Predator ship

[Mister Oragahn]

Such a waste. That ship waited for 10,000 years for someone to find and restore her, one of the last of her kind, then these rubes get their hands on her, jury rig some bull****, and destroy her to protect some junky little bucket that can't seriously threaten a hiveship even when dumping it's entire missile payload from ambush.

Yes, it's a waste, but the plot fortunately covered this by making the Orion next to near useless safe for one last parade.

The Daedalus of the time was a joke. It was target practice for hive gunners to perfect that "leave 'em with 1hp" trick since unless they did something terminally retarded (like launch darts out of the bays facing the enemy for instance) it couldn't actually harm a hiveship in any meaningful way. It could just sort of sit there taking shots on it's shields until they failed.

Well the problem is that they didn't put much creativity into the launching of nukes. We know that inertia dampeners can lower effective mass (as indicated by Carter for the X-302).
Modern weapons are very sensitive and don't handle sudden accelerations very well. You've seen the videos about the Excalibur guided bomb? It covers that aspect. I suspect nukes components to even be harder to handle. Now inertia dampeners would have helped a great deal, by allowing the silos to fire the nukes much faster.
It's not like we can spit on the design, it was after all Earth's first "mass" produced ship, and that's running on a very limited budget and having to pull strings in order to get a design validated by enough people. When you look at how things go when it comes to design a new bomber, fighter, destroyer or else, you can easily imagine the nightmare the 304 must have been.
Then add a crucial lack of experience and little ressources, it's easy to understand why, for example, they didn't think about making pure destroyers solely dedicated to firing missiles and mounting large axial coilguns that lob very expensive nukes. And I doubt the naqahdah round ever worked. My opinion is that it's always been Niirti's little secret as to how make naqahdah so capable of reacting to patassium and iron that way.

I still remember that episode. That's easily one of the ****tiest things they've ever done, and they've done a LOT of ****ty messed up things. SGA was like a non stop atrocity party but this still stood out from the bunch as it was something they did to one of their own.

And let's not forget that other one they keep shut in some VR, fully conscious of its situation.

It would be hilarious if it turned out that that fleet was actually led by Todd and that original keeper after getting Rononed back to life like I said before.

Shepard: Ok Todd, now that you're on Earth you're going to have to stay in this cell forever, since I've still got no reason to like you enough to do anything else.

Todd: Did I ever tell you about the time I talked an angry Wraith queen you'd tried to kill out of blasting the supposed nuclear ashes of your suicided city into even smaller nuclear ashes just for spite.

Irony +1.
What are they going to do with him?
... is that SGA movie still in limbo? MGM's got big money problems atm.

No, they were hosed again. The episode even has Caldwell express surprise at why the Wraith left instead of just finishing him off. It's happened to him a couple of times and he can never understand why. It'll be the reason he goes nuts some day.

[Dark Kinght voice]
Why don't you want to kill me??
[/Dark Knight voice]

I'd like to see that happen myself. Have the LA try to steal it or something then have it get destroyed somehow when trying to take it back.
Then without the Asgard core to provide new parts and diagnose problems all the other super advanced Asgard wonder tech starts wearing out and needs to be used more sparingly.

It would really help if these guys could realize that clean up Stargate's act, really get the importance of disposing of those gadgets. It literally HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURTS the franchise.

Has anyone ever tried to count how many unique locations they were seen to fire from?

If we take this seriously enough, I'd say there's like two pairs and one unique turret slapped somewhere underneath, and they seem to have wide arcs of fire.

Hahaha, holy ****. I stopped on this for like 5 minutes trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about but now I remember. I can't believe anyone else did though. She was just that sexy I guess.

Remember, that one was too offensive.

Honestly Twi'leks always kinda grossed me out. I don't get the fanboy love at all.

Easy. Cheap voyeurism, but with the tentacles, it makes them alien so it passes, while it's just perv bonus to geeks.

The old school type Wraith are a natural human enemy though. I just wouldn't go down the same idiotic path of painting the entire species with a single brush as SG is so fond of doing. So a Wraith serving in the new empire's elite guard will probably eat your face and laugh about it, Joe the Wraith who works at the small ship repair station on PX-7113 probably never ate anything actually living in his life and would be just as scared of the first guy as you would. And Jill the Wraith singer queen might even scream like a girl and hide under a bar table if you pulled out a gun near her.

