Tank V.S Staff Weapons

[Buba uognarf]

If the Ha'taks and Alkesh are in position to dig trenches why not just use them to carpet bomb the tanks...

But to answer the question of how effective staff weapons would be not very at all boarding useless. Look at 'Moebius' atleast a dozen jaffa pounded that Puddle Jumper for several minutes and failed to cause substanial hull damage.

[Davesg-43]

eah and in sga the pudle jumper got shot down by explosives made by prisoners,but a staff weapon could break the glass in the front soo i think a tank can take on a staff weapon

[VSHARMA]

I think the reason you don't see tanks in Stargate is because it is mainly about Air Force personnel.

They had a Tank in the Airforce in the Simpons. They crashed into something and a guy come out of the tank and said 'sorry, we don't normally drive these in the airforce'!!!!!
Well Funny

[Davesg-43]

lol i remember that episode

[Gen. Nuke]

THe .50 and .30 cal of the tank will take out the gliders and the main cannon can take out the low flying alkesh..

I wondered what will happen to Anubis' Alkesh and Gliders if thre is an Armored Battalion is Defending Abydos in "Full Circle".

An abrams tank is reported to have survived seven 125mm rould shot in its front armour. They Could tanke down the Alkesh, because tanks can accurately fire its main weapon at 500 yard that is about 450 meters greater than the Alkesh energy Bombs.

Glider cannons has firepower less than a 40 mm grenade launcher as we seen in several episodes like the one when it was attacking dr. daniel jackson and general carter. That the blast from these cannon only about 2 meters away from them did not even throw them.

The one used to punch a hole to the SGC's blast door was an Al'kesh cannon. It would require several shots to punch a hole to the blast door...Where the blast door on SGC can be easilly penetrated by tank cannon round. And the same cannon round would not destroy another tank in a single shot.

[Davesg-43]

well if you send in an M2A3 Bradly with stingers you can take out air/ground targets

[First]

An infantry staff weapon would do very little against an Abrams. Even light armoured vehicles like APC's would stand up to them. Multiple hits would eventually heat up the insides, but for a heavy armoured tank that would take many, many hits. I even doubt a hand held staff cannon (glider cannon) would penetrate an MBT's main armour, but would damage more vulnerable points like tracks. A staff cannon would work against lightly armoured vehicles. A precision hit to an alkesh took it down with one.
Any weapon could damage exposed components like top mounted machine guns, antennas etc.

An Abrams main gun is accurate against large targets like vehicles or bunkers up to 3km.

Earth tactics often use tanks and infantry together, particularly in urban areas where tanks are more vulnerable. If coordinated correctly, multiple tanks are spaced wide with infantry in between. The jaffa infantry shouldn't be able to get close to a tank.

If the jaffa were smart, when they see a tank coming towards them they should call for alkesh or hatak support. Tanks would be a nice target for a hatak.

[Ehecatl]

Staff Weapons dont even penetrate in the standard ceramic plates on body armour that was used by infantry.

Staff cannons takes a death glider by 1 or 2 shots, a 37 mm single grenade launcher down a death glider.

Tanks are only effective against a Landed Ships..We can use Humvee that has more anti-infantry role that can withstand RPG-7s that is waaay more powerful than the Staff Cannon that gliders used.

A weapon that can penetrate a tank can vaporize a troop.

Ceramic plates are tougher than steel. Ceramic plating is used on the NASA shuttles undersides, because it is the toughest material and it can withstand the hot temperatures of reentry. Also the US military does use ceramic plated body armor in reality; ceramic tiles are more durable, lighter and tougher than steel.

Staff weapons could easily destroy tanks. The Staff weapons use plasma energy which can melt just about anything. The old body armor would fry the wearer when shot by a staff weapon because it was made of Kevlar. Ceramic tiles however are created in almost the same temperatures that the plasma of the staffs give off. Once the tiles cool they can't be melted again (info from History channel).

Staff plasma melting steel can best be shown in the episode Point of View. In this episode the SGC has been over run by Apophis and his Jaffa breach the levels by firing their mounted staff cannons and staffs at the blast doors. After about three shots from the staff cannons there is a big enough hole in the door for people to walk through.

Also RPGs are less powerful than staff blasts. Sure RPGs make big booms, but when one is fired it does not shoot straight( it must be arced), unlike a plasma bolt. The RPG shot that took down the glider was a very lucky shot and not very plausible. RPGs are more powerful than a carried staff like the ones Jaffa use, but staff cannons are the one seen on mounts, gliders and Al'kesh.

Further more the staffs have nearly unlimited ammo and a faster rate of fire. I think staff weapons are more powerful.

[IcyNeko]

Ceramics aren't invulnerable to everything. It may dissipate heat well, but it's usually weak against impact weapons.

