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    Decided to add this to the thread.

    Originally posted by An Ancient
    Ok, Goa’uld motherships, the eternal question, so here we go, comment on the calcs if you wish.

    First, we must establish one thing, the ships size.

    For this I will use my calcs, if anyone has a problem with these and evidence, please say so. If you have nothing beyond you don’t like them, tough.

    Calc's;

    Ok, here we have Ra’s ship;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7229/b17ao.jpg

    And the pyramid it lands on, supposedly the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza, which is 230m wide;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/695/b28do.jpg

    Ra’s ship over said pyramid;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5864/b35kc.jpg

    From this, we can scale;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9773/b41it.jpg

    And we get that Ra’s ship is 353m in diameter. So far, so good.

    Now, we establish the appearance of Ra’s ship;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7185/b53bo.jpg

    And now we fast forward to Cimmeria;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9863/b67wu.jpg

    These are clearly the same type of ship. It is establish that these are used as landing platforms by the Ha’tak class of vessel.

    Of course, the Asguard put a crimp in the Goa’uld plans;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3022/b72yp.jpg

    From which we can also scale;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7692/b81ca.jpg

    This gives us rough estimates that put the Beliskner’s ‘head’ at 711m wide and the rear at 822m wide. In addition the fins turn out to be 320m tall.

    We can the use an image of the ship on schematics along with the width of the head section, to work out the length;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6828/b96rr.jpg

    Using our 711m width dimension, we arrive at a figure of 1720m for the length of an Asguard mothership, impressive.

    In the meantime, we fast forward to the planet Juna, where we encounter another vessel of the type use by Ra;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1671/b102io.jpg

    except this one is used by Cronus. Happily for us, this is the only time we see them being used in their intended role as landing pedestals, using the visible underside as a reference, we conclude that the descending vessel will reach the point highlighted (also confirmed in the 'previously on SG-1' section of the next ep) using this point and our scale for the smaller vessel we can scale;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6382/b119qe.jpg

    Scaling reveals that out of 353m of width, the Ha’tak will land at a point where it is 230m wide. This actually makes a lot of sense, as it allows the Ha’tak’s to land on these vessels while at the same time their opening is exactly the right size to land on a more primitive stone pyramid, indicating uniformity of design.


    Skip forward to ‘Lost City’, and we have our first decent view of the underside of a Ha’tak, however, there is a problem, the opening is triangular, as it was with Cronus, thus, to land on a square based pyramid or ship, we must find a square within that will allow the pyramid in (230m per side);
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/835/b129wo.jpg

    Based on this, we scale the sides of the opening at 512m wide.

    Using this size we can then take a measurement across the entire Ha’tak;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6074/b133vh.jpg

    Which gives us the surprising figure of 2017m wide for a Ha’tak class mothership from tip to tip.

    This would explain this shot;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3483/b142af.jpg

    While the Asguard vessel initially appears larger due to its being closer, scaling reveals it to be slightly smaller. Once projected to a point where the ‘head’ of this Beliskner class vessel would be should it move to be level with the Ha’tak, we find the scaling supports the quoted figures, the 711m wide head section giving a Ha’tak width of 2023m;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5246/b154ap.jpg

    From there we can take this image of Anubis mothership and a Ha’tak and, once perspective is compensated for, we can scale;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/8636/b169nm.jpg

    From this we find that the radius of Anubis mothership is about 2230m.

    We can therefore conclude that Anubis mothership is 4460m wide, not including arms. Thus, we can use this shot of the mothership in action to scale it total;
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5602/b175qj.jpg

    With the arms taken into account the ship is 7945m wide, however, it should be noted that the arms add practically no offensive capability and are mostly a point of interest. Scaling via the Ha’taks in this scene support this scale.

    Now, the final scaling, using the rough 2000m figure for Ha’taks, we can now take the Ha’tak level with Apophis’s mothership and scale the ship and the ship with its arms (why do all Goa’uld have massive arms that invrease the width of their uber-ships but have not other discernible function?);
    http://img201.exs.cx/img201/2509/b184xt.jpg

    We get 4390m across for the ship and 9160m once the stupidly long arms are added in.

    Thus, www.stargate-tech.net were correct in asserting the two Goa’uld uber ships are of similar size, they are, although Apophis’s ship wins out in the uselessly long arms department.

    Thus, we can offer the following scales;
    Ra type pyramid; 353m
    Ha’tak; 2000m tip to tip
    Apophis’s Ship; 4390m (9160 with arms)
    Anubis Ship; 4460m (7945 with arms)
    Asguard Beliskner class; 1720m long
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      Hey all, new to GateWorld forum.

      firstly, I've read about 30 or so pages of this thread but lost interest after there was less to do with the scaling of ships and more to do with a game I couldn't seem to find working still...

      Anyway, obviously there are no recent episodes to talk about so I wanted to bring up a theory on the supergate. Whoever designed it obviously needs a slap.

      My theory is this: Out of the Stargate on the planet, the supergate segments measuring aprox 5x10 meters came flying out and formed a small super gate far larger than a normal stargate. Too small for an Ori mothership, but big enough to fig a much larger type of supergate segment. Those second type of massive segments then came out of the first smaller supergate and formed a much larger supergate, before having the remaining small supergate segments dock onto them to explain where they went.

