The Ultimate Earth Ship Discussion Thread #SPOILERS#

[Jeffer]

really we already our a Galactic power no one is going to come after us really we don't need to conquer any planets maybe set up more out posts make colonies on uninhabited planets our goal was to make friends not enemy’s

[immhotep]

ditto which makes cells perfect! and we can have heb and asgard cell of earth and it would make us learn much faster.

[UltraMarioMan]

I mean salvaged Goa'uld mothership weapons would be better then railgun's.

[GateMan2000]

This has been talked about already...You can do a search on it and find some posts regarding this issue....

[Stevos]

Okay, we know that the earth ships are useless against the wraith, but how about against other species.

How would the daedalus class ship compare with a Goa'uld. From the fight over the north pole, i am guessing badly.

Are the daedalus ships only good for transport.

[Eoin]

Okay, we know that the earth ships are useless against the wraith, but how about against other species.

How would the daedalus class ship compare with a Goa'uld. From the fight over the north pole, i am guessing badly.

Are the daedalus ships only good for transport.

The daedulas seemed to put up a good fight against the wraith to me, i think the Big D would do ok against the goa'uld and other races like the hebridians in a one on one face off

[Stevos]

The daedalus shields did fairly well, but it couldn't actually hit anything, which for a warship is a major problem.

[Eoin]

The daedalus shields did fairly well, but it couldn't actually hit anything, which for a warship is a major problem.

The shields done great, it was hitting the wraith, it was destroying darts and hitting the hive ships, we just dont know how much damage was actually caused to the hives by the railguns

[immhotep]

Okay, we know that the earth ships are useless against the wraith, but how about against other species.

How would the daedalus class ship compare with a Goa'uld. From the fight over the north pole, i am guessing badly.

Are the daedalus ships only good for transport.

ok firstly the deadalus did ok, it took out a twelve of the entire wraith fleet in 2 days, in 8 years SG1 took out about 30%, if the deadalus hadnt been stopped and the beam kept working, the wraith would be gone.
us vs the goauld/jaffa sure we can do that fine ( we jsut beam a nuke in)
us vs the asgard, ha!
us vs the orii, HAHAHAHA!!!

basicly were royally screwed!
also it was the south pole not the north.

[creed462]

The daedalus was designed with the gou'ald in mind, so it problely do quite well aganst them, now if we can get some better weapons then we could hurt the other too. Remember what one 303 did to anubis ship in the frist eps of season 7

[Lord Shiva]

ok firstly the deadalus did ok, it took out a twelve of the entire wraith fleet in 2 days, in 8 years SG1 took out about 30%,

Not sure what you mean by 30% or that SG1 has fought the Wraith...

But the Daedelus did ok given that the convinced the Asgard to allow for site-to-site transport of nuclear warheads... but as soon as the Wraith activated anti-beaming countermeasures, the Earthings and their pet Asgard entered "We're Screwed" land.

[Ouroboros]

The Daedalus' main problem is that its missiles are so slow they get shot down before they can actually hit the other guy and damage his ship. The Wraith can shoot them down and I don't see any reason to suspect that the Goa'uld wouldn't be able to do the same thing with deathgliders or the numerous smaller guns a Ha'tak has.

It would probably do better against a Ha'Tak than it did against hiveships because the Ha'tak seems to have less overall firepower. Then again though it also has shields so the beaming trick might not work on it at all even without the special countermeasures.

If the beaming thing works the D wins otherwise I'm picking the Ha'tak in a 1on1 fight.

[Lord Shiva]

The Daedalus' main problem is that its missiles are so slow they get shot down before they can actually hit the other guy and damage his ship. The Wraith can shoot them down and I don't see any reason to suspect that the Goa'uld wouldn't be able to do the same thing with deathgliders or the numerous smaller guns a Ha'tak has.

It would probably do better against a Ha'Tak than it did against hiveships because the Ha'tak seems to have less overall firepower. Then again though it also has shields so the beaming trick might not work on it at all even without the special countermeasures.

If the beaming thing works the D wins otherwise I'm picking the Ha'tak in a 1on1 fight.

I think the basic philosophy of Stargate is that the Tau'ri are advancing at a very fast pace technologically, but they're still a step behind vs. the more developed intergalactic races. Though going from a regular military to the Daedelus in 9 seasons (9 years), proves that the Tau'ri are really on the ball when it comes to advancing (at least militarily).

But yeah... the defensive shields, etc. have been modified from Asgard tech, which means in a defensive role, the Tau'ri ships rock - even without a Zero Point Module.... with a ZPM they are like Sherman tanks in the revolutionary war lol.

In terms of weaponry, though - the Tau'ri is still FAR behind on the intergalactic scale...

Missiles, Rail Guns, etc. even their fighter ships use missiles instead of lasers - it's very obvious that's what the creators are doing. I like it, though... keeps the suspense up.

[kirmit]

actually i think the deddy wuld be worse off against a ha'tak than a hive ship. Ha'taks have shields (hive ships dont) and energy weapons, if they can block the beaming aswell the deddy wuldn't stand a chance against a ha'tak imo.

[Ouroboros]

Thing is though the Earth ships don't have to suck like they've been doing. With the tech they're already using they could make some nasty stuff just by shuffling things around a bit and applying some brainpower.

They've got engines that can accel a ship the size of a prommie to .99c for example. They should be able to make some damn good missiles with engine tech like that.

The railguns are another point. They suck for only one reason, they're too small. Ok it's fine to have a few of the small fast firing ones to shoot down deathgliders and stuff but watching the Daedalus trying to use them against 4km Wraith hiveships is just a head scratcher. Now if the D used some of that empty flat space on its back to mount a few turretted railguns of anti-capship size it would have a decent weapon at it's disposal.

You just take the nukes it's already using for its missiles and fire them out of the railgun instead. You don't get homing ability but you do get a much faster projectile the snakeheads or space vamps can't just shoot down while laughing at you.

The Wraith don't even have shields so you could blast through their bare hulls with time delay fused nukes and start one shot killing their ships with the resulting internal nuke explosions.

If that doesn't work because the nukes aren't big enough or the guns aren't fast enough then just build the whole ship as a flying gun. Run one giant railgun all the way from the prow to almost the stern, then drop a giant naquadria "gatebuster" nuke into the breach, line up one of the sluggish ships of our rivals and let them eat it.

It might not be pretty but that'll get it done.