simple reason asgard ships are better than lantian ships

[umopapisdn]

Continue the argument on time dilation but i wanted to say something on topic.

Simple reason Asgard ships probably are not better than Lantian is because what the Ancient and the Asgard created in their past, with their best technologies put into a ship the Ancients would win without a doubt. If you gave each race to put their best on a ship and battle it out the ships may look like this:

Asgard Oneill
Beam weapons.
Time dilation.
Extra ion neutrino generator

Ancient Aurora
Pulse canons
Drones
Lagrange point satellite beam weapon (possibly two since it can be powered with a small power source)
Atlantis style shields
A ZPM.

Feel free to add as many Asgard only technologies to the Oniell but i highly doubt that it would prevail against what the Ancients could do.

Also the ancients had a dakara device, if they put one of them on a ship they could kill the inhabitants and take over the ship. The asgard would lose miserably, also all of the other weapons we've seen on SG1 and atlantis, imagine a working arcturus for power generation.

[JSPuddlejumper]

"Asgard Oneill
Beam weapons.
Time dilation.
Extra ion neutrino generator

Ancient Aurora
Pulse canons
Drones
Lagrange point satellite beam weapon (possibly two since it can be powered with a small power source)
Atlantis style shields
A ZPM."

Dakara device did not work against Adria's shield. So there are ways around it. The Ancients were too Nox like to use it. AoT only proved it again...

The Asgard did create a black hole...

LOL. BTW, Ancient NEVER had beam weapons on their warships, not a single one. LOL. Atlantis like shields? Do you think if the Ancients could do that, they would have, the Wraith war lasted many many years.

Beam weapons may not have been feasible on their ships: Drones, pulse cannons, shields being a power hog...And beam weapons being the most advanced ship weapons, they may not have time to create them.

Ancient pulse cannon's do virtually no damage to Asgard shields (as shown). Drones will do damage, but virtually nothing before the Aurora get's blased with the beams.


Lantean satellite took forever to charge.

The Asgard would win the war.

[Buba uognarf]

"Asgard Oneill
Beam weapons.
Time dilation.
Extra ion neutrino generator

Ancient Aurora
Pulse canons
Drones
Lagrange point satellite beam weapon (possibly two since it can be powered with a small power source)
Atlantis style shields
A ZPM."

Dakara device did not work against Adria's shield. So there are ways around it. The Ancients were too Nox like to use it. AoT only proved it again...

The Asgard did create a black hole...

LOL. BTW, Ancient NEVER had beam weapons on their warships, not a single one. LOL. Atlantis like shields? Do you think if the Ancients could do that, they would have, the Wraith war lasted many many years.

Beam weapons may not have been feasible on their ships: Drones, pulse cannons, shields being a power hog...And beam weapons being the most advanced ship weapons, they may not have time to create them.

Ancient pulse cannon's do virtually no damage to Asgard shields (as shown). Drones will do damage, but virtually nothing before the Aurora get's blased with the beams.


Lantean satellite took forever to charge.

The Asgard would win the war.

The Asgard can collapse a sun into a blackhole they can't use that as a weapon.

The dakara weapon went through the replicator enhanced shields which are probably at least as advanced as the Asgard shields as they had Asgard knowledge. So it is quite likely it would go through the Asgard shields.

The satellite beam weapon was the same size as a Goa'uld mothership, it wouldn't be hard for the Ancients to take out all the extra stuff and use just the weapon on their ships. We've never seen the Asgard with anything but pulse weapons on their ships too. With a ZPM powering all the above ancient technologies would be a doddle as ZPMs are vastly superior to anything the Asgard have.

The pulse weapons were doing large damage to our ships in BAMSR e.g. our shields can't take much more So the pulse weapons are effective. Assuming all the best tech from both races was present the Asgard would be owned, the beams wouldn't be able to penetrate ZPM power shields before thousands of drones ripped it apart.

How did the satellite take ages to charge? And even if it did with a far superior power source the charge time would drop dramatically. Hell the Asurans could build a beam able to fire non stop and that could fire through a stargate.