You could have a lot of hilarious WTF type fun with this concept alone. Since Ellia shows that they really are just people that look weird, we're just not used to seeing them that way.

Are you trying to ruin that franchise???...

...

Oh, sorry. You're trying to repair it. I see.

They must run through them pretty fast with the total lack of any kind of preventative measures to, like even wearing shoes.

I bet a lot of this degeneration was caused by Asgard just deciding to dump a body and get a whole new one every time they needed to clip their nails, or got a cold or mosquito bite.

The entire Asgard medical profession was probably reduced down to an automated booth that dispenses you a new body when you put in an Asgard dollar. Maybe you could even get one delivered to your habitation module in 40 minutes or less if you paid a little bit extra.

I can imagine some mental Asgards ordering personal blank clones, putting a wig on 'em and mimicking that old' thing they used to do when they still had one.

Major finger @ the word limit.

[Dii-Reno]

Well, if we want to talk about unstoppable warships you could equip a 304 with phase changing nuclear weapons. Nuke flies out of the 304 in a different dimension until it reaches the core of the enemy, returns to this dimension, and implodes the enemy. Not even the ancients could have defended themselves from that, because it was a creation of merlin.

Nothing new required.

[hedwig]

In "The Pegasus Project", the SGC were trying to make a wormhole jump from a stargate to a supergate. They were using 26 MT shaped nukes to do so, but it wasn't working. The stargate was already being powered by a blackhole btw.
Then the Daedalus got chased by a hiveship, and both went close to the blackhole. A ship with shields would do fine, but flying through (or very close to) the accretion disk and the black hole itself would require the hiveship to increase hull regeneration.
What made the wormhole jump is that the good guys beamed one of those nukes inside the hiveship and counted on the destruction to hit the stargate hard.

It was the Odyssey, not the Daedalus. Colonel Emerson was the commander of the ship, not Colonel Caldwell.

[Mister Oragahn]

It was the Odyssey, not the Daedalus. Colonel Emerson was the commander of the ship, not Colonel Caldwell.

They should paint them differently, I keep messing them up.

[Ouroboros]

Factoring the KE is going to lower the overall figure, as you're actually driving energy towards the stargate. If we go with the omnidirectional burst only, as we see, we need an enormous explosion, one that's on the level of a dino-killer.

That's not too out of the question when you consider they can blow each other up when exploding in close proximity like in the hive, and that stupid episode that recycled the same sequence. To make that possible you'd need to have enough pop in the reactor/munitions/whatever overload to still deliver the same level of energy, minimum, to the second ship's armor surface as normal weapon hits, which already rate somewhere in the highish megatons if I remember your revised estimates correctly.

So you'd need a core explosion that would still be somewhere in the high megatons by the time it had eaten it's way through several kilometers worth of hull material from the hive it started in and crossed probably a few more kilometers of space to reach the second ship.

Of course they borrowed some stupidity from the deathstar in those scenes and made the hive blow up like a Jango Fett mine, so that'll probably completely **** up any attempts to actually calculate it as a normal omni-directional explosion.

Yes, it's a waste, but the plot fortunately covered this by making the Orion next to near useless safe for one last parade.

The only bigger waste was the hiveship, since it would have fixed itself, could have been upgraded to ridiculous levels using Asgard power generation tech, and could have been used in all sorts of hilarious trojan horse plans.

Oh, and it could carry enough supplies from Earth to Pegasus to feed a couple of planets.

Well the problem is that they didn't put much creativity into the launching of nukes. We know that inertia dampeners can lower effective mass (as indicated by Carter for the X-302).
Modern weapons are very sensitive and don't handle sudden accelerations very well. You've seen the videos about the Excalibur guided bomb? It covers that aspect. I suspect nukes components to even be harder to handle. Now inertia dampeners would have helped a great deal, by allowing the silos to fire the nukes much faster.
It's not like we can spit on the design, it was after all Earth's first "mass" produced ship, and that's running on a very limited budget and having to pull strings in order to get a design validated by enough people. When you look at how things go when it comes to design a new bomber, fighter, destroyer or else, you can easily imagine the nightmare the 304 must have been.
Then add a crucial lack of experience and little ressources, it's easy to understand why, for example, they didn't think about making pure destroyers solely dedicated to firing missiles and mounting large axial coilguns that lob very expensive nukes. And I doubt the naqahdah round ever worked. My opinion is that it's always been Niirti's little secret as to how make naqahdah so capable of reacting to patassium and iron that way.

