The Sci. & Tech. Concordance and Discussion Thread

[immhotep]

the first nine (lower senses) are now well-recognized: the equilibrioceptive (balance), proprioceptive (movement), nociceptive (sense of pain and wellness), tactile (touch), gustatory (taste), olfactory (smell), thermoceptive (warmth), visual and auditory senses. but there are also three higher senses: sense of language, the sense of thought and the sense of ego

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

Its actually 12, but there are other sense that can account up to 19, but i cant find articles, things like internal senses ( hungers, thirst, bladder pressure, internal movement e.g. feeling syrup going down your throught)

[_Owen_]

Ok, I highly doubt that balance or movement are senses. Sense of pain, is part of tactile sense, sense of wellness, not a physical sense also. Taste, yes, smell, yes, warmth is part of tousch, visual and auditory are separate, language is not a sense, thought is a not a sense and ego is not a sense. Most of those senses are just senses of touch, bladder preasure is touch, internal movement touch. The rest of it is just your intelligence recognizing yourself. Ballance, that's your inner ear, you have no control over that, unless you spin around in a circle. movement, that is just you controling your various body parts and telling them where to go. Sense of pain an wellness, once again, your conciousness lets you realise if you are ok, or not, the physical pain is touch. sense of language, intelliigence, sense of though, intelligence, sense of ego, also intelligence, and a lot of people don't have a sense of their own ego, so some people have a different number of senses than others?

[immhotep]

do you feel pain? yes
Do you feel when your off balence? yes
Do you feel that your moving? yes, raise you hand...you know what it is yet you dont technically have any organ to detect that, explain?

what ever you feel can be intepretted as a sense, that what i think, and thus if you can feel some energy ball in your hands then you senses, and intuition tell you it there..right?

[Harekin]

There are six proven senses in the scientific world, Im quite good in the field of biology. There is touch, sight, hearing, smell, taste and balance(this one is believed, not yet officially proven). All the other you mentioned are covered under these. Just remember Wikipedia is maintained by users the same as the Omnipedia on this so can be incorrect sometimes.

[immhotep]

have you ever watched QI? great show and theres a nery nice bit where he got asked how many senses there were, he said 5 and got it wrong, and stephan fry said there was 19, now usually i dot believe TV but it is called Quite interesting and ive looked it up and found it to be true, not scientifically but there is ground for every one of those to be a sense in its own right...expecially internal ones, because i dont think their are presure or touch receptors inside you body because they are located on the skin...why do you sense those type of things?

[_Owen_]

Hence "Do you feel?"

Those are all part of your sense of touch. You feel pain, because something sharp touches you. That is touch. You feel when you are off balance because you feel more weight on one foot, touch. You feel movement because the air passes your hand, or because your arm rubs against the inside of your shirt. Most of the time you don't actually feel these things, you know these things. You know your arm is moving, but still if you feel it it is touch. They aren't separate senses, they are touch.

If you stab your arm with a pen, that is pain, if you rub your arm with a massager, that is feeling good, are they separate senses, no, they are both touch.

[Harekin]

Actually you feel off balance because the lymph in your inner ear moves hence they now say it is a seperate sense.

[_Owen_]

Well, yes that too, I think I mentioned that before, but still it is the feeling of touch, movement causes that, it's not some psycic connection with a tiny little node in your brain.

[Harekin]

No its not the feeling of touch actually, that would require there to be sensory neurons in the inner ear.

[Avatar28]

They're right, Owen. The inner ear is a sensitive accelerometer and is responsible for your sense of balance (not the terms we use even, sense of balance). It's not really related to touch.

In the same way, it's generally possible for the body to tell where your limbs are, even if you couldn't see it. close your eyes and wave your hands in front of your face. You can almost, in a sense, "see" the movements.

