two years or less if we ignored the cost. As for the F302's, B-24's rolled off the assembly line every 56 minutes from the Ford Willow Run plant. The low rate production we see these days is the result of budget restrictions and the lack of a credible threat to our freedom and very existence.

Blackwater

And B-24's were built with inferior technology to what we would be using to build this fleet. Let me put it this way, how often does an F-22 come off the assembly line? We only ordered like 344 of them.

[Lord batchi ball]

The reason why Earth did not get more ha'taks is because they make us a formidle enemy and they are like giant targets they would have to defend against hundreds of Ha'taks as seen in Reckoning part one and two.

I like the Idea of using Alkesh more manuvreible and just as effective

And the stargate program costs only 7 billion a year also for Promethius

[2ndgenerationalteran]

We started the stargate project 10 years ago, and we saw our first alien hybrid fighter 4 years later. In most peoples terms that is good time even if the project was for the most part a failure. Two years after the 301 we made the 302, entirely earth built. That is remarkably fast, and at the same time we were constructing the Prometheus. To build (not modify another ship) a vessel larger than a Air craft carrier in less than 6 years is staggering. The 304 was finished 2 years later, for both projects you can assume all the best enginneers and scientist were working around the clock. We have done extremely well. In those 4 years we built the Prometheus, Daedalus, Odyssey, Korolev, Apollo, and countless 302s. if they all survived you could consider it a fleet. But regardless it is not reasonable to expect a fleet of ships in 4 years, as FM said it takes 7 years to build a carrier, we came up with plans for 3 separate ships and built them 35 times faster than it would take to make a fleet of Air craft carriers in the same number porportions.

[Lord batchi ball]

The Russians suck at building things let alone a interglatic space craft even if they have(stole) the plans.

[Blackwater]

And B-24's were built with inferior technology to what we would be using to build this fleet. Let me put it this way, how often does an F-22 come off the assembly line? We only ordered like 344 of them.

Yes, we have much superior technology now to what we used during World War Two. You missed the point. Using today's automated manufacturing technology we could match or even exceed that production rate for vastly superior air/space craft. F-22's are in low rate production for financial reasons. We only ordered 344 or so of them for the same financial reasons AND because the F-15/F-16 mix we have now is still a credible force.

Blackwater