Even if they stuck the nukes onto 302s and had some unladen ones fly an escort for the bomb carriers it would work better. Just need to clear out the darts in the way before the missiles get launched.

Of course just firing the nukes out of a fairly low velocity mass driver would work a hell of a lot better than even that, and still likely give you a massive boost over typical stargate combat ranges.

And let's not forget that other one they keep shut in some VR, fully conscious of its situation.

Yes, and this, the nightmare scenario that exists as the primary example of the antagonist's evil in movies like the Matrix, was treated as an example of them being nice.

SGA: we've got heroes bad enough to put other series' villains to shame.

What are they going to do with him?

Keep him locked up in a cage while he dies a long drawn out death via starvation and eventual madness like in the alternate universe most likely, only while acting even more morally superior while they do it.

They always **** over people that help them if those people are the wrong species. Just ask Repli-Weir and Michael.

Todd could just as easily have let the Earth burn and used his other ZPMs to create more superhives for his own remaining forces, outstripping the power wielded by his would be usurper and all his rivals and eventually taking Earth for himself, and likely Pegasus as well. That fact will of course go unremarked upon though, while they torture him to death with starvation, or subject him to medical experiments against his will.

I bet the Wraith tell stories about what will happen to you if you're taken alive by the Atlantis team. I'm sure the "strapped down and turned into an unstable half-human abomination" one is especially popular when trying to sell those self destruct bombs to the troops.

... is that SGA movie still in limbo? MGM's got big money problems atm.

I'd say closer to purgatory then limbo personally.

It would really help if these guys could realize that clean up Stargate's act, really get the importance of disposing of those gadgets. It literally HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURTS the franchise.

If there was only one thing I could take out it would be the whole post unending wanktech bonanza they got. Fortunately the opening episode of universe did pull sort of a soft retcon with Ha'taks from the Lucian alliance inexplicably being dangerous again.

If we take this seriously enough, I'd say there's like two pairs and one unique turret slapped somewhere underneath, and they seem to have wide arcs of fire.

Maybe the whole surface of the ship is like a giant star trek phaser strip.

Remember, that one was too offensive.

Yes, sadly few people can appreciate true beauty, and even fewer of those that can are Internet forum mods.

Easy. Cheap voyeurism, but with the tentacles, it makes them alien so it passes, while it's just perv bonus to geeks.

Then there's the fact that like 99% of them either are slaves, used to be slaves, or narrowly escaped becoming slaves.

The entire race is basically a joke to me. "We're the race of poor sexy damsels in submissive distress. Oh and we have males too, but try not to notice them, we certainly don't."

Are you trying to ruin that franchise???...

Try... to ruin Atlantis, now you must be joking.

Oh, sorry. You're trying to repair it. I see.

I know it sounds weird as hell to hear it just described to you on a page of text but think of the sort of treatment Fallout 3 and New Vegas gives to the Ghoul characters and you'll be on the right track to how I'd see it working myself.

They're basically freakish looking skinless people that occasionally eat humans in their more "wild" state, but since the civilized ones have lived so long beside humans neither they, or the humans they live with, particularly give a **** anymore. They just act, and are treated like, anyone else would be.

[Mister Oragahn]

That's not too out of the question when you consider they can blow each other up when exploding in close proximity like in the hive, and that stupid episode that recycled the same sequence. To make that possible you'd need to have enough pop in the reactor/munitions/whatever overload to still deliver the same level of energy, minimum, to the second ship's armor surface as normal weapon hits, which already rate somewhere in the highish megatons if I remember your revised estimates correctly.
So you'd need a core explosion that would still be somewhere in the high megatons by the time it had eaten it's way through several kilometers worth of hull material from the hive it started in and crossed probably a few more kilometers of space to reach the second ship.

Well certainly in "The Hive" both hiveships were ferociously biting each other's throat, so it's acceptable that a nearby explosion damaged the one that I had "won". Blowing up entire segments that were near a kilometer for some of them, that surely takes *some* energy after all. I can imagine cores being pumped high, the hull regen at full, weapon slots roiling with energy.
The hull of the last hiveship was most likely very damaged.