[Seastallion]

Truth be told, I don't think we even know any where close enough to determine for certain if psychic warfare is a viablility in real life. It is a subject that is truly in its infancy in regards to scientific research. It IS a fact, that the human mind has been PROVEN to have at least limited precognitive capability. They know this because of experiments done with computers showing a series of images on the screen, most of them of happy, and serene images, but with a few very horrifying scenes randomly tossed within. The subjects were connected to monitor equipment, detecting their physiological responses to the images on the screens. However, in every instance when the bad images came up the brain and body responded just before the image came up. There was no other explanation of what could be happening than that there was some sort of extra-sensory perception at work. It has also been proven, that the human mind also has a limited ability to control computers, with a wide enough percentage for margin of error to discount coincidence. Those are just a few examples that I can come up with off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others.

[immhotep]

you are right, psionic research is in it infancy, its not even a proper science yet it should be. We have so much untapped potential as a species, out brain uses 10% of it potential and im a vervant believer that our potential to do 'extra' things with our mind is the next step in our evolution, thos who have already taken the step and have shown it shouldnt be consider 'nuts' but as the next stage our species. not look down upon but respected for their uniqueness and as our true future.

[Seastallion]

^ Hey Immhotep... Just thought it was interesting that shortly after our discussion on Global Warming, Time Magazine has a major article on it. It also mentioned the release of Carbon as the ice melts. Also, that the amount of Solar energy that gets reflected back into space is less because the Ice is gone. I don't expect a desert planet (i.e.- Dune) exactly, but I think we can adapt come what may. An inventor a year or so ago made a machine that collects water from the air, so building and also building more pure water refineries could help deal with water shortages around the world. Even so, I think it would be prudent to build an "Ark". Essentially a strong storage facility with multiple samples of DNA from every species of fauna and flora available, as well as other biological samples. Maybe even a vast zoo, of animals that can be kept in captivity successfully. If it turned out that we had to wait for the planet to regain its footing, then having that could help restore the ecosystem in the long run. It could also contain all the collective knowledge that mankind has made up til now. Essentially, a vast library, not unlike the Library of Halexandria, Egypt. Or the mythic Hall of Atlantis. A place that would allow humanity to start over again. A sort of startup kit.

Certainly that would be in preperation for an extreme outcome, but I think it would be prudent with or without Global Warming.

[Wraith Scientist]

^ Hey Immhotep... Just thought it was interesting that shortly after our discussion on Global Warming, Time Magazine has a major article on it. It also mentioned the release of Carbon as the ice melts. Also, that the amount of Solar energy that gets reflected back into space is less because the Ice is gone. I don't expect a desert planet (i.e.- Dune) exactly, but I think we can adapt come what may. An inventor a year or so ago made a machine that collects water from the air, so building and also building more pure water refineries could help deal with water shortages around the world. Even so, I think it would be prudent to build an "Ark". Essentially a strong storage facility with multiple samples of DNA from every species of fauna and flora available, as well as other biological samples. Maybe even a vast zoo, of animals that can be kept in captivity successfully. If it turned out that we had to wait for the planet to regain its footing, then having that could help restore the ecosystem in the long run. It could also contain all the collective knowledge that mankind has made up til now. Essentially, a vast library, not unlike the Library of Halexandria, Egypt. Or the mythic Hall of Atlantis. A place that would allow humanity to start over again. A sort of startup kit.

Certainly that would be in preperation for an extreme outcome, but I think it would be prudent with or without Global Warming.

There's already one for crops:

Link

[immhotep]

I got alot of the information from a Tv show documentary, Horizon - global dimming, and it was really interesting...i dont see what the point in a seed bank is to be totally honest.
if the world becoem alot hotter the enviroment that those planet actually need wont be around to grow them in, even if we terraform another planet it owuld still be unlikely they would geminate.
The space zoo is an interesting idea, and not that hard, we just take say 100 blood samples from everything currently held in captivity. or more accurately sex cells so genetic cloning of them would be viable. then we put them in a space bank, a giant vault in space, perhaps on the moon even...this would ensure any survivor would be able to repopulate if we were in a position to be able to repopulate.

Oh yeah, i love this thread, just for the shere openness of topics, its really great. Its my favourate thread of the section; i wish it would be used for its real purpose but alas its a great thread nonetheless