[JSPuddlejumper]

I am batting a 100% so far about what the Asgard tech would to the Aurora's far before BAMSR'd. As I said previously many times: The Asgard upgraded Daedalus class battleships OWN'd Aurora's, and they will again and again. This is without Asgard generator or ZPM to max out their shields!

Beams on Auora's, Atlantis like shields? LOL. Techno possibilities (both very highly unlikely for the Ancients). The Asgard already have the beams, and in AoT, it showed that the Asgard were far closer to Atlantis like city shields on their regular ships than the Ancients ever were.

BAMSR'd proved to most that the Asgard would have owned the Ancients in war.

The Ancient's were good at one thing: RETREAT, hide, do nothing. AoT proved it again. Ancients are closer to Nox in that sense.

Creating a black holes cannot be used as a weapon? LOL. Can you imagine the insane damage and destruction a black hole would do to a solar system and surrending systems??? Complete devastating in a short amount of time.

The Asgard could make any sun become a black hole.

Lantean satellite did take forever to charge (like the Ori satellite). I do not think a 'proper' powersource would make that much of a difference, it is how the weapon was constructed. Asuran's had nearly infinite ZPM's, and could create things far far faster than the Ancients or any biological being could ever do...and they were taken out pretty easily as well (like the Ancients).

[Buba uognarf]

I am batting a 100% so far about what the Asgard tech would to the Aurora's far before BAMSR'd. As I said previously many times: The Asgard upgraded Daedalus class battleships OWN'd Aurora's, and they will again and again. This is without Asgard generator or ZPM to max out their shields!

Well the Aurora's didn't have ZPMs either so that's a moot point. They can own Asuran aurora's who aren't firing bucket loads of drones. And the Ancients could build better ships. You have so far done nothing to prove the technical marvels of the Ancients that own the Asgard in every respect couldn't be put on a ship.

Beams on Auora's, Atlantis like shields? LOL. Techno possibilities (both very highly unlikely for the Ancients). The Asgard already have the beams, and in AoT, it showed that the Asgard were far closer to Atlantis like city shields on their regular ships than the Ancients ever were.

We've never seen Aurora shields powered with a ZPM so you have no leg to stand on. And we have no idea that the Aurora is even their most powerful ship. Hell the Asurans made an impenetrable satellite which was also relatively tiny. Atlantis like shields are unlikely, beams are not. They could fit on the ships.

BAMSR'd proved to most that the Asgard would have owned the Ancients in war.

The Ancient's were good at one thing: RETREAT, hide, do nothing. AoT proved it again. Ancients are closer to Nox in that sense.

How did it prove the Asgard would have owned the Ancients? The Ancients at their peak would have ripped the Asgard apart. They were originally beating the Wraith after they started losing they through bigger and better ships at the Wraith but couldn't overcome the overwhelming numbers. You have such a bias opinion. Try to be more open instead of chatting crap about the Asgard all day.

Creating a black holes cannot be used as a weapon? LOL. Can you imagine the insane damage and destruction a black hole would do to a solar system and surrending systems??? Complete devastating in a short amount of time.

That can't be used directly against a ship though can it? Use your head. So yes the Asgards ability to collapse stars into black holes won't help them in a fight with the Ancients.

The Asgard could make any sun become a black hole.

So? The Ancients probably could as well.

Lantean satellite did take forever to charge (like the Ori satellite). I do not think a 'proper' powersource would make that much of a difference, it is how the weapon was constructed. Asuran's had nearly infinite ZPM's, and could create things far far faster than the Ancients or any biological being could ever do...and they were taken out pretty easily as well (like the Ancients).

It didn't take forever to charge. Almost straight after the first hive was destroyed, Mckay was asking why Grodin hadn't fire again. A better powersource would obviously help! It would be able to supply more energy faster so the buffer could fill faster. Why would they design a slow firing weapon? They weren't taken out easily. All ships involved in the battle were taking heavy damage another minute and we probably would have been wiped out.

[Blitzwing]

How did the satellite take ages to charge? And even if it did with a far superior power source the charge time would drop dramatically. Hell the Asurans could build a beam able to fire non stop and that could fire through a stargate.

