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**Semmer** · 27 May 2007, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by NATIK View Post

... The moon has no ressources worth mining. ...

Actually the Moon has plenty of resources NOT found on Earth. Such as He-3 isotope, which does not occur naturally on earth, or at least there's not much of it here. He3 can be used in nuclear fusion, if I remember correctly.

**NATIK** · 27 May 2007, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Puddle-Jumper View Post

Well to dock ships and have a stargate base also possible a ship yard meaning that they could keep the stargate program hidden far easier

With access to cloaking ships can now leave and enter Earths atmosphere without fear of discovery, even if we put a base there for that, supplies and crew would still have to be transported to the moon.

A shipyard on the moon is about as usefull as a shipyard in space, actually I think I would prefer one in orbit around Earth for several reasons, it is within beam range then, which I doubt the moon is, radio contact is possible, if we build in on the dark side of the moon all coms have to be subspace, radio signals cant pass through the moon and a orbital station is far easier to defend, especially because it can be moved away from incoming objects or enemies, only benefit I can see from a moon base is that it can be buried and thus hidden easier but given Stargate tech available an orbital station can just be cloaked as easily.

Putting a Stargate on the moon isnt possible unless you are willing to disconnect the Earth one and I doubt anyone on Earth would feel safe having the gate outside our planet, if something goes wrong it is far easier to recover the gate if it is on the planet. It is only marginally more dangerous to have gate ops on the planet then on the moon anyways, the Address is the same and such.

Putting up more Alpha, beta, etc sites would be preferable to building bases on the moon, the maintenance is less and it is far from the Earth which makes it valueble for alot of things that you dont want to happen near Earth and as an extra safety if Earth should get attacked.

In short, a moon base is not worth it and in regards to ressources on the moon, fair enough if there is enough that it may be worth building a mining base there, thats cool but I doubt it would be worth putting any military activities in there due to the extreme costs of every square centimeter in such a venture.

**Mister Oragahn** · 27 May 2007, 05:13 PM

Of course, we could also have a sort of Moon Base like in Space 1999. For all the cheesyness this show was, the base actually looked ace.

**TKG** · 27 May 2007, 05:17 PM

ok how about this as a reasonable explanation of why not.

Anyone currently with a decent telescope could pick out a man-made installation on the moon if it's on the surface and of size to dock a 304. You add in the varied observatories across the world plus the ever improving feild of optics and you get a constant and growing threat of being exposed.

btw I do infact own a telescope of moderate power... Ii cant see the lunar lander, but I'm pretty sure I might spot a half-block sized space base as a black dot that didn't match the rest of the terrain.

**rlr149** · 27 May 2007, 05:20 PM

isn't there a treaty or something in RL that prevents govornments from claiming 'property' in space, as in - no country can claim the moon/planet or a piece thereof as its own..............

now to be fair, we know the SGC play fast and loose with rules in general(stargate should technically be egyptian property, as it was found there. and pretty sure they didn't have official permission to remove the 'fountain of youth' box either) but this one they might actually be keeping

shipyards would be cool but i'd prefer it round a 'secret' planet somewhere else, to coin a star trek analogy "don't put all your officers in one shuttlepod"

i say no to a moonbase but if there was one, a set of rings would make getting there a damn site easier

**rlr149** · 27 May 2007, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by TKG View Post

ok how about this as a reasonable explanation of why not.

Anyone currently with a decent telescope could pick out a man-made installation on the moon if it's on the surface and of size to dock a 304. You add in the varied observatories across the world plus the ever improving feild of optics and you get a constant and growing threat of being exposed.

btw I do infact own a telescope of moderate power... Ii cant see the lunar lander, but I'm pretty sure I might spot a half-block sized space base as a black dot that didn't match the rest of the terrain.

i think the budget for a moonbase would allow for a few coats of grey paint

**Jimbo-DR** · 27 May 2007, 06:23 PM

I completely agree with Natik. A moonbase is highly cost ineffective-there is literally nothing to be gained from it. With the speed of Stargate ships they could have a base 10 light years away and be only minutes from Earth, so why bother putting a base only a couple thousand miles away?

**Hermiod** · 27 May 2007, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by TKG View Post

Well for one if it was built ont he surface of the moon it'd have to be mobile...since the dark side of the moon chnages with the postion and orbit of the moon. Secondly it would be the first target of attack for any enemy who came into the sol system. Third I'm not sure the funding would allow it.

Dark side of the moon doesn't change as far as I know. The same side always faces away from the earth no matter what the orientation.

**PG15** · 27 May 2007, 06:47 PM

If "dark" denotes whether it's exposed to sunlight or not, then no, the dark side changes as the moon revolves around the Earth.

Of course, "dark side of the moon" has been groomed by society to mean the side not facing us, so yeah, if it's in that context it will always be the same.

**Tanith** · 28 May 2007, 02:15 AM

They are probably leaving the moon alone so that NASA can send missions there and keep up the act that that is the only space program in the US. Same thing is true for space stations, the ISS is not built with any technology the SGC has obtained so that people on the ground don't get suspicious.

**Mister Oragahn** · 28 May 2007, 04:21 AM

They can build an orbital station behind the moon. Not on the surface. This way, we'll never see it with ordinary telescopes, and all data transmitted from probse will be filtered due to an international secret treaty about the SGC and the stargates.

**Heaven** · 28 May 2007, 04:52 AM

it's a waste of money and resources.
it's a lot easier to dismiss a UFO seen on Earth as a hoax than one found in space.

**Mister Oragahn** · 28 May 2007, 06:57 AM

I don't think protecting earth is a waste of money.
Having teh stargate on Earth has been like having a backdoor working as a trojan horse for so many times. We've cut a lot of that crap thanks to the iris, but at several times it could have been problematic, even with the iris.
Sokar busting the iris. Anubis using the ancient gatebuster. Replicators coming through. Chain Reaction, but thanks, the gate closed after 38 minutes.
Plus all those alien lifeforms invading the SGC at some point. Sheesh.

At least, Kinsey was right on one point. The Stargate has also brought us a load of trouble. It was a pandora box.

**apollo22** · 28 May 2007, 08:00 AM

this interestingly haas some truth in the real world. i was reading on a nasa website that they are actually wanting to have a moon base built on the moon by 2024 or somewhere around there. that is why they are interested in going back there. they are redesigning the apollo style spacecraft so that they launch the fuel into space and then they launch the people in a seperate vehicle and then link up. i read that reason it takes so long to get to mars is because they have to coast most of the way there because they use almost all of there fuel on takeoff. this way they have a full supply of fuel in space ready to go and then they could get there faster. i am guessing that the moon base could be used to refuel because i think that one of the reasons for it would be kind of like a stepping stone to furthur out in our solar system. they also said it might be like the iss and be staffed by many countries and probably built by them like the iss is. one of my thoughts is they should strap some rockets to the iss and retrofit it with descent pods and shoot the whole thing to mars. that way they have more room to do stuff and excercise. if they could figure out how to create artificial gravity, then the astronauts wouldnt be weak when they got there.

**NATIK** · 28 May 2007, 01:21 PM