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Decided to add this to the thread.
Decided to add this to the thread.
Originally posted by An Ancient
Ok, Goa’uld motherships, the eternal question, so here we go, comment on the calcs if you wish.
First, we must establish one thing, the ships size.
For this I will use my calcs, if anyone has a problem with these and evidence, please say so. If you have nothing beyond you don’t like them, tough.
Calc's;
Ok, here we have Ra’s ship;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7229/b17ao.jpg
And the pyramid it lands on, supposedly the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza, which is 230m wide;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/695/b28do.jpg
Ra’s ship over said pyramid;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5864/b35kc.jpg
From this, we can scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9773/b41it.jpg
And we get that Ra’s ship is 353m in diameter. So far, so good.
Now, we establish the appearance of Ra’s ship;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7185/b53bo.jpg
And now we fast forward to Cimmeria;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9863/b67wu.jpg
These are clearly the same type of ship. It is establish that these are used as landing platforms by the Ha’tak class of vessel.
Of course, the Asguard put a crimp in the Goa’uld plans;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3022/b72yp.jpg
From which we can also scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7692/b81ca.jpg
This gives us rough estimates that put the Beliskner’s ‘head’ at 711m wide and the rear at 822m wide. In addition the fins turn out to be 320m tall.
We can the use an image of the ship on schematics along with the width of the head section, to work out the length;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6828/b96rr.jpg
Using our 711m width dimension, we arrive at a figure of 1720m for the length of an Asguard mothership, impressive.
In the meantime, we fast forward to the planet Juna, where we encounter another vessel of the type use by Ra;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1671/b102io.jpg
except this one is used by Cronus. Happily for us, this is the only time we see them being used in their intended role as landing pedestals, using the visible underside as a reference, we conclude that the descending vessel will reach the point highlighted (also confirmed in the 'previously on SG-1' section of the next ep) using this point and our scale for the smaller vessel we can scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6382/b119qe.jpg
Scaling reveals that out of 353m of width, the Ha’tak will land at a point where it is 230m wide. This actually makes a lot of sense, as it allows the Ha’tak’s to land on these vessels while at the same time their opening is exactly the right size to land on a more primitive stone pyramid, indicating uniformity of design.
Skip forward to ‘Lost City’, and we have our first decent view of the underside of a Ha’tak, however, there is a problem, the opening is triangular, as it was with Cronus, thus, to land on a square based pyramid or ship, we must find a square within that will allow the pyramid in (230m per side);
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/835/b129wo.jpg
Based on this, we scale the sides of the opening at 512m wide.
Using this size we can then take a measurement across the entire Ha’tak;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6074/b133vh.jpg
Which gives us the surprising figure of 2017m wide for a Ha’tak class mothership from tip to tip.
This would explain this shot;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3483/b142af.jpg
While the Asguard vessel initially appears larger due to its being closer, scaling reveals it to be slightly smaller. Once projected to a point where the ‘head’ of this Beliskner class vessel would be should it move to be level with the Ha’tak, we find the scaling supports the quoted figures, the 711m wide head section giving a Ha’tak width of 2023m;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5246/b154ap.jpg
From there we can take this image of Anubis mothership and a Ha’tak and, once perspective is compensated for, we can scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/8636/b169nm.jpg
From this we find that the radius of Anubis mothership is about 2230m.
We can therefore conclude that Anubis mothership is 4460m wide, not including arms. Thus, we can use this shot of the mothership in action to scale it total;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5602/b175qj.jpg
With the arms taken into account the ship is 7945m wide, however, it should be noted that the arms add practically no offensive capability and are mostly a point of interest. Scaling via the Ha’taks in this scene support this scale.
Now, the final scaling, using the rough 2000m figure for Ha’taks, we can now take the Ha’tak level with Apophis’s mothership and scale the ship and the ship with its arms (why do all Goa’uld have massive arms that invrease the width of their uber-ships but have not other discernible function?);
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/2509/b184xt.jpg
We get 4390m across for the ship and 9160m once the stupidly long arms are added in.
Thus, www.stargate-tech.net were correct in asserting the two Goa’uld uber ships are of similar size, they are, although Apophis’s ship wins out in the uselessly long arms department.
Thus, we can offer the following scales;
Ra type pyramid; 353m
Ha’tak; 2000m tip to tip
Apophis’s Ship; 4390m (9160 with arms)
Anubis Ship; 4460m (7945 with arms)
Asguard Beliskner class; 1720m long
First, we must establish one thing, the ships size.
