Hyperdrive vs Slipstream

[Integrabyte]

Hyperdrive vs. Slipstream

Hyperdrive travel can also be complicated by the fact that more than one level of hyper space can exist. This can even be further complicated by the possible existence of fractal dimensions. A fractal dimension exists between two "integer" dimensions and contains aspects of both. Often, mathematical and physical constants will vary slightly from one fractal hyperspace to another. For example, it could be possible to define a fractal dimension by its particular value of pi. One level would have a pi value of 3.14159..., one would have a pi value of 4.78, and another would have a value of 3.00 exactly. As with decimals, there would be an infinite number of fractals between integer dimensions, and therefore an infinite number of possible hyperspaces.
Though a hyperdrive can access hyperspace from theoretically anywhere in space, some conditions and areas may make the feat more dangerous or difficult than others.

Bottom line, hyperdrive and hyperspace are not easy to obtain as some people point out. Extensive calculations need to be done for entering and exiting Hyperspace. What if you exit close to a blackhole, into a sun, into a planet, etc?

[NATIK]

In Stargate they have sensors which can detect what happens outside hyperspace and since they can vary their speed and course inside hyperspace, no calculations have to be done before entering and all you need to do when exiting is to make sure nothing shows on the sensors in the space you are going to appear in.

[kefke20]

well i will put it like this. fi they are developing it they have kept it really quiet. and the one thing they may find hard is finding an energy source that will power something like that. because it has to break into subspace to actually make the wormhole.

a copple of months ago some one put a thread on this form linking a news artical abuot that the usa was very closs in building a hyperdrive.

an for thad power source, we got zero point tech nou for wat 10 yaers.
nou we got aplecation for it

(the tech is real and dident waht to juss it, 1 liter of it is enauf to vaporis all earths sea`s and we didind got somting to store it in. i ges that proplem is fixt)

[Integrabyte]

In Stargate they have sensors which can detect what happens outside hyperspace and since they can vary their speed and course inside hyperspace, no calculations have to be done before entering and all you need to do when exiting is to make sure nothing shows on the sensors in the space you are going to appear in.

This sounds so nice but there is one problem. When one enters hyperspace, one plots the 4d route from departure to arrival. This route cannot be altered by no means. What you say sounds like this. Teal'c dials Dakara from SGC. In "mid flight" SGC detects a sandstorm on Dakara , and diverts Teal'c to another planet. Impossible! the wormhole from Earth to Dakara has been established and cannot be altered. The ROUTE has been calculated!!!!

Note: Ignoring solar flares and natural disasters.


At the end of the day you are right, it is just a FILM .

[Orange Crush]

Not sure about the Quantum Slipstream-Drive in StarTrek

Quantum Slipstream in Voyager was a modification of Warp Drive--the warp field was modified into a subspace tunnel by quantum emissions from the deflector but requires complex on-the-fly calculations to keep it stable.

[CouchPotator]

This sounds so nice but there is one problem. When one enters hyperspace, one plots the 4d route from departure to arrival. This route cannot be altered by no means. What you say sounds like this. Teal'c dials Dakara from SGC. In "mid flight" SGC detects a sandstorm on Dakara , and diverts Teal'c to another planet. Impossible! the wormhole from Earth to Dakara has been established and cannot be altered. The ROUTE has been calculated!!!!

Note: Ignoring solar flares and natural disasters.


At the end of the day you are right, it is just a FILM .

Stargate hyperdrive doesn't work like that. There isn't any dialing. You sound like your combining stargate wormholes with ship hyperdrives.

[Integrabyte]

Stargate hyperdrive doesn't work like that. There isn't any dialing. You sound like your combining stargate wormholes with ship hyperdrives.

You did not understand what I said. I made an analogy between a wormhole created by a stargate and hyper space created with the help of a hyper drive. I will explain one more time. When a wormhole is dialled, the path for the traveller is predefined and cannot be altered. Going back to Teal'c, SGC cannot divert him manually to another planet whenever they please if he is on his way to Dakara. Hyper space is similar. Before Caldwell enters hyperspace to fly to Atlantis from Earth, the computer plots the route from beginning to end and opens the hyper space window. The fact that they can drop out of hyperspace and resume it whenever they please is just wrong . It is a SciFi cliché. When it comes to Hyperspace, in some aspects, Star Wars is more realistic. Many theories in Stargate are based on the work done by Hawkins. Need to understand more, read my previous post about hyper space and its levels.

[NATIK]

This sounds so nice but there is one problem. When one enters hyperspace, one plots the 4d route from departure to arrival. This route cannot be altered by no means. What you say sounds like this. Teal'c dials Dakara from SGC. In "mid flight" SGC detects a sandstorm on Dakara , and diverts Teal'c to another planet. Impossible! the wormhole from Earth to Dakara has been established and cannot be altered. The ROUTE has been calculated!!!!

Note: Ignoring solar flares and natural disasters.


At the end of the day you are right, it is just a FILM .

That would be true if you were speaking of either Wormhole travel or Star wars hyperspace travel BUT as I already said star wars hyperspace travel dosnt have anything to do with any other scifi universe version of hyperspace it isnt actually hyperspace travel it is closer to star trek warp travel then anything else.

Star wars is NOT more realistic, the real theories behind hyperspace actually state that all you do is jump in there, then you can navigate in hyperspace like you would in real space, the laws of physics are just different so you can go faster then you can in our space.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

to be honest who cares whos type of travel is more realistic. its all bloody fictional. and who actually takes time to study this anyway

[Hyperwarp]

to be honest who cares whos type of travel is more realistic. its all bloody fictional. and who actually takes time to study this anyway

Ah......for once I agree! Its Science-Fiction after all!

[NATIK]

I personally feel that it is important this is after all SCIENCE-fiction, it works both ways.

If the science isnt worth thinking about and studying, you may aswell be watching fantasy or a regular drama series but different people have different feelings about this so please don't make such general claims on what is worthy of interest and what is not.

[Integrabyte]

and who actually takes time to study this anyway

Well, if we would all think like that we would actually believe that PHOTON Torpedoes can destroy a ship, inertial dampeners eliminate inertia when coming to rest from FTL travel, and so on and so forth. The closer to reality the show is, the better.

[NATIK]

Well they may be called "photon" torpedos but they dont damage the ship with photons, it is actually a matter/antimatter explosion, there is no photons involved with the torpedos functions at any time.

Inertial dampners are needed for scifi like this, without them most ships would kill people when accelerating and deccelerating.

[fallenexile452]

That would be true if you were speaking of either Wormhole travel or Star wars hyperspace travel BUT as I already said star wars hyperspace travel dosnt have anything to do with any other scifi universe version of hyperspace it isnt actually hyperspace travel it is closer to star trek warp travel then anything else.

Star wars is NOT more realistic, the real theories behind hyperspace actually state that all you do is jump in there, then you can navigate in hyperspace like you would in real space, the laws of physics are just different so you can go faster then you can in our space.

I thought that the hyperspace routes in SW were designed to avoid obstacles not that you couldn't go anywhere you wanted just that you wouldn't want to. this raises the point though if you are in hyperspace why would objects such as planets be a problem? hyperspace in stargate actually takes you out of phase with normal space so such things become irrelevant. another interesting point would be if you could pull someone out of hyperspace from normal space like they can in SW.

[NATIK]

I thought that the hyperspace routes in SW were designed to avoid obstacles not that you couldn't go anywhere you wanted just that you wouldn't want to. this raises the point though if you are in hyperspace why would objects such as planets be a problem? hyperspace in stargate actually takes you out of phase with normal space so such things become irrelevant. another interesting point would be if you could pull someone out of hyperspace from normal space like they can in SW.

Indeed, planets, suns and the like should and is not a problem in Stargate hyperspace (normally, only a few things, like collapsing stars and black holes can be), that is why I am refering to Star wars hyperspace as a nerfed form of warp, in Star wars they can crash into planets and other objects while traveling at FTL and they are unable to change course enroute, also they can still see stars and other objects pass by while going at FTL which indicate they never leave our spacetime.

We have yet to see any Interdictor technology in Stargate neither have we seen any clues that it would be possible. In Star wars interdictor tech works by creating artificial gravity wells which shuts down hyperdrives as Star wars hyperdrives fails with catastrophic consequenses if they are active near gravity wells, in Stargate we have seen many examples of ships activating hyperdrives very close to huge gravity wells, the only thing we have seen that has an effect on a Stargate hyperdrive is a black hole, the space-time distortions causes changes in hyperspace and thus a hyperdrive can't activate.