The satellite weapon had a power source and capacitor. The capacitor would build up charge and when it reached a certain amount, it would discharge the full amount through an emitter in the form of the beam weapon. It did take time charge as was seen in "The Siege" and said in "Trinity."

The ZPM's weren't enough to overcome this, which is why the Ancients came up with "Project Arcturus." They bypassed the capacitor and connected the new powersource directly to the weapon. The new powersource was capable of delivering enough raw power to the weapon without having to build up charge. Operating at 50% Arcturus could deliver the power of a dozen ZPM's according to McKay. But given that the project was a failure, the Ancients were unable to produce a power source that could eliminate the charge time for their beam weapons.

[Buba uognarf]

The satellite weapon had a power source and capacitor. The capacitor would build up charge and when it reached a certain amount, it would discharge the full amount through an emitter in the form of the beam weapon. It did take time charge as was seen in "The Siege" and said in "Trinity."

The ZPM's weren't enough to overcome this, which is why the Ancients came up with "Project Arcturus." They bypassed the capacitor and connected the new powersource directly to the weapon. The new powersource was capable of delivering enough raw power to the weapon without having to build up charge. Operating at 50% Arcturus could deliver the power of a dozen ZPM's according to McKay. But given that the project was a failure, the Ancients were unable to produce a power source that could eliminate the charge time for their beam weapons.

I never said the firing would be instantaneous. But with a ZPM it would be a lot less.

[JSPuddlejumper]

Aurora's were destroyed with 2 shots in BAMSR'd. We are ASSUMING that the Asuran Aurora's did not have ZPM's...Big assumption considering that the Asurans had sooo many ZPM's.

2 Asgard beams can be fired simultaneously, as shown in BAMSR'd=1 second time in total (real time).

Even if miraculously the Ancients equipped their ships with Lantean satellite beam weapons in time to fight the Asgard (obviously much smaller scale, Lantean satellite was Ha'tak size weapon!, and much less powerful)...HTF are they going to better than Asgard beams? Do get real.

And Asgard shields would be far more powerful than Lantean warships. White colored shields = most powerful.

I do not see how the Ancients could win a war against the Asgard. Ancients far less warlike, far less ability in war (far behind humans, behind Asgard, hell approaching Nox levels), AND the Asgard had better warship tech.

Some of you are letting your Ancient bias (thinking them the best in every area and field imaginable cloud your judgement). If the Ancients were as good and as poweful as suggested by some, they would have so so easily destroyed the Wraith. The Wraith are a far weaker enemy than the MW Replicators whom the Asgard fought for decades.

[Lord batchi ball]

Well the Ancients are more war like than the Asgard. The asgard have smaller egos and are willing to accept that they made a mistake where the Ancients are have such big egos they can't possibilty accept failure that is why they are so bad in war.

[Buba uognarf]

Aurora's were destroyed with 2 shots in BAMSR'd. We are ASSUMING that the Asuran Aurora's did not have ZPM's...Big assumption considering that the Asurans had sooo many ZPM's.

2 shots when the Aurora has no shields. If the Aurora's had ZPMs the Wraith or we would have taken them from the ships.

Even if miraculously the Ancients equipped their ships with Lantean satellite beam weapons in time to fight the Asgard (obviously much smaller scale, Lantean satellite was Ha'tak size weapon!, and much less powerful)...HTF are they going to better than Asgard beams? Do get real.

Not really miraculous tbh. The Asgard didn't have beam weapons on their ships either so they'd have to refit their fleet as well. Aurora's are well over a kilometer long they could easily build a ship to incorparate a satellite weapon. You get real the satellite weapon cut through a hive ship in seconds and looked like it had power to go through another one. It would cut through anything the Asgard could build.

And Asgard shields would be far more powerful than Lantean warships. White colored shields = most powerful.

Asgard don't have white shields. And thats a theory and not fact. You're whole argument is flawed tbh.

I do not see how the Ancients could win a war against the Asgard. Ancients far less warlike, far less ability in war (far behind humans, behind Asgard, hell approaching Nox levels), AND the Asgard had better warship tech.

