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    #61
    Originally posted by Jarnin
    The plague had apparently already striken the ancients before Atlantis left 5-10 million years ago; Ayiana had it.
    The thing is, we don't know how long MW Ancients life spans are, though indications are they were very long, Ayiana had the plague when found, but we don't know how long between Atlantis leaving and the plague coming that was. In fact, its almost impossible to assert she had the plague when Atlantis left, since she would've been in contact with those preparing Atlantis for take off, and thus infected them as well.

    Further, the Ancient outpost in 'Window of Oppurtunity' could not have been abandoned millions of years ago, it would have eroded away to nothing, at best it was abandoned 20k-30k years ago, which fits.
    Originally posted by Jarnin
    The big problem with the whole plague plot is that they've never told us when it happened, but they've seem to have blamed it on the Ori. Since the Ori-Alteran split is supposed to predate the Alteran settling the Milky Way galaxy, then it's likely the plague happened within a few thousand or million years of their arrival in this galaxy.
    Or, it is possible that the Ori spent most of the time in between building up to
    fight the Ancients, remember, technically they weren't as advanced, and the Alteran's went pretty much it seems to other side of the universe, at least the local supercluster, and the universe is a big place, they could've spent most of this time just finding where they went.
    Originally posted by Jarnin
    The ascended Alterans supposedly "shielded" the Milky Way from the Ori after the plague, so the Ori thought they had killed all the Alterans and forgot about the Milky Way.
    True.
    Originally posted by Jarnin
    The surviving ancients went on to become the Lantian civilization, which went around seeding worlds to repopulate their kind. When they had finished here, they moved on to Pegasus to continue seeding planets.
    This would not, however, account for Ayiana's prescence or superior physical structure when Atlantis left. Remeber, stock Atlantians even in specially designed statis pods can't last 10k years, Ayiana, despite being in ice, not a specilised statis pod (although she may have started out in one) lasted far longer.

    This also brings up another point, she, and the Stargate in Antartica, were not to far from the ancient outpost, if she had the plague and went into statis millions of years ago, glacial movement would've taken he farand away from the outpost and dumped her and the Stargate into the ocean long before Ra even set foot on the planet.
    Originally posted by Jarnin
    In the last 5-10 million years, they seeded over a thousand worlds and had humans evolve on them. If it took 5-10 million years for the Lantians to seed Pegasus, then it should take a much longer time to seed the Milky Way, because the Milky Way is hundreds of times larger than Pegasus with perhaps thousands of more planets.
    The Lantian's do not, however, appear to posses anything like the technology of the MW Ancients. The many uses of the Dakara device were never fully explored, Anubis, who porbably knew more about it than any SGC member, thought it could be used to remake life as well as destroy it, which is entirely possible, since its range of functions is already deomnstrated to include sperating everything at an atomic level, or by retuning disrupting only the Replicators. That's a pretty big level of adaptability, sort of like a dial on a nuke that, by simply turning it, can be set to 'vapourise everthing' or 'disable Apple Macs'.
    Originally posted by Jarnin
    The Asgard Jack met in The Fifth Race did say "the ancients moved on from this region of space long ago" (paraphrased). Sounds to me like they seeded their galaxy and left to start over in another galaxy.
    Remember, the Asguard were at the point where they had to use sleeper colony ships only 30k years ago, the Ancients would not have needed any alliance with them at that level, and given that this puts a limit of Asguard spacegoing history, 10-20k years ago would be 'long ago' for the Asguard. Bear in mind this is longer than all of human civilisation.
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      #62
      Remember, the Asguard were at the point where they had to use sleeper colony ships only 30k years ago, the Ancients would not have needed any alliance with them at that level

      We wouldn't have anything but 'sleeper ships' if it weren't for outside help, and we were still effective at fighting the Goa'uld. Also, just because they needed sleeper ships to travel between galaxies doesn't mean they didn't have slower, but still effective hyperdrive technology for zipping around their own galaxy. They also more than likely had stargate technology.
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        #63
        Originally posted by ItsDan
        We wouldn't have anything but 'sleeper ships' if it weren't for outside help, and we were still effective at fighting the Goa'uld.
        Actually, that would be with the Stargate system, without the Stargate system (and the ori would far trump the Asguard in its use), without viable hyperdrive, without weapons gifted from higher powers, without ancient defences, without rebel Jaffa etc, we'd be toast right now and the Goa'uld would rule.

        A sleeper ship level Asguard civilisation woud've been Ori bait like Earth was vs Apophis and Anubis, in both cases we were saved by higher powers and protected in the interim by their threat of force, we were not any threat to the Goa'uld without the Tok'ra, rebel Jaffa and the Asguard plus the ancient outpost, the Asguard 30k years ago would've simply been a drain on the Ancients resources.
        Originally posted by ItsDan
        Also, just because they needed sleeper ships to travel between galaxies doesn't mean they didn't have slower, but still effective hyperdrive technology for zipping around their own galaxy. They also more than likely had stargate technology.
        Actually, the Asguard admit the Ancients built the Stargates before the Asguard found them, and the Asguard ship went off-course, it was probably directed to their own galaxy.
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