BC-304 vs. Imperial Star Destroyer

[fugiman]

Here is a good pic of the BC-304



If you can't see pic here is link

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/3...choes0489.html

[TKG]

thats a bit more liek the art I meant, you get a clear veiw of the foreward missile doors, all 16 of them that is.

[Jimbo-DR]

Those are both screen shots, one if from Atlantis with the Arcturus project and the other is just stock footage of the 304 in orbit around a planet.

[Mister Oragahn]

oh good lord! edont tell me we're back on this non-thread related topic again...

Yes, we are.

That said, the point still resolves around what an ISD can fire, which extremely relevant to our subject at hand.
We never pretended this could be settled in ten pages.
You got to realize that after thousands of debates and god knows how many essays and pages, versus debaters still largely disagree on what ISDs can do, so wishing this could be settled in a short time is a bit wishful.

[TKG]

it'd be nice if somethign like that could be debated without personal interest int he outcome were not such a problem.

[Mister Oragahn]

it'd be nice if somethign like that could be debated without personal interest int he outcome were not such a problem.

You mean?

[TKG]

well I've noticed that alot of conversations that pit popular media vs popular media end up being diluted by the number of folks who can't seem to put personal interest out of the equation. they deep down want their preference to win and in some cases continually regurgitate strange reasons on why that could happen even if the reasons become less and less credible.

besides in the end the prometheus vs an ISD I'd say would be in therms of armament and protection a draw. Of course the tactics used by the respective commanders would be what would make one a loser and one a winner.

[Phantom6]

Let's look at it in terms of SIZE alone.




That's a scale reference of the Daedalus class in comparison to a Hive Ship.



Now, A Hive ship should be able to carry at LEAST as many personnel as an ISD.



The Daedalus MIGHT have the advantage with it's beaming tech, IF it can pierce the ISD's shields.

But, since ISD's (All SW tech really) has to drop their shields to fire that will give the Daedalus a window, but if they can't place the nuke in the right place in that tiny amount of time then all they'll do is some damage.

[TKG]

But, since ISD's (All SW tech really) has to drop their shields to fire that will

I wasn't aware they had to drop sheilds to fire, are you sure thats a fact?

[Jimbo-DR]

I've never heard that either, where did you hear that?
Also, if a Nuke goes off INSIDE a ship its going to be destroyed. Even the "small" nukes that we dropped on Japan would do enormous damage if not completely obliterate the ship they detonated inside.

[Mister Oragahn]

Plus to drop the shields, they just need to fire their nukes on a specific point, or beam them en masse next to the ship, all around the same point. That alone would even be able to damage the ship beyond the shield's failing.

Oh yeah, I do claim that the nukes will drop the shields. That is based on the multiple references I cited (kiloton weaponry damaging heavily warmed and defended warships, small fission nuclear explosives destroying entire decks of very modern warships - post ROTJ -, snubfighters concentrating fire on a spot of a shield and creating a large hole in a short amount of time, with weaponry largely described as being, in effect, close to hundreds of kilotons of energy to maybe one or two megatons at best, etc.), which clearly show that shields in Star Wars aren't those uber monster tech devices some people want them to be.

[GateR_mk]

Well SD can destroy planets so then the shields would go down and the Oddy. I mean the firepower of a SD is amazing and it would bring the shields down of the oddy right away.

Here is what the SD would do. They would tractor beam the Oddy, launch tie-fighters, Tie-Bombers, Tie-Intercepters and any other fighters or shuttles they have. Then they would fire turboblasters, Ion Cannons, missles and anything else they had. The F-302's would get destroyed by the Tie's and the Oddy would get blown out of the water by the awsome fire power of the SD.

Thus the Oddy would lose and the SD would go home happy

When were Star Destroyers given the ability to destroy planets??? The only SD that could do so was the Eclipse-class which was classified as an SSD. The Odyssey is much smaller than the SD which means that she could score direct hits on the shield domes while avoiding the SD's laser barage. the TIE fighers would have a tough time avoiding the both the 304's fire and the SD's fire. The shield generaters on the Star Destroyer are in a very impractical place, being in the open rather than being protected by being nestled against the hull. And for some angles, like being directly above them, there are no turbolasers covering them.

If the Odyssey was engaged in a runing firefight with a star destroyer, launching missiles at the shield towers as she circles the larger ship, eventually the SD's shields would fail and eventually, the ship would be destroyed by being picked apart. While strafing the Destroyer, the small-caliber railguns would be used as point defense weapons (swatting away the TIEs and missile) with the larger-caliber railguns scoring direct hits on the destroyer's hull. Once the shields were down, Odyseey could use its nukes to blast the hull into smitherines.

[TKG]

thats the odd thing, there are two main types of sheilding instarwars, particle and wave, both being more resistant to a specific type of weapons but being noticeably less effective versus anything else. Last I checked most ISD's did not have anything for rail gun rounds and since beaming tech didn't exist theres no guarantee they could ever stop a nuke from being beamed aboard.

in the end I stillt hink the odessy would win, after all, they're used to impssible fights against much larger and possibly better armed foes.

btw does anyone know the crew compliment of the 304 or it's maximum travel duration?

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

All right, a couple things here:

First of all, and I think this has been said:
darth timon seems to think that 'evenly cratered' means that you can't see
any non-cratered area of land. This makes no sense.

You could 'evenly crater' a planet with any number of craters, big or small, as long as they are all equidistant.

And secondly, no one has responded to the issue of the ion-cannons on a SD.
Once Daedelus' shield is down, it's toast.

(oh, and where in blazes did you read that the ships have to lower thier shields to fire! That's insane! No one would build a ship like that! It's not been done in the history of sci-fi!)

[TKG]

And secondly, no one has responded to the issue of the ion-cannons on a SD.
Once Daedelus' shield is down, it's toast.

As I recall SW ion cannons dont actually damage sheilds, they simply deny the systems of a target operating power for a a time based on the power of the gun in relation tot he size and power of the target. If my memory holds true, then the Ions may not work at all.
The possible reasons for Ion cannons not working come from the fact that most stargate ships dont necesarily use hard wiring, they use alternative methods that may not allow the forcefully applied ions to block and nullify electrical impulses. Until theres a clear picture of how power is moved about ships like the Odyssey, theres no way to say if an ion cannon will do anything more then irrtate mcay or something.