For this I will use my calcs, if anyone has a problem with these and evidence, please say so. If you have nothing beyond you don’t like them, tough.
Calc's;
Ok, here we have Ra’s ship;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7229/b17ao.jpg
And the pyramid it lands on, supposedly the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza, which is 230m wide;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/695/b28do.jpg
Ra’s ship over said pyramid;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5864/b35kc.jpg
From this, we can scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9773/b41it.jpg
And we get that Ra’s ship is 353m in diameter. So far, so good.
Now, we establish the appearance of Ra’s ship;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7185/b53bo.jpg
And now we fast forward to Cimmeria;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9863/b67wu.jpg
These are clearly the same type of ship. It is establish that these are used as landing platforms by the Ha’tak class of vessel.
Of course, the Asguard put a crimp in the Goa’uld plans;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3022/b72yp.jpg
From which we can also scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7692/b81ca.jpg
This gives us rough estimates that put the Beliskner’s ‘head’ at 711m wide and the rear at 822m wide. In addition the fins turn out to be 320m tall.
We can the use an image of the ship on schematics along with the width of the head section, to work out the length;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6828/b96rr.jpg
Using our 711m width dimension, we arrive at a figure of 1720m for the length of an Asguard mothership, impressive.
In the meantime, we fast forward to the planet Juna, where we encounter another vessel of the type use by Ra;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1671/b102io.jpg
except this one is used by Cronus. Happily for us, this is the only time we see them being used in their intended role as landing pedestals, using the visible underside as a reference, we conclude that the descending vessel will reach the point highlighted (also confirmed in the 'previously on SG-1' section of the next ep) using this point and our scale for the smaller vessel we can scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6382/b119qe.jpg
Scaling reveals that out of 353m of width, the Ha’tak will land at a point where it is 230m wide. This actually makes a lot of sense, as it allows the Ha’tak’s to land on these vessels while at the same time their opening is exactly the right size to land on a more primitive stone pyramid, indicating uniformity of design.
Skip forward to ‘Lost City’, and we have our first decent view of the underside of a Ha’tak, however, there is a problem, the opening is triangular, as it was with Cronus, thus, to land on a square based pyramid or ship, we must find a square within that will allow the pyramid in (230m per side);
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/835/b129wo.jpg
Based on this, we scale the sides of the opening at 512m wide.
Using this size we can then take a measurement across the entire Ha’tak;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6074/b133vh.jpg
Which gives us the surprising figure of 2017m wide for a Ha’tak class mothership from tip to tip.
This would explain this shot;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3483/b142af.jpg
While the Asguard vessel initially appears larger due to its being closer, scaling reveals it to be slightly smaller. Once projected to a point where the ‘head’ of this Beliskner class vessel would be should it move to be level with the Ha’tak, we find the scaling supports the quoted figures, the 711m wide head section giving a Ha’tak width of 2023m;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5246/b154ap.jpg
From there we can take this image of Anubis mothership and a Ha’tak and, once perspective is compensated for, we can scale;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/8636/b169nm.jpg
From this we find that the radius of Anubis mothership is about 2230m.
We can therefore conclude that Anubis mothership is 4460m wide, not including arms. Thus, we can use this shot of the mothership in action to scale it total;
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5602/b175qj.jpg
With the arms taken into account the ship is 7945m wide, however, it should be noted that the arms add practically no offensive capability and are mostly a point of interest. Scaling via the Ha’taks in this scene support this scale.
Now, the final scaling, using the rough 2000m figure for Ha’taks, we can now take the Ha’tak level with Apophis’s mothership and scale the ship and the ship with its arms (why do all Goa’uld have massive arms that invrease the width of their uber-ships but have not other discernible function?);
http://img201.exs.cx/img201/2509/b184xt.jpg
We get 4390m across for the ship and 9160m once the stupidly long arms are added in.
Thus, www.stargate-tech.net were correct in asserting the two Goa’uld uber ships are of similar size, they are, although Apophis’s ship wins out in the uselessly long arms department.
Thus, we can offer the following scales;
Ra type pyramid; 353m
Ha’tak; 2000m tip to tip
Apophis’s Ship; 4390m (9160 with arms)
Anubis Ship; 4460m (7945 with arms)
Asguard Beliskner class; 1720m long
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