How are they less war like and how did they have less ability? Your argument is based on your opinion which you think is fact. The ancients have much better tech overall and if they applied it to a ship they would own the Asgard. The Aurora as it stands without a ZPM is no match for the best ship the Asgard could create, but the Ancients could build a better ship. Even without adding beams a drone silo like the one on Earth is easily enough with a ZPM shield to pulverize any Asgard ship.

Some of you are letting your Ancient bias (thinking them the best in every area and field imaginable cloud your judgement).

Thats rich coming from you. Ancient military technology is better. Their beams are stronger, power sources are better which could very easily = better shields. They're just better than the Asgard.

[JSPuddlejumper]

As I said, most are all assuming now that the Asuran Aurora's had no ZPM's...considering that the Asurans had nearly infinite ZPM's to begin with, this is a BIG IF assumption.


The Ancients are better than the Asgard in on area: Retreating.

1 km? So what?

Are you going to fit a 700 meter weapon into a 1 km ship???????????? Did you see freaking dimensions of the satellite???

LOL!!! Roflmao! If they could, they Ancients would have done it.


Refitting a fleet with Asgard weapons is so easy, would take less than 1 week for the Asgard. Far far faster than the time it would take for the Ancients to research, build, and equip their ships with beam weapons.

White color shields = 304's have, watch Flesh and Blood (Asgard ship). Some of you must be color blind.

Asgard beams cuts through shields like no other. Ancient warship ship shields are far inferior, one can only take inferior tech so far (with ZPM). With ZPM, 2-3 shots with the beams will take it out (Ori ship shields taken out in 5-6 shots).

Like I said, the Asgard would own the Ancients.

[Buba uognarf]

As I said, most are all assuming now that the Asuran Aurora's had no ZPM's...considering that the Asurans had nearly infinite ZPM's to begin with, this is a BIG IF assumption.

Who says they have nearly infinite ZPMs? Source? Quote? Do you have anything other than speculation?

The Ancients are better than the Asgard in on area: Retreating.

Evidence? Because actually the Ancients seem to be better than the Asgard at practically everything.

1 km? So what?

Are you going to fit a 700 meter weapon into a 1 km ship???????????? Did you see freaking dimensions of the satellite???

LOL!!! Roflmao! If they could, they Ancients would have done it.

There was more to the satellite than just the weapon. Stripping down the non essentials which would already be present on the ship and it would likely fit onto an Ancient ship. If you want to be pedantic make it a 2000m ship similar in size to an Oneill so it can easily fit and at it's standard size.

How do you know the Ancients didn't do it? They built bigger and powerful ships to combat the Wraith, it's quite likely one of them had beam weapons even if it was one of a kind and a proto type.

It makes you look very arrogent when you put LOL!!! Rolflmao! All the time btw.

Refitting a fleet with Asgard weapons is so easy, would take less than 1 week for the Asgard. Far far faster than the time it would take for the Ancients to research, build, and equip their ships with beam weapons.

Speculation pure and simple. The ancients have the technology already, why would it take them any more time to add it to their ships.

White color shields = 304's have, watch Flesh and Blood (Asgard ship). Some of you must be color blind.

Screen cap thanks. SFX change all the time. The majority of times Asgard shields are blue. Deal with it. And anyway blue shields, white shields, yellow shields doesn't mean anything.

Asgard beams cuts through shields like no other. Ancient warship ship shields are far inferior, one can only take inferior tech so far (with ZPM). With ZPM, 2-3 shots with the beams will take it out (Ori ship shields taken out in 5-6 shots).

Evidence for this? Besides speculation.

Like I said, the Asgard would own the Ancients.

LOL!!! Roflmao You've said that many times and I hate to tell you this but your not God and word from your mouth is not fact. Saying it doesn't make it true.

Even if we ignore the ancient beam canons a ship with a ZPM for shields and a large drone silo like the outposts would eat an entire fleet of Asgard ships.

[John Caldwell]

Here's a few points you guys haven't realized:

1: The asgard had 10,000 more years than the ancients to develop technologies. Do you think comparing an earth "tribe" of 10,000 years ago to any real world contry of today is fair? No? Hmm...