Of course they borrowed some stupidity from the deathstar in those scenes and made the hive blow up like a Jango Fett mine, so that'll probably completely **** up any attempts to actually calculate it as a normal omni-directional explosion.

Well it's not that much of a problem, in comparison to the Ring of Win resulting from Carter's awesome sacrifice. I mean, that one was insulting.

Oh, btw.
There's something I forgot to add there about the Ori ship. It's possible that some bits of the structure did fly through the stargate, but were small enough not to be visible among the plasma stream.
There's also the fact that the stargate was already maintaining an extra galactic connection, drawing lots of energy from the nearby blackhole, so it's most likely that the 26 MT fired at the stargate were added to whatever the stargate was already managing.
We've seen from "Redemption", "First Contact" to "Beachhead", that stargates can stock or/and channel impressive quantities of energy of the order of several megatons per second, and likely stock up to several gigatons in total.
When I mean several megatons for the flux, I'm not giving an order of magnitude, because it could be hundreds of them, or thousands. It could multi-gigatons, when we consider what it takes to destroy a connected stargate (the Mark IX trick behind the EH).
However there's no way telling if any of that energy actually flew out of the stargate in the milky way, near the Ori supergate. Considering that none of the stargates exploded, I'd give it a no.

On a near unrelated topic, you may want to read that and that.

The only bigger waste was the hiveship, since it would have fixed itself, could have been upgraded to ridiculous levels using Asgard power generation tech, and could have been used in all sorts of hilarious trojan horse plans.
Oh, and it could carry enough supplies from Earth to Pegasus to feed a couple of planets.

Oh I'm sure they'd have found a beacon they couldn't deactivate or something anyway. Oh noes, they're coming to us, again, and that's because of that big hiveship we borrowed them.

Even if they stuck the nukes onto 302s and had some unladen ones fly an escort for the bomb carriers it would work better. Just need to clear out the darts in the way before the missiles get launched.

Of course just firing the nukes out of a fairly low velocity mass driver would work a hell of a lot better than even that, and still likely give you a massive boost over typical stargate combat ranges.

Yes, I know. Just wait a bit.

Keep him locked up in a cage while he dies a long drawn out death via starvation and eventual madness like in the alternate universe most likely, only while acting even more morally superior while they do it.

They always **** over people that help them if those people are the wrong species. Just ask Repli-Weir and Michael.

Todd could just as easily have let the Earth burn and used his other ZPMs to create more superhives for his own remaining forces, outstripping the power wielded by his would be usurper and all his rivals and eventually taking Earth for himself, and likely Pegasus as well. That fact will of course go unremarked upon though, while they torture him to death with starvation, or subject him to medical experiments against his will.

I bet the Wraith tell stories about what will happen to you if you're taken alive by the Atlantis team. I'm sure the "strapped down and turned into an unstable half-human abomination" one is especially popular when trying to sell those self destruct bombs to the troops.

I'm sure Wraith kids love to play scaredy games by running in the woods while wearing Hybrid and Ooman masks.

If there was only one thing I could take out it would be the whole post unending wanktech bonanza they got. Fortunately the opening episode of universe did pull sort of a soft retcon with Ha'taks from the Lucian alliance inexplicably being dangerous again.

Yeah apparently Mallozzi said, on his blog, that the shields had been updated.
Oh f***. That's it. Ha'taks use Norton shields.

Maybe the whole surface of the ship is like a giant star trek phaser strip.

Just remember to close your eyes by the time the pulse skims over your deck's windows.

Yes, sadly few people can appreciate true beauty, and even fewer of those that can are Internet forum mods.

*fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* "... what?"

Then there's the fact that like 99% of them either are slaves, used to be slaves, or narrowly escaped becoming slaves.
The entire race is basically a joke to me. "We're the race of poor sexy damsels in submissive distress. Oh and we have males too, but try not to notice them, we certainly don't."

Oh yeah, Twi'leks even are the finest makers of seks and SM toys. I heard that their planet literally looks like a giant ball gag or something...

Try... to ruin Atlantis, now you must be joking.

It ain't a ruin until the last wall is down!!!!!

I know it sounds weird as hell to hear it just described to you on a page of text but think of the sort of treatment Fallout 3 and New Vegas gives to the Ghoul characters and you'll be on the right track to how I'd see it working myself.