As we've seen in the recent Space shuttle tragedies, ceramic is very succeptible to projectile damage.

[Davesg-43]

Ceramic plates are tougher than steel. Ceramic plating is used on the NASA shuttles undersides, because it is the toughest material and it can withstand the hot temperatures of reentry. Also the US military does use ceramic plated body armor in reality; ceramic tiles are more durable, lighter and tougher than steel.

Staff weapons could easily destroy tanks. The Staff weapons use plasma energy which can melt just about anything. The old body armor would fry the wearer when shot by a staff weapon because it was made of Kevlar. Ceramic tiles however are created in almost the same temperatures that the plasma of the staffs give off. Once the tiles cool they can't be melted again (info from History channel).

Staff plasma melting steel can best be shown in the episode Point of View. In this episode the SGC has been over run by Apophis and his Jaffa breach the levels by firing their mounted staff cannons and staffs at the blast doors. After about three shots from the staff cannons there is a big enough hole in the door for people to walk through.

Also RPGs are less powerful than staff blasts. Sure RPGs make big booms, but when one is fired it does not shoot straight( it must be arced), unlike a plasma bolt. The RPG shot that took down the glider was a very lucky shot and not very plausible. RPGs are more powerful than a carried staff like the ones Jaffa use, but staff cannons are the one seen on mounts, gliders and Al'kesh.

Further more the staffs have nearly unlimited ammo and a faster rate of fire. I think staff weapons are more powerful.

well te blast doors aren't as thick as M1A2 armor and, the M1 has titainium and unknown composites in the armor so it most likely can take the heat of a staffblast

[Womble]

Staff weapons could easily destroy tanks. The Staff weapons use plasma energy which can melt just about anything.

Tank armor is thick metal, and it cannot be melted instantly. While staff blasts may generate a lot of heat, it is neither enduring nor focused heat, and will dissipate quickly. Also, staff blasts would need to penetrate reactive armor and similar add-ons which protect modern tanks against shaped charge warheads.

Also RPGs are less powerful than staff blasts. Sure RPGs make big booms, but when one is fired it does not shoot straight( it must be arced), unlike a plasma bolt.

It's not the size of the boom, it's the direction. RPGs use shaped charge warheads which focuse all the pressure and the energy of the blast in a single point, thus achieving much deeper penetration. Also, modern RPG projectiles are tandem warheads which produce a double blast.

[Ehecatl]

Ceramics aren't invulnerable to everything. It may dissipate heat well, but it's usually weak against impact weapons.

As we've seen in the recent Space shuttle tragedies, ceramic is very succeptible to projectile damage.

Yes, but in the cases of plasma based weapons they work better than being cooked in Kevlar armor.

Plus earth hasn't even used one tank in battle yet against the Ori, Wraith or Goa'uld. When a tank is used let us see how it fairs then. (Tanks are to big for the gate anyway.)

[Master_Templar]

Ok, here is a thought. It is excepted here that a single shell from an Abrham (armour piercing of course, so HEAT or Depleted Uranium) will take down an Al'kesh if it is hit in a weak spot. In the episode where Teal'c is trapped in the Stargate he manages to knock out an Al'kesh with a well placed Staff Cannon shot. So that suggests a similar strength.

Though as suggested, unless you actually beamed tanks into the BC-304's buffer and then beamed them back out onto a planet, you wouldn't be able to have many anywhere. Furthermore, whilst a tank could do immense damage to an Al'kesh or Deathglider, they are both Spaceworthy vechicles. They can choose when and where they fight. The Goa'uld don't mind using the old Meatgrinder, so they can send their Jaffa to be speedhumps whilst bombing the tanks position into the ground as they move. So essentially, unless you cloak them, it'd be a slow process with little chance of sucess against a properly prepared Goa'uld planet, unless of course you had FULL support in all fields (space, air, ground). I'd actually suggest Red Storm Rising as a good example of armoured warfare.

I personally believe against an unprepared Goa'uld base the attack would work wonders, as long as Earth retains the aerial dominance. The Goa'uld if they can bring their resources to that point will just outway us and they'd crush us, hence the Recon theme, not the active battle. As one of the few ground battles we were involved with went badly (see Heroes).

[Ripple in Space]

The staff weapon blasts seem to vary greatly from one episode to another and their current incarnations seem very weak. A large artillery version could probably take out a tank though.

The more recent eps have shown the smaller Sodan Staffs in use. they are smaller, and more easy to wield, but lack the power of the larger model. These are 2 different weapons.

[Davesg-43]

you know what, no mater how many jaffa are out there as long theres no air suport, the tankl will just wipe out the enemy unit, that 120MM cannon will have a wide kill radius