2: The Asgard designed their shields and weapons specifically to counter the Ori and Asurian threat. The Ancients would have had no reason to design their weapons to be effective against any of the other races party to the great alliance, therefore their weapons would not be particularly effective against the Asgard technologies.

The argument may arise that "well, if weapons/shields could be tailored to fight certain types of enemies, why didn't the Asgard PWN the replicators?" Obviously, first off the replicators are great at adapting, even more so than the Asurians. Their ships were made of replicator blocks/nanites, so they could reconfigure absolutely any part of the ship at any given moment to suit new circumstances. As had been stated, the Asurians ships were conventional, and it would obviously take much longer to adapt the shields/weapons. So even if the Asgard could come up with conventional weapons capable of defeating the replicators at any given moment, they could change themselves and their ships to counter it very quickly.

I also might add that it was Jack O'Neil, with the database downloaded into himm, that designed the original anti-replicator weapon. The Asgard hadn't been able to come up with THAT before, now had they?

[Buba uognarf]

Here's a few points you guys haven't realized:

1: The asgard had 10,000 more years than the ancients to develop technologies. Do you think comparing an earth "tribe" of 10,000 years ago to any real world contry of today is fair? No? Hmm...

2: The Asgard designed their shields and weapons specifically to counter the Ori and Asurian threat. The Ancients would have had no reason to design their weapons to be effective against any of the other races party to the great alliance, therefore their weapons would not be particularly effective against the Asgard technologies.

The argument may arise that "well, if weapons/shields could be tailored to fight certain types of enemies, why didn't the Asgard PWN the replicators?" Obviously, first off the replicators are great at adapting, even more so than the Asurians. Their ships were made of replicator blocks/nanites, so they could reconfigure absolutely any part of the ship at any given moment to suit new circumstances. As had been stated, the Asurians ships were conventional, and it would obviously take much longer to adapt the shields/weapons. So even if the Asgard could come up with conventional weapons capable of defeating the replicators at any given moment, they could change themselves and their ships to counter it very quickly.

I also might add that it was Jack O'Neil, with the database downloaded into himm, that designed the original anti-replicator weapon. The Asgard hadn't been able to come up with THAT before, now had they?

Here's a tip dude, don't call a bunch of forum members thick heads on your first post. I can see you edited your post but I did see what you wrote. But anyway we'll forget that...

1. On point 1. The Ancients are millions of years older than the Asgard. So the extra 10,000 years for the Asgard would be spent trying to catch up. Which they have done a good job of but they're aren't there yet.

2. We have no evidence that the Asgard weapons or any weapons can be adapted to specific shields. It's possible seeing as the replicators had to adapt somehow but regardless Ancient weapons are effective on Asgard ships and vice versa.

Your point about specific weaponary would only work if the weapons didn't rely on raw power.

[!!??]

As I said, most are all assuming now that the Asuran Aurora's had no ZPM's...considering that the Asurans had nearly infinite ZPM's to begin with, this is a BIG IF assumption.


The Ancients are better than the Asgard in on area: Retreating.

1 km? So what?

Are you going to fit a 700 meter weapon into a 1 km ship???????????? Did you see freaking dimensions of the satellite???

LOL!!! Roflmao! If they could, they Ancients would have done it.


Refitting a fleet with Asgard weapons is so easy, would take less than 1 week for the Asgard. Far far faster than the time it would take for the Ancients to research, build, and equip their ships with beam weapons.

White color shields = 304's have, watch Flesh and Blood (Asgard ship). Some of you must be color blind.

Asgard beams cuts through shields like no other. Ancient warship ship shields are far inferior, one can only take inferior tech so far (with ZPM). With ZPM, 2-3 shots with the beams will take it out (Ori ship shields taken out in 5-6 shots).

Like I said, the Asgard would own the Ancients.

Omg just because a weapon is a certain color doesn't mean that it is stronger. Where did you get this idea from. Actually white isn't a color so even if we were color blind we would still see white. I don't feel like counter replying to the other things because i know somebody else will and you would just call me ancient bias.