They're basically freakish looking skinless people that occasionally eat humans in their more "wild" state, but since the civilized ones have lived so long beside humans neither they, or the humans they live with, particularly give a **** anymore. They just act, and are treated like, anyone else would be.

- *chomp* *chomp
- Dude, could you just do that somewhere else? .. I think I knew that guy.

[Ouroboros]

On a near unrelated topic, you may want to read that and that.

I think at this point pretty much all of this is unrelated, or at least better suited for the hiveships general tech thread.

Which I just realized is actually not the one we're currently posting in.

I do like though, how in one of them they choose a picture from a movie where the interstellar gravity drive opened nothing less than a literal portal to hell, to include at the top of their article about the wondrous potential of blackholes for interstellar flight.

Oh I'm sure they'd have found a beacon they couldn't deactivate or something anyway. Oh noes, they're coming to us, again, and that's because of that big hiveship we borrowed them.

Would be funny if it just turned out they do retain that same sentience the growing one in seed had, and it just work up one day once something the Wraith crew did to it wore off, and hard vacced them all, then went off to roam the universe free of parasites.

Yeah apparently Mallozzi said, on his blog, that the shields had been updated.
Oh f***. That's it. Ha'taks use Norton shields.

Updated with what, that Jimmy crack corn they were growing.

Just remember to close your eyes by the time the pulse skims over your deck's windows.

Good way to dissuade people from sticking them everywhere at least.

*fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* "... what?"

Hey, do you have Wraith queen porn! Do you have Wraith queen porn and you're holding out on me!

Oh yeah, Twi'leks even are the finest makers of seks and SM toys. I heard that their planet literally looks like a giant ball gag or something...

It's probably a really telling sign that I'm not sure if you're just mocking them with this first line, or just pointing out something that actually exists somewhere in the vast starwars EU that I just missed.

It ain't a ruin until the last wall is down!!!!!

Quick, fly a hiveship into it at 3 miles per hour!

- *chomp* *chomp
- Dude, could you just do that somewhere else? .. I think I knew that guy.

Not all Ghouls eat people you racist!

[Alterus]

I would have said something more like the Defiant from DS9, think about it, minimal crew quarters, a cloak, Generator usually used for something much larger, loads of weapons for battle and a layer of Ablative hull armour in case the shields fail.

[morrismike]

It's probably lower risk than something like a doctrinal shift to say, simple large scale railguns and hyperdrive carrier craft.

If you're going to act super paranoid over tech capture the last thing you want is to give them ideas they can just emulate with their already existing technology. If you're really so worried about them copying you, making things as high tech and hard to understand as possible is probably the best bet.

You'd get way more mileage out of the low/existing tech doctrinal shift option though, like murderously killing everything while laughing in contempt until everyone was forced to emulate you to catch up.

The average engagement range in stargate seems to be like 10 km or so, and the primary weapon slow moving blobs. There's so many ways to improve upon that you could keep all the other powers chasing your tail lights for years.

Any spacefaring race should be capable of some really wicked low tech weaponary. Engaging these folks "low tech" would be a horrible mistake. I agree with your assessment 100%. The wraith monopolized on zpms because the ancient ships were too weak to carry that sort of asset around like it was a battery and they were captured.

[youarehere]

what about the hyperspace jumper with mk9s for weapons? like hit and run battles.

[youarehere]

just fire 10000= drones from the 302 bays. the problem is where to get them...

[youarehere]

have a triple battery of beam weapons on each 302 bay and on the nose. that would be cool

[Todd the prior]

The 304 class was designed in an era when Goa'uld motherships were the primary threat and naquada reactors were the bees knees in terms of power generators.

Everything added to it since that point will need to be made to work with the original design specs which will inevitably require trade offs. The biggest one I can think of is that during all this its never once been mentioned, as far as I recall, that the 304 class received a reactor upgrade.

Despite this though it somehow not only manages to power Asgard beams that can kill everything in 3 shots, but it does so while never experiencing a shortage of power for other systems like shields.

Contrast that to something like say, an Ori mothership, Aurora or Wraith hiveship, which has a reactor designed to meet the demands of its shields and energy weapons, or just weapons in the case of the hive, and which is built entirely using Ori/Wraith/Ancient technology. The 304 reactor on the other hand is built using a second hand human understanding of captured Goa'uld technology.

