The Oddessey did its job!

[Milleniumlance]

That's there personal shield. Not forcefields or ship-shields.

In Upgrades they did go through internal ship forcefields, they moved so fast that they moved faster than the field resonance...In theory the Rail round could penetrate...

[tendomentis]

That's there personal shield. Not forcefields or ship-shields.

They did it for personal shields AND ship's forcefields...obviously Goa'uld shield tech is the same throughout, just depends on the energy output.

[Nero]

Do u mean 11 shots including the first ones before Baal puts the sheilds up if so they were no near full power and meant to take out the weapons only and once the sheild was up it did not take that long to put it down again. Althought i whish they had said what the minimal damage caused by the rail guns was.

The Lucian Alliance have sensors which would detect that main power was offline. Besides they threaten destruction unless Baal surrenders, which he refuses and they order the Ha'tak destroyed. The size is consistant with the normal "plasma" weapons of the Ha'taks. We've seen no evidence they can "tone them down" to reduce damage. The Staff is a smaller version of these, if they could use it to stun as well as kill they would.

They did it for personal shields AND ship's forcefields...obviously Goa'uld shield tech is the same throughout, just depends on the energy output.

In upgrades they were attacking a yet uncompleted ship. There may have been insufficient power available to keep the Forcefield in a 'solid' state. We just don't know for sure. Also we have no way of knowing that the internal forcefields(used for containing people) are in any way similar to the external ship sheilds(used for keeping bad stuff out). The internal ones wouldn't need to be in a solid state to do their intended purpose, the external ones would.


Oh and Quroboros your spot on with your analogy, exact same stuff I said on the "Is the Daedalus a Design Failure as a Warship" thread few weeks back

[tony]

easy.... eaaaasy... i think we will start to see new weapons on our ships in season 10

[Peoples_General]

Because it's better than having no ship.


Having just watched 'Off the Grid' I am still of the same opinion the Daedalus Class are a failure as a warship.

After 2 shots from a Ha'tak the Shields went down 11%. It would take only 20hits to knock them out completely. This does not bode well for us. Considering that the primary fire power of the Lucian Alliance was focused on Baals ship. When the Lucian ships were about to focus their firepower on the Oddessy it jumped just in time.

We hear that one lucian ship suffers minimal damage, we do not know what "minimal" entails. Could be slight sheild damage(1%?), could be a scratch in the paint. No conclusive proof.

Also on a point of the Railguns doing damage against hulls once the sheilds are down. We see Baal's Ha'tak take 11 direct energy blasts to the hull without suffering noticable hull damage, this supports my earlier post that the Ha'taks are armoured as well as sheilded.

How are me ment to take them on?

For all we know the Ha'Taks pack a heavier punch than the Hiveships. Not to mention the possibility that these were Replicator upgraded Ha'Taks....

[Nero]

For all we know the Ha'Taks pack a heavier punch than the Hiveships. Not to mention the possibility that these were Replicator upgraded Ha'Taks....

And the BC-303s were designed to destroy Ha'taks, if they are more powerfull than the hiveships(which we seem unable to destroy now) and they have sheilds, again how can we take them on?

On a point of the replicator ships, remeber they use their own "blocks" to augment systems on captured ships, once the bricks are disabled so too are the improvements. Remember the Core in the captured Ha'tak.

[Peoples_General]

And the BC-303s were designed to destroy Ha'taks, if they are more powerfull than the hiveships(which we seem unable to destroy now) and they have sheilds, again how can we take them on?

On a point of the replicator ships, remeber they use their own "blocks" to augment systems on captured ships, once the bricks are disabled so too are the improvements. Remember the Core in the captured Ha'tak.

Just because a weapon was "designed" to destory something does not guarantee it to be successful. There's this thing called TESTING, which must be done to make sure that the weapons system developed will do the job that it was designed to do.

We have not seen anyone one of the BC-303s go 1-vs-1 with either a Ha'Tak or a Hiveship and use all of its conventional weapons (minus the nuke beaming).

[verbalkint]

They where not holding very well.

They were taking direct fire from 3 ships at one time. Holding very well in my opinion. People always seem to forget the Deadalus and Odyssey are always outnumbered in battle taking on multiple ships at one time. That would drain your shield faster than a 1-on-1 fight.

[valha'lla]

The Lucian Alliance have sensors which would detect that main power was offline. Besides they threaten destruction unless Baal surrenders, which he refuses and they order the Ha'tak destroyed. The size is consistant with the normal "plasma" weapons of the Ha'taks. We've seen no evidence they can "tone them down" to reduce damage. The Staff is a smaller version of these, if they could use it to stun as well as kill they would.




In upgrades they were attacking a yet uncompleted ship. There may have been insufficient power available to keep the Forcefield in a 'solid' state. We just don't know for sure. Also we have no way of knowing that the internal forcefields(used for containing people) are in any way similar to the external ship sheilds(used for keeping bad stuff out). The internal ones wouldn't need to be in a solid state to do their intended purpose, the external ones would.


Oh and Quroboros your spot on with your analogy, exact same stuff I said on the "Is the Daedalus a Design Failure as a Warship" thread few weeks back

NETAN: Fire on them. Target weapons and hyperdrive engines.
From the gateworld transcript, as for the toning down of power it may not be possible but its either this or they at least have differnet strength weapons mounted on the Hatak's. Pluse where did i say stun? I meant only destroying these systems so the hatak could not run or fight back even if it got its sheilds back as apposed to blow the ship to kingdom come.