      Now, obviously I know this never happened. But, as fans, is it not our job to come up with some-what likely solutions to mistakes made in our favorite shows and/or movies?
      Anyway, tear appart my plot-hole patch job with your knowledge of stargate and such as I know you shall, I welcome it.
      I personally would just rather pretend that happened rather than ignore the sudden growth of the supergate segments. And no I highly doubt they could simply unfold from 10x5 to something near 30x10 meters, they wouldn't have nearly enough mass and I don't think they're hollow.

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        Very nice scale chart Battera, maybe Atlantis and the Hive-ship has to be redone but the scales are good. I think you should add the langarian ancient satelite, the traveller spaceship, the destiny and... I may have other suggestions latter.
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          [QUOTE=Malchior;10640309]
          My theory is this: Out of the Stargate on the planet, the supergate segments measuring aprox 5x10 meters came flying out and formed a small super gate far larger than a normal stargate. Too small for an Ori mothership, but big enough to fig a much larger type of supergate segment. Those second type of massive segments then came out of the first smaller supergate and formed a much larger supergate, before having the remaining small supergate segments dock onto them to explain where they went.


          I agree whith you, it is obvious to me that the first Supergate and the second can't be the same. The expansion theory is also plausible,as far as I am concerned.

          I also wanted to say that, even if Atlantis is only 3 km wide, there are multiples factors that can proove it to be a city.
          -The buildings of the ship aren't the only internal space: New York may be bigger, it's underground isn't that much developped.(Compared to Atlantis)
          -Earth is, in the stargate franchise, one of the most populated planet. Thats why we have big cities, the Ancients may have been far less than the population of what we call a city.
          -Keep in mind that Atlantis is a spaceship. It is a fragile ship and a too big lenght or too hight buildings may have prevented the ship to land safely.
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            I suppose no one has heard of quotes!!!!!
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              Originally posted by lordofseas View Post
              I suppose no one has heard of quotes!!!!!

              Sorry but I am not realy familliar with the forum's interface, it is my first reply.
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                Originally posted by Col. Shadow Quinn View Post
                From SB.com

                Decided to add this to the thread.
                can i just say this guy is a douche

                Belisknars are roughly the same size as a ha'tak and Apophis' mothership is roughly the same size as an Ori ship (by my rough estimations)

                >.< this guy is an idiot and if rediculousness was a crime he would be public enemy numba 1
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                  Originally posted by Commander Thor View Post
                  can i just say this guy is a douche

                  Belisknars are roughly the same size as a ha'tak and Apophis' mothership is roughly the same size as an Ori ship (by my rough estimations)

                  >.< this guy is an idiot and if rediculousness was a crime he would be public enemy numba 1
                  This is a disscussion, personal attack is an entrave to dialog. Please stay polite.

                  The Belskisner class is a little bigger to two times longer than an Hat'ak class, to me.
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                    you are public enemy nr1 as you for some reason felt the need to bash someone out of the blue.

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                      Did anyone tought about official sizes? The Stargate DVD collections shows the dimentions of some ships. http://stargate.wikia.com does mention these sources.
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                        Originally posted by Kopaka View Post
                        Sorry but I am not realy familliar with the forum's interface, it is my first reply.
                        Unless your name is Gooran, it wasn't you. *is tempted to report*

                        Originally posted by Kopaka View Post
                        Did anyone tought about official sizes? The Stargate DVD collections shows the dimentions of some ships. http://stargate.wikia.com does mention these sources.
                        Don't trust anything that Wiki says.
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                          Originally posted by lordofseas View Post
                          Don't trust anything that Wiki says.
                          I am aware that free encyclopedia like Wikipedia or Wikia canot be trusted. However, most of the ships dimentions do have stong sources I belive released by MGM. For example: if you go to this page;http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/304 you will see tha the dimentions for the Daedalus-Class warship(in technical specifications under the picture) have references(the little numbers). You can see that these numbers come from the Oficial Stargate DVD Collection. I hope this is a trustable source.
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                            Originally posted by Kopaka View Post
                            I am aware that free encyclopedia like Wikipedia or Wikia canot be trusted. However, most of the ships dimentions do have stong sources I belive released by MGM. For example: if you go to this page;http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/304 you will see tha the dimentions for the Daedalus-Class warship(in technical specifications under the picture) have references(the little numbers). You can see that these numbers come from the Oficial Stargate DVD Collection. I hope this is a trustable source.
                            Its not. The scalings done on this thread are far more accurate.
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                              I believe that someone e-mailed the people that do the CAD for SG, and they got the lwh of the Daedalus class.
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                                Does Battera add more ships to his chart? I am thinking of those:
                                -Replicator cruiser
                                -Replicator lander
                                -Ancient Langarian Satelite
                                -Traveler Generational Ship
                                -The Destiny
                                -etc

                                I also tought you could add a smaller chart for the smaller ships such as:
                                -X-301
                                -F-302
                                -Death Glider
                                -Neadle Threadler (Sorry for the orthograph)
                                -Dart
                                -Gateship (Puddle Jumper)
                                -Alkesh
                                -etc

                                It would be cool and apreciated

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