Despite this though the Aurora or hive ship can both be killed in a handful of shots by an Asgard beam powered by a reactor that was never intended to be used to power energy weapons in the first place.

So Earth can somehow make a ship with a knocked off Goa'uld reactor powering it, that was never even intended to power energy weapons, outperform two battleships from two of the most powerful races in Stargate. The Ancients, who's understanding of power generation technologies gave birth to the mighty ZPM, and the Wraith, the species that destroyed them despite that.



Size is relevant when you're comparing things like a typical stargate battleship from a similar tech level, since all stargate battleships have a lot of things in common that are directly comparable to one another. Nobody's changing the game by packing a tiny cargoship's hanger full of FTL capable anti ship missiles for example.

That's to say a big Goa'uld ship is going to have thicker shields and more firepower than a small one if they're both warships, because its larger size will allow for more weapon ports, bigger or more reactors, etc.

You can overcome this with more advanced technology, like say a small ancient ship could still overpower a larger Goa'uld one because even though it does have more generators/weapons etc all of them are of inferior quality to what's found on the ancient one.

This falls apart with the 304 though since the vast majority of it is representative of humanity's second try ever at a spaceship, with various reverse engineered alien techs bolted on as they became available.

It's a case where less advanced technology and small size somehow manages to be better than larger size and more advanced technology.

The 304 has certain parts that are pretty advanced. Like the various Asgard bolt ons, but everything connecting those parts together was just made in a hanger under the Nevada desert sometime in the early 2000s. It's like a flintstones car with a state of the art anti tank missile bolted on.

Globally that shouldn't all add up to something that goes through Auroras and Hives like a lawnmower goes through grass.

The design should have serious shortcomings and weaknesses but none of that is ever seen.

It's simply, faster, better protected, and carries more firepower than anything else out there (let alone anything else its own size) "just because".

First off the deduleses with beams cme around during the ori/wraith arks, far worse than then gou'ld.secondly, we did get a power core to add to the power generation to allow use of the beem wepons, so that argument is mute. also, anything important on the 304 is asgard, there are gou'ld crystals, anceints rings, and doors made by humans. so i you were talking about the 303 i agree, but your not.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

First off the deduleses with beams cme around during the ori/wraith arks, far worse than then gou'ld.secondly, we did get a power core to add to the power generation to allow use of the beem wepons, so that argument is mute. also, anything important on the 304 is asgard, there are gou'ld crystals, anceints rings, and doors made by humans. so i you were talking about the 303 i agree, but your not.

Actually the first 304 was launched towards the end of season 8 of SG1, so it would have been in an era when all we knew about was the Goauld.
TBH construction for the Daedalus could have begun in early season 7 of SG1, tbh it's design probably began upon completion of Prometheus, which would have been in mid season 6.

BTW you're making an assumption if you think the power source in the Asgard core is actually powering the Beam weapons.
The Asgard computer cores are computers, a standalone power source only has to power a computer which even though we're talking about a massively more powerful computer than anything man made could be infinitely more efficient than anything man made, so it's not likely that a massive boost on the level to penetrate advanced shields and destroy tough armor the size of a Hive, when a 304 is about a 10th of the size of one is a bit of a stretch to think that a computer power source could be that powerful.

TBH it's never actually been stated that the newer looking Asgard computer consoles on the other 304s besides Odyssey actually have an Asgard power source like Odyssey's Asgard legacy does, those computers could just be powered of the already present power source a 304 has and a few modifications to those generators could be what's allowing us to power the Plasma Beam Weapons or newer, more efficient systems could have replaced older ones to allow surpluss power to become available for the Beam weapons.

IMO the most likely possibility is we've developed more powerful generators that power the beam weapons.

[Ouroboros]

One way it can sort of make sense is if the 304 was designed around the idea of eventually being upgraded to mount some sort of plasma cannon derived from Goa'uld technology.

We know Earth was studying such weapons so the 304 class might have been designed with future upgrade space to mount generators for the weapons once they became available.

That could explain where they put them, if they even exist, which isn't indicated anywhere. It doesn't however explain the ridiculously over the top performance. There's no credible way to explain that that doesn't also imply that all the other species, including the Asgard most of all, would be simply to stupid to employ the same methods on their own ships. So we're back to innate Earth supremacy for no justifiable reason again.

Teaching aliens the best ways